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2007-01-10T08:20:21Z

213.33.137.138: /* Feedback for the Seventh Ladle */

{{Ladle-7}}

Please write your comments below about your experience of the event. You can also add comments about how it could be better... This information may be useful for anyone who tries to do such a thing again... We have to discuss stuff so that decisions made...

== Feedback for the Seventh Ladle ==
;Legit
: For starters, that was the worst ladle ive ever played. We organized a team and then when we played all positions etc... were all fucked up and hyphy i asked him to lay off def cus hes always too close and he still does it and fucked def once again. And as for redice little oops noob tking our whole team, at least 5 players in one round! And was unfair for that and also because the admin wasnt very good at locking a server cause some noob joined our team and fucked our whole team up as well. all this i will probably not play for TM anymore. And as for the finals was pretty good match to watch but tui was definantly the better team as watching how SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone. It was also funny when SP members would tell tui people to stfu and talk shit to them when they won but was also funny when pysko got all mad when someone got in his def and said it was a bullshit win for tui, next ladle should be handled better then this one.

;2020
: I forgot I was meant to be harsher with team entry. Most of us gathered and got the team organised. Then we started our game again TuI, and hyph refused to stay in midfield and got involved with def. I tried to tighten us up as a team, and for the first time issued a threat... which didn't go well with some members of the team who weren't aware of the havoc at the back. We lost the first match. And in the second, new players entered the server, a player using a familiar team name team-killed, and wrtl was constantly asked to admin the game -- and he was our defender! I didn't get into any kind of groove, played like a noob. What a mess.
:No idea what to do. I try to make it as clear as possible on the challenge board, and people seem confused about when it starts etc. I canjust about handle that, but not try to organise a team as well. I just want to play in a good game!!!!!!!!
;[[User:Durka|Durka]]
:The organization was a bit spectacle this time because of the games being delayed by 45 minutes. Otherwise everything went smoothly.

:About the finals, I didn't really care that it was 6 on 8 and they had a 2 man advantage, but what really pissed me off, was that it was 1-1 and in the 3rd match while the score was 76-70 their lead, the winzone popped up. We even had a one man advantage I belive at that point. They took the winzone and that boosted the score to 86-70. We could have easily won that match. Then, to top it off, they holed me (I was def) and went in and got the zone (using their 2 man advantage made it quite impossible to stop them while in the zone). Them winning that match completely turns around the entire finals. Instead of being 2-1 us, its 2-1 them. Then, in the 4th match, it was definately getting close, and it was 96-88 in the final round, and for the 10th time in the finals, I got holed by ~*SP*~ and they took the match.

:My point I'm trying to make is that:
:*There should be no winzone what so ever
:*I know we've talked about this before, but as long as a team gets at least 5 or 6 players there, the other team should at least cut 1 person. I'm fine with a one-man advantage & I'm also fine with a two-man advantage, or even 3, but if they use those extra men to hole the defense 10 times throughout 4 matches, then that (in my mind) is a bit unfair.

;'''Rico'''
:I dont mind doing it in a reg game, but in a serious tourney, when I'm trying to def against 4 attackers, I dont take kindly to the rest of the opposing team spamming me with messages to put me off. I'd have ignored them, but when theres so much spam it takes up half your screen and you have to play with only 10 fps anyway, it kinda pissed me off.

:Not that I was playing well anyway as it happens, but when I'm subject to "omg, our def sucks, alex you made us lose" etc etc criticism from my OWN TEAM because I was being distracted multiple ways... I do happen to get annoyed.

:Whatever, I'll still be taking part in some events in the future. Just remind me to silence the WHOLE of the opposition.

;AshitakA
:I just want to admit that it wasn’t redice, who played at the end. He abused his name like 2020 already said. What a bummer! He hadn’t the courage to make it with his own name. Anyway, for the next ladle I want to mention the idea to let teams also play for the 3rd and 4th or 5th and 6th place. It wouldn’t take much more time, because they play at the same time as the final would be. At the moment there are enough fort server online to realise this idea. Maybe you can include it into the ladle system.

;k3nNy
:Sp had a good setup, a good team with good team organisation. i think it is sad that no one here can gratulate sp for winning the ladle but instead some of you are searching for excuses why sp shouldnt have won the ladle. first: legit. hey dude, you say sp wasnt good as tui? i think thats kinda odd when you watch the field domination sp had during the finals. sp played with 2-3 defensive players and they didnt have much to do. sp was playing with 5 offensive players. so if you count those 5 offensive players + the defensive tui players you get quite much players dont u? so isnt it then a logical outcome that there is a quite high percentage for the defence of being holed by a dying player? so legit, tell me 1 person who wouldnt use a hole in the finals of the ladle. "SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone" --> this sounds for me that u accuse sp for holling on purpuse, which wasnt at all.
:well then about the winzone... first of all: as always i think it should be disabled too.
:then to the situation: durka, it was a 2 on 2 situation, 1 sp attacking against 2 doubledefending tuis (which made it impossible for the attacker to do sth), 1 sp staying in the back in case the attacker dies. how long did that situation last? how long could it have been lasting. well i was the one in the back, probably grinding myself for the 30st time in a row, waiting for sth to happen. first i thought aw dam winzone wth are you doin here. then i thought what the heck. so i think the first time i took a winzone because i was gettin that bored back in there! i just wanted that round to be over, i didnt care if tui would have taken it.
:oh and back to legit again: sp members well telling tui members to shut up because they were whining non stop. its a ladle final, so please be a man, play it and loose it or win it. congratulations sps!
:btw. exept i think the winzone should be disabled by default, i think this ladle was fine as usual.

;Legit
:LoL kenny, fine speech but TUI is definantly were better players. Just by knowing some of the members in tui and i dont even know most of them and i knew all SP that were playing TUI has definantly better team. Who did you have? Pysko and Sasha and uhh who else...? LoL anyways, if you were so bored of the ladle match and wanted to get the winzone then why the fuck are you playing in the ladle if its boring?!?! You had a player HellBlade who didnt even get to play and wanted to and you sat there being bored playin it when someone else in your clan could had actually enjoyed it? Your excuses are lame and you know you were afraid sp was going to loose cause TUI was a better team that why you really got the winzone.

;fr34ky
:LoL Legit, nice offenses but SP just won with all allowed methods, using no cheats. Holes were allowed, so we used them...a Winzone was there too, k3nNy used it and i agree with him! At first...it's really boring back there, and you know why it was boring? - No, not because Ladle is so boring, it was because no TuI attacked us...and why didnt they attack us? Hmmm, i think you know the answer. Oh and k3nNy had no chance to see any TuI not using the winzone...so he couldnt know TuI didnt want to use it. Congratulations Speeders, nice Ladle for us and certainly many other Players (except you Legit :->)
:greets, fr34ky

;k3nNy
:you must have been in another match legit, because i didnt have one single time the feeling tui was going to win. they had a good comeback to 1-1 but that was it. sp was the best team yesterday, because they acted like a team. good teamplay etc. made us strong. we didnt care about "players" like you do. everyone had their job, and everyone did it great. the reason why hellblade couldnt play is because he is an offensive player too, and we were already playing with 5 offensive players with psyko and me in defence (and obli), though we are normally both offensive players too. still i wont force anyone in a good playing team to sit out.
:and to you legit, please stop your whining and complaining all the time. that prejudiced whining of you is goin on my nerves. if you loose you loose, then stand to it. maybe you will win next time again, who knows. but stop that prejeduce stuff like: oh sp used holes, they certainly did that on purpurse. oh k3nny said he got bored that round, in that case he certainly thought the whole ladle was boring ?!? if you dont get it dude, go and watch the replay of that round, maybe in 10 years you will understand it when ur mature enough.

;'''Rico'''
:Funny that no-one has replied to my comment about the purposeful distractions. Of course it doesn't matter, as all of you would deny it anyway.

:Anyway, grats, even though winzoning is the lamest way to win ever, just an unparallelled level of chicken-ness. And ok, holing is fine, but when its like 5 on 1 and someone holes on purpose, thats annoying. As a defender, I have to deal with it all the time.

:Thats my piece, any comments about the purposeful distractions would be much appreciated. Thanks

;PsYkO
:How about a "congratz"?

;madmax
:First of all, congratz. I pretty much know nothing more about what happened so...
:The main thing I see is that always playing a knockout competition is not a good thing. It gets too... usual. I think some kind of championship competition and making the ladles more spaced (two/threee months maybe more?) would be a nice idea.
:I think in a knockout system it sure proves who was the best team then, but hey, what if a team who lost one game would win against all other teams? What if they were having a bad day? Having a championship (point based) would be IMHO a good idea. Perhaps that whole thought of "Kings Of the Grid"... After all, theres already a domain :)
:Also, it would benefit teams that consistently make good games, not only "that day" with "that conditions" with "..."
;Speed
Legit will you ever stop complaining and whining o they holed o they did this o is that a 2 yr old i hear talking legit because it sures sounds like one...
Legit also who are you to say people suck whenever i see you in a game its lag killed me omg i just slipped or someother bs excuse i have never seen you once do a spectacular move to win a match, now you slag of redice out of oops is that because they rejected you when you tryed joining them hmmm i wonder.
Save your complaints for people who care and btw when your good then i think you may have a leg to stand on atm you got a damn toothbrush.

;Rico
:Read my post before psyko, i did say grats ;)

;Omega
ROFL TUI
The first round we won where it was a 4 on 2. 1 attacker died and made a hole and the other attackers didnt go through. But instead waited till they had dumped the sweeper into his won def, and then went through that hole, you where even then calling us holers etc. You guys where making excuses every round.......

Durka 76-70 so what, whose to say you would have won. Statistically accounting for the match ending 3-1, you would have lost. I remember the 2 ladles ago the 5th which TM won i remember final match we were down 70-92 and we still won, so saying we would have easily won etc is nonsense as anything can happen. This reminds me of WPN etc, you guys are both like immature little children who cant take losing at all.
And @alex who was spamming you, tell me and ill sort em out.
:;Durka
::Are you kidding me? The winzone is a 20 point spin. 10 points for you guys which made it 86-70. It could have been 80-76. Then again, I would have liked to see you guys beat us that round considering the fact that thru 6 matches in the Ladle, I only got pwnd twice, & the 2 people that got by me from SP had already died. I'm not being cocky, but I always like a challenge and that would have been fun.
::Forgetting all of this, I know it was our fault, but look what kenny said above. They had 5 people attacking. Well, we only had 6 players total (again, this was our fault). So, you expect us to play agressive being 2 men down each round. That's similar to having like a 4 on 2 and having the team with 2 be on the attack. It makes no sense. When we played you guys in the last ladle and beat you guys, all you said was, well we didn't have Psyko or Whatup. Yes, Psyko & Whatup helped you a lot this ladle, but if we had brought 2 more players, then it would have gotten interesting and we would have been more on the attack. We look forward to rematching you guys, but with a full team this time. O, and how about the thought of playing in a US server? I'd like to see Viper, Cyclo, Kenny, Sasha, & Omega with pings like what I usually get :)
;k3nNy
:i think that round of the winzone stuff wasnt that match deciding. it was more important who was goin to win the round after that one. you could have equalized to about 90-86 or if it would have been the otherway round we could have gone from 80-76 to about 92-86. still, i hope we wont have that situation in future again. in case the zone doesnt get turned off, teams could tell before the matches each other they wont use it, then it should be np too.
:its true our field domination was partially that high because of the higher number of players. still the rules of the ladle arent very strict, so it should be no problem for a team to get it full actually. thats why i am against cutting players in the ladle if the other team hasnt enough. make sure you have 9-10 and it should be no problem.
:about that whatup and psyko & last ladle stuff. we didnt loose the last ladle because they werent here. we lost it because the organisation was bad & the setup was totally wrong. this ladle we played the semis against x. and they were strong i can tell u. they filled their team with players like pavelo. psyko didnt even play yet & whatup took cyclos place because he didnt show up either. in case whatup also wouldnt have been there we still had a great center attacker in hellblade. so, we won it 2-0 then. then to the finals: psyko got a spot in the team & got defender. but as we had 5 attackers and your team was (forced) playing defensive, we didnt have had much to do back there. so psyko wasnt very much involved. so i can tell u: we didnt win because whatup was playing & later psyko too, but because the teamplay etc. was great. thats far more important. i dont c team somethingsomething win because of 1 or 2 players either. they won because they were a great team. and i also dont c pings deciding the matches. btw those 2 players who made the difference in your opinion were "highpingers" from us too. :)
:well i look forward to the next ladle & playing against tui again. i hope in a balanced 8 vs 8 and on either zmans or wrtl, just simply because those 2 servers are the ones who dont go nuts when there are 20+ players on it :) (16 playing + spec & exchange players).

;Legit
: Oh kenny dont give me that bs that i didnt see what was goin on, i was in spectator mode the whole time watching around. Im not even in the tui match so what are you sayin i loose sum i loose sum? Kno whats going on first before you open that little minded mouth of yours. And as for speed, you obviously dont play fortress much as looking at how you play or know how i play. And as to what durka says is 100% tru and woudl be even be a harder match vs them if it were in a US server. Congrats to TUI on doin what ya did. Theres the congrats from me.

;PsYkO
: Thx max and rico

;k3nNy
: i think you played for tm legit? and i think tm lost the semis? btw i didnt open my mouth 1 single time while i was writing this. i can imagine you writing with your mouth wide open though xD. well back to the topic: as long as there is no us server which doesnt go nuts with 20+ players, there will no finals be played there i think. i c no reason to do that. same for 2020 server, that one goes nuts too with too many players, well the finals arent played there either are they. i can remember the finals of the 5th ladle, which even were moved after start from 2020 to zmans? btw the ping doesnt make a that huge difference as you guys are acting it does.

;Legit
: I never complained about my match about loosing, ive been talking about the tui vs sp match. You know dam well you needed the winzone and them holes or you wouldnt have survived that close of a game maybe 100-50 if your lucky but in a US server would be even worse for you cause of course european servers get overruled all the time cause SOME european people like you bitch about how laggy it always is for you in our servers and dont ever think about the fact how it is for us in your servers and deal with it all the time so now you can think of how the score would have been for tui in a us server then in a european server even when they made it a close enuff game in euro server xD .

;[[User:Sasha|Sasha]]
: Wow! WTF R U talking about? Lets see who will win the next one: Ladle 8! About holing: for me its a part of the _classic_fortress_ game (see server settings and shut up or tell something to server admin). About win-zone: the same answer. My opinion: holes can be used and winzone must be used (of course its fun for those who are playing, but not for the others who are just sitting and watching fuckin stupid square defense and attackers doing nothing).
: Specially for those who sad "holing is for n000bz, winzone is guyzone" I want to say: "Then n00bz own you! HA-HA-HA!" ;)
: Ok, after all I sad, I want to say that I also think that we won doubly/foul (dunno english well, choice the right word).
: To team X: Great game, good team, I want to face you again.
: To TuI: It was fun to play with "numbers" :) I also want to meet you on grid again.
: To Legit: shut up sometimes :)
: To Durka: test
: To 2020: organize something like madmax sad, please.

;MaZuffeR
:Interesting to see that you guys really take this so seriously, it's just a game :). I just watched some parts of the final. TuI didn't adapt to SP using pretty much every possible hole. The sweepers should have played much closer to the zone, so that they could cover the hole, or atleast go through the hole right after the attacker. The times I saw an attacker going through a hole, there was no sweeper close to him. And Durka, if you don't want holes in your wall, don't kill the attackers at every chance you get, let the sweepers take care of them (yes, I'm serious).

;fr34ky
:Hmrpf, let's cound the US Players/EU Players and guess why we play on european servers. Sure you can manage an US Ladle, but without me and certainly many other EU Players. I also hate high pings (yeah it's also not easy for a low-pinger to kill an US-High-pinger) but can you manage a flying server or one in the ocean?

;Rico
:LOL at a flying server xD

;Omega
whered that msn convo go?
And lol we arent allowed to use our own players in a competition, yes whatup and psyko did alot but we beat x without psyko, and they have a lot of good players. Stop with the excuses you lost to a better team on the day end of! Maz is right as usual. Sweepers have to stick close If you saw a hole in opponents def in the ladle you wouldnt go through. If u say no i wouldnt ud be chatting shit, Durka and legit use holes in normal play let alone the ladle. I can imagine how many people are at the moment laffing at you 2 crying over a defeat cos your opponents used strats that have been delibrately left in the game to use lol, especially when you use 1 of these strats in normal gameplay. And legit what the hell is your problem are you even in TUI? You already have a terrible rep in tron after those comments you made.

;k3nNy
:well, as some partially blame their ping (see the finals) for loosing, i went through zmans stats and compared the finals with the x-sp semifinals. well here some stats first:

:match 1 Tui vs Sp:
:Tui: 6 players, average 176 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 99 ping

: match 2 Tui vs Sp:
:Tui: 7 players, average 172 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 114 ping

: match 3 Tui vs Sp:
:Tui: 7 players, average 164 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 155 ping

: match 4 Tui vs Sp:
:Tui: 6 players, average 143 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 110 ping
:Total averages: Tui: 163, Sp: 120 // diff: 43
:(the outcome in a row: sp-tui: 1-0 1-1 2-1 3-1)

: match 1 x vs sp:
:X: 8 players, average 77 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 110 ping

: match 2 x vs sp:
:X: 8 players, average 80 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 108 ping
:Total averages: X: 79, Sp: 109 // diff: 30
:(the outcome in a row: x-sp: 0-1 0-2)

:the finals compared with the semis show quite good that the ping is not "that" important.
:the top 5 rankings even show it more. only 1 time out of 6 matches an european player was on top.
:of course if your ping is higher then like 220 you will get problems. and someone with a 40 ping will have a slight advantage against someone with 200.
:(see: http://www.thp.uni-koeln.de/~moos/tronstats/ladle7/ by zman)
:btw my ping wasnt very good that day durka :) from ~150 in the afternoon till finally ~60 in the late evening. Actually most of the time only viper (and me in the last match) had "good" pings around 50-60.

;JJBean
:Wow i really love how the 'feedback' page turned into lets bitch about how we lost and how they cheated..... Lets also talk about how no one likes SP and doesn't like to see jerks win. Yes I am calling you jerks because all you guys do is gloat about how 'good' you are. I left after we lost that final match because i knew all we were going to here was how 'good' you guys are. Lets have a rematch before the 8th ladle ON AND AMERICAN SERVER and see who wins. <=== You will most likely say fuck that because you know you cannot beat us when we will have an average ping lower than yours. As for the holing and the winzone, Holes yea who gives a fuck, I know we are going to hole the fuck out of you next time we play you, but WINZONE come on. I could have taken it three times that round but i just zoomed around waiting for your attacker to actually do somthing, which he never did, well atleast before '''she''' took the winzone. You won't get a gratz from me all you will get is a WD for beating us and a GL for the future....

;[[User:Sasha|Sasha]]
: Note that Durka has forgotten that he himself took the winzone in the 6th ladle. JJBean, hi! :)

;k3nNy
:that is arranged. you give that american server, we give date and time...

;fr34ky
:Speeders, you read, what she said and i want to say, taht i'm really sad you don't like me JJBean.
:[...]
:But i think it would be also fun for us, too see you guys on your American-Lowping-Server, beating our 500-Ping-Double-Defense with holing :). Please tell us before if holing will be possible and if there is a winzone.

;Speed
JJbean or mgt or whoever you wanna be called we didnt brag once we got shit from tui as soon as we won it was oh you holers blah blah blah i didnt actually here 1 of us gloat, like you dont say ~|DS|~ on top and all that crap hmm gloating yes or no sodont start saying crap how we gloat when all what happens is noobs who cant take losing proerly complain.

;Omega
:oh look what i found legit
:[22] Gothica --> Legit: in console set ping_charity 999999999
:[13] Legit --> Gothica: yeah
:[3] ~*HeLlBlAdE*~: lol
:[5] ~*SP*~Sp33d: nerd leavbe
:[19] ~*SP*~viper~: am i 2 or 3 ?
:[1] ~*SP*~oO.k3nNy: 3 xD
:[19] ~*SP*~viper~: ok
:[3] ~*HeLlBlAdE*~: 3
:[14] ~*SP*~Sasha --> Teammates: ~*WhAtUp*~, Now my place is 4th
:[22] Gothica --> Legit: give them extra lag
:[22] Gothica: lol
:[13] Legit --> Gothica: do it when sp is attacking cus i hate htem
:[22] Gothica --> Legit: just set it now, it lasts till u change it back to 100
:[13] Legit --> Gothica: just set it when sp is attacking
:[22] Gothica --> Legit: if u set it on, it stays on untill u change it
:[13] Legit --> Gothica: so yeah only do it when sp attacks
:[13] Legit --> Gothica: so tui dosnt get it
:[22] Gothica --> Legit: nopw
:[0] ~*SP*~ 4 core dumped TuI ~ 7 for 2 points.
:[4] TuI~4 --> Teammates: HELP DEF! HELP DEF!
:[4] TuI~4 --> Teammates: DEF DOWN! DEF DOWN!
:[0] ~*WhAtUp*~ core dumped TuI ~ 6 for 2 points.
:[15] TuI ~ 7: Wow this is so fucking laggy
:[4] TuI~4: wow this is laggy

:thats interesting aint it Legit u loser. A ban maybe for gothica and Legit for trying to cheat and delibrately lag the server up. Dont believe me ask Zman for the server logs

;Legit
: Lol omega, i already have a terible rep on tron from what i said? maybe to your sp clan but i really dont care cus all of you are retarded nor do i like any of them but maybe 2. And Sasha, durka took the winzone in the other ladle because the other team took it first.

;JJBean
:Uhm I am pretty sure I have not said any of that ~|DS|~ on top shit in like 6 months, and wtf does that have to do with this anyways? DS gloats on DS servers because we are the shit there! And nice one Legit, you really are the best......... And for all those Sp's PENIS!

;[[User:Sasha|Sasha]]
: We must really replay this Ladle, but 2 more times, not just one, in order to get best of 3! :)
: People, ok. Stop spamming here about "SP suscks". Lets see who will win 8th Ladle! Wait just three weeks.

== Previous Feedback ==

*[[Ladle-1/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-2/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-3/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-4/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-5/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-6/Feedback]]

== Previous Results ==
Sixth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
| [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="4" | 1
| rowspan="8" | [[Team somethingsomething]]
|-
| [http://www.oops-clan.org/ °°ps] || 0
|-
|team 3 || n/a
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || rowspan="2" | 0
|-
| [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || bye
|-
| [[Tronic Monkeys]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Tronic Monkeys]] || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || n/a
|-
| [[Team somethingsomething]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
| team 8 || n/a
|}

Fifth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|team 1 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | WS || rowspan="2" | bye
| rowspan="4" | WS || rowspan="4" | 2
| rowspan="8" | team TM
|-
|team 2 || N/A
|-
|team 3 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | PKC || rowspan="2" | n/s
|-
|team 4 || N/A
|-
|team 5 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TM || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | TM || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || N/A
|-
|team 7 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TuI || rowspan="2" | 1
|-
|team 8 || N/A
|}

Fourth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|WPN || 2
| rowspan="2" | wpn || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | ho || rowspan="4" | 0
| rowspan="8" | proNoobz
|-
|tm || 0
|-
|none || N/A
| rowspan="2" | ho || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|ho || '''bye'''
|-
|st || 2
| rowspan="2" | st || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | pN || rowspan="4" | 2
|-
|ws || 0
|-
|pN || bye
| rowspan="2" | pN || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|TiP || n/s
|}

Third Ladle:

{{Ladle-7}}

Ladle Feedback

2007-01-10T06:56:37Z

213.33.137.138: /* Feedback for the Seventh Ladle */

{{Ladle-7}}

Please write your comments below about your experience of the event. You can also add comments about how it could be better... This information may be useful for anyone who tries to do such a thing again... We have to discuss stuff so that decisions made...

== Feedback for the Seventh Ladle ==
;Legit
: For starters, that was the worst ladle ive ever played. We organized a team and then when we played all positions etc... were all fucked up and hyphy i asked him to lay off def cus hes always too close and he still does it and fucked def once again. And as for redice little oops noob tking our whole team, at least 5 players in one round! And was unfair for that and also because the admin wasnt very good at locking a server cause some noob joined our team and fucked our whole team up as well. all this i will probably not play for TM anymore. And as for the finals was pretty good match to watch but tui was definantly the better team as watching how SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone. It was also funny when SP members would tell tui people to stfu and talk shit to them when they won but was also funny when pysko got all mad when someone got in his def and said it was a bullshit win for tui, next ladle should be handled better then this one.

;2020
: I forgot I was meant to be harsher with team entry. Most of us gathered and got the team organised. Then we started our game again TuI, and hyph refused to stay in midfield and got involved with def. I tried to tighten us up as a team, and for the first time issued a threat... which didn't go well with some members of the team who weren't aware of the havoc at the back. We lost the first match. And in the second, new players entered the server, a player using a familiar team name team-killed, and wrtl was constantly asked to admin the game -- and he was our defender! I didn't get into any kind of groove, played like a noob. What a mess.
:No idea what to do. I try to make it as clear as possible on the challenge board, and people seem confused about when it starts etc. I canjust about handle that, but not try to organise a team as well. I just want to play in a good game!!!!!!!!
;[[User:Durka|Durka]]
:The organization was a bit spectacle this time because of the games being delayed by 45 minutes. Otherwise everything went smoothly.

:About the finals, I didn't really care that it was 6 on 8 and they had a 2 man advantage, but what really pissed me off, was that it was 1-1 and in the 3rd match while the score was 76-70 their lead, the winzone popped up. We even had a one man advantage I belive at that point. They took the winzone and that boosted the score to 86-70. We could have easily won that match. Then, to top it off, they holed me (I was def) and went in and got the zone (using their 2 man advantage made it quite impossible to stop them while in the zone). Them winning that match completely turns around the entire finals. Instead of being 2-1 us, its 2-1 them. Then, in the 4th match, it was definately getting close, and it was 96-88 in the final round, and for the 10th time in the finals, I got holed by ~*SP*~ and they took the match.

:My point I'm trying to make is that:
:*There should be no winzone what so ever
:*I know we've talked about this before, but as long as a team gets at least 5 or 6 players there, the other team should at least cut 1 person. I'm fine with a one-man advantage & I'm also fine with a two-man advantage, or even 3, but if they use those extra men to hole the defense 10 times throughout 4 matches, then that (in my mind) is a bit unfair.

;'''Rico'''
:I dont mind doing it in a reg game, but in a serious tourney, when I'm trying to def against 4 attackers, I dont take kindly to the rest of the opposing team spamming me with messages to put me off. I'd have ignored them, but when theres so much spam it takes up half your screen and you have to play with only 10 fps anyway, it kinda pissed me off.

:Not that I was playing well anyway as it happens, but when I'm subject to "omg, our def sucks, alex you made us lose" etc etc criticism from my OWN TEAM because I was being distracted multiple ways... I do happen to get annoyed.

:Whatever, I'll still be taking part in some events in the future. Just remind me to silence the WHOLE of the opposition.

;AshitakA
:I just want to admit that it wasn’t redice, who played at the end. He abused his name like 2020 already said. What a bummer! He hadn’t the courage to make it with his own name. Anyway, for the next ladle I want to mention the idea to let teams also play for the 3rd and 4th or 5th and 6th place. It wouldn’t take much more time, because they play at the same time as the final would be. At the moment there are enough fort server online to realise this idea. Maybe you can include it into the ladle system.

;k3nNy
:Sp had a good setup, a good team with good team organisation. i think it is sad that no one here can gratulate sp for winning the ladle but instead some of you are searching for excuses why sp shouldnt have won the ladle. first: legit. hey dude, you say sp wasnt good as tui? i think thats kinda odd when you watch the field domination sp had during the finals. sp played with 2-3 defensive players and they didnt have much to do. sp was playing with 5 offensive players. so if you count those 5 offensive players + the defensive tui players you get quite much players dont u? so isnt it then a logical outcome that there is a quite high percentage for the defence of being holed by a dying player? so legit, tell me 1 person who wouldnt use a hole in the finals of the ladle. "SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone" --> this sounds for me that u accuse sp for holling on purpuse, which wasnt at all.
:well then about the winzone... first of all: as always i think it should be disabled too.
:then to the situation: durka, it was a 2 on 2 situation, 1 sp attacking against 2 doubledefending tuis (which made it impossible for the attacker to do sth), 1 sp staying in the back in case the attacker dies. how long did that situation last? how long could it have been lasting. well i was the one in the back, probably grinding myself for the 30st time in a row, waiting for sth to happen. first i thought aw dam winzone wth are you doin here. then i thought what the heck. so i think the first time i took a winzone because i was gettin that bored back in there! i just wanted that round to be over, i didnt care if tui would have taken it.
:oh and back to legit again: sp members well telling tui members to shut up because they were whining non stop. its a ladle final, so please be a man, play it and loose it or win it. congratulations sps!
:btw. exept i think the winzone should be disabled by default, i think this ladle was fine as usual.

;Legit
:LoL kenny, fine speech but TUI is definantly were better players. Just by knowing some of the members in tui and i dont even know most of them and i knew all SP that were playing TUI has definantly better team. Who did you have? Pysko and Sasha and uhh who else...? LoL anyways, if you were so bored of the ladle match and wanted to get the winzone then why the fuck are you playing in the ladle if its boring?!?! You had a player HellBlade who didnt even get to play and wanted to and you sat there being bored playin it when someone else in your clan could had actually enjoyed it? Your excuses are lame and you know you were afraid sp was going to loose cause TUI was a better team that why you really got the winzone.

;fr34ky
:LoL Legit, nice offenses but SP just won with all allowed methods, using no cheats. Holes were allowed, so we used them...a Winzone was there too, k3nNy used it and i agree with him! At first...it's really boring back there, and you know why it was boring? - No, not because Ladle is so boring, it was because no TuI attacked us...and why didnt they attack us? Hmmm, i think you know the answer. Oh and k3nNy had no chance to see any TuI not using the winzone...so he couldnt know TuI didnt want to use it. Congratulations Speeders, nice Ladle for us and certainly many other Players (except you Legit :->)
:greets, fr34ky

;k3nNy
:you must have been in another match legit, because i didnt have one single time the feeling tui was going to win. they had a good comeback to 1-1 but that was it. sp was the best team yesterday, because they acted like a team. good teamplay etc. made us strong. we didnt care about "players" like you do. everyone had their job, and everyone did it great. the reason why hellblade couldnt play is because he is an offensive player too, and we were already playing with 5 offensive players with psyko and me in defence (and obli), though we are normally both offensive players too. still i wont force anyone in a good playing team to sit out.
:and to you legit, please stop your whining and complaining all the time. that prejudiced whining of you is goin on my nerves. if you loose you loose, then stand to it. maybe you will win next time again, who knows. but stop that prejeduce stuff like: oh sp used holes, they certainly did that on purpurse. oh k3nny said he got bored that round, in that case he certainly thought the whole ladle was boring ?!? if you dont get it dude, go and watch the replay of that round, maybe in 10 years you will understand it when ur mature enough.

;'''Rico'''
:Funny that no-one has replied to my comment about the purposeful distractions. Of course it doesn't matter, as all of you would deny it anyway.

:Anyway, grats, even though winzoning is the lamest way to win ever, just an unparallelled level of chicken-ness. And ok, holing is fine, but when its like 5 on 1 and someone holes on purpose, thats annoying. As a defender, I have to deal with it all the time.

:Thats my piece, any comments about the purposeful distractions would be much appreciated. Thanks

;PsYkO
:How about a "congratz"?

;madmax
:First of all, congratz. I pretty much know nothing more about what happened so...
:The main thing I see is that always playing a knockout competition is not a good thing. It gets too... usual. I think some kind of championship competition and making the ladles more spaced (two/threee months maybe more?) would be a nice idea.
:I think in a knockout system it sure proves who was the best team then, but hey, what if a team who lost one game would win against all other teams? What if they were having a bad day? Having a championship (point based) would be IMHO a good idea. Perhaps that whole thought of "Kings Of the Grid"... After all, theres already a domain :)
:Also, it would benefit teams that consistently make good games, not only "that day" with "that conditions" with "..."
;Speed
Legit will you ever stop complaining and whining o they holed o they did this o is that a 2 yr old i hear talking legit because it sures sounds like one...
Legit also who are you to say people suck whenever i see you in a game its lag killed me omg i just slipped or someother bs excuse i have never seen you once do a spectacular move to win a match, now you slag of redice out of oops is that because they rejected you when you tryed joining them hmmm i wonder.
Save your complaints for people who care and btw when your good then i think you may have a leg to stand on atm you got a damn toothbrush.

;Rico
:Read my post before psyko, i did say grats ;)

;Omega
ROFL TUI
The first round we won where it was a 4 on 2. 1 attacker died and made a hole and the other attackers didnt go through. But instead waited till they had dumped the sweeper into his won def, and then went through that hole, you where even then calling us holers etc. You guys where making excuses every round.......

Durka 76-70 so what, whose to say you would have won. Statistically accounting for the match ending 3-1, you would have lost. I remember the 2 ladles ago the 5th which TM won i remember final match we were down 70-92 and we still won, so saying we would have easily won etc is nonsense as anything can happen. This reminds me of WPN etc, you guys are both like immature little children who cant take losing at all.
And @alex who was spamming you, tell me and ill sort em out.
:;Durka
::Are you kidding me? The winzone is a 20 point spin. 10 points for you guys which made it 86-70. It could have been 80-76. Then again, I would have liked to see you guys beat us that round considering the fact that thru 6 matches in the Ladle, I only got pwnd twice, & the 2 people that got by me from SP had already died. I'm not being cocky, but I always like a challenge and that would have been fun.
::Forgetting all of this, I know it was our fault, but look what kenny said above. They had 5 people attacking. Well, we only had 6 players total (again, this was our fault). So, you expect us to play agressive being 2 men down each round. That's similar to having like a 4 on 2 and having the team with 2 be on the attack. It makes no sense. When we played you guys in the last ladle and beat you guys, all you said was, well we didn't have Psyko or Whatup. Yes, Psyko & Whatup helped you a lot this ladle, but if we had brought 2 more players, then it would have gotten interesting and we would have been more on the attack. We look forward to rematching you guys, but with a full team this time. O, and how about the thought of playing in a US server? I'd like to see Viper, Cyclo, Kenny, Sasha, & Omega with pings like what I usually get :)
;k3nNy
:i think that round of the winzone stuff wasnt that match deciding. it was more important who was goin to win the round after that one. you could have equalized to about 90-86 or if it would have been the otherway round we could have gone from 80-76 to about 92-86. still, i hope we wont have that situation in future again. in case the zone doesnt get turned off, teams could tell before the matches each other they wont use it, then it should be np too.
:its true our field domination was partially that high because of the higher number of players. still the rules of the ladle arent very strict, so it should be no problem for a team to get it full actually. thats why i am against cutting players in the ladle if the other team hasnt enough. make sure you have 9-10 and it should be no problem.
:about that whatup and psyko & last ladle stuff. we didnt loose the last ladle because they werent here. we lost it because the organisation was bad & the setup was totally wrong. this ladle we played the semis against x. and they were strong i can tell u. they filled their team with players like pavelo. psyko didnt even play yet & whatup took cyclos place because he didnt show up either. in case whatup also wouldnt have been there we still had a great center attacker in hellblade. so, we won it 2-0 then. then to the finals: psyko got a spot in the team & got defender. but as we had 5 attackers and your team was (forced) playing defensive, we didnt have had much to do back there. so psyko wasnt very much involved. so i can tell u: we didnt win because whatup was playing & later psyko too, but because the teamplay etc. was great. thats far more important. i dont c team somethingsomething win because of 1 or 2 players either. they won because they were a great team. and i also dont c pings deciding the matches. btw those 2 players who made the difference in your opinion were "highpingers" from us too. :)
:well i look forward to the next ladle & playing against tui again. i hope in a balanced 8 vs 8 and on either zmans or wrtl, just simply because those 2 servers are the ones who dont go nuts when there are 20+ players on it :) (16 playing + spec & exchange players).

;Legit
: Oh kenny dont give me that bs that i didnt see what was goin on, i was in spectator mode the whole time watching around. Im not even in the tui match so what are you sayin i loose sum i loose sum? Kno whats going on first before you open that little minded mouth of yours. And as for speed, you obviously dont play fortress much as looking at how you play or know how i play. And as to what durka says is 100% tru and woudl be even be a harder match vs them if it were in a US server. Congrats to TUI on doin what ya did. Theres the congrats from me.

;PsYkO
: Thx max and rico

;k3nNy
: i think you played for tm legit? and i think tm lost the semis? btw i didnt open my mouth 1 single time while i was writing this. i can imagine you writing with your mouth wide open though xD. well back to the topic: as long as there is no us server which doesnt go nuts with 20+ players, there will no finals be played there i think. i c no reason to do that. same for 2020 server, that one goes nuts too with too many players, well the finals arent played there either are they. i can remember the finals of the 5th ladle, which even were moved after start from 2020 to zmans? btw the ping doesnt make a that huge difference as you guys are acting it does.

;Legit
: I never complained about my match about loosing, ive been talking about the tui vs sp match. You know dam well you needed the winzone and them holes or you wouldnt have survived that close of a game maybe 100-50 if your lucky but in a US server would be even worse for you cause of course european servers get overruled all the time cause SOME european people like you bitch about how laggy it always is for you in our servers and dont ever think about the fact how it is for us in your servers and deal with it all the time so now you can think of how the score would have been for tui in a us server then in a european server even when they made it a close enuff game in euro server xD .

;[[User:Sasha|Sasha]]
: Wow! WTF R U talking about? Lets see who will win the next one: Ladle 8! About holing: for me its a part of the _classic_fortress_ game (see server settings and shut up or tell something to server admin). About win-zone: the same answer. My opinion: holes can be used and winzone must be used (of course its fun for those who are playing, but not for the others who are just sitting and watching fuckin stupid square defense and attackers doing nothing).
: Specially for those who sad "holing is for n000bz, winzone is guyzone" I want to say: "Then n00bz own you! HA-HA-HA!" ;)
: Ok, after all I sad, I want to say that I also think that we won doubly/foul (dunno english well, choice the right word).
: To team X: Great game, good team, I want to face you again.
: To TuI: It was fun to play with "numbers" :) I also want to meet you on grid again.
: To Legit: shut up sometimes :)
: To Durka: test
: To 2020: organize something like madmax sad, please.

;MaZuffeR
:Interesting to see that you guys really take this so seriously, it's just a game :). I just watched some parts of the final. TuI didn't adapt to SP using pretty much every possible hole. The sweepers should have played much closer to the zone, so that they could cover the hole, or atleast go through the hole right after the attacker. The times I saw an attacker going through a hole, there was no sweeper close to him. And Durka, if you don't want holes in your wall, don't kill the attackers at every chance you get, let the sweepers take care of them (yes, I'm serious).

;fr34ky
:Hmrpf, let's cound the US Players/EU Players and guess why we play on european servers. Sure you can manage an US Ladle, but without me and certainly many other EU Players. I also hate high pings (yeah it's also not easy for a low-pinger to kill an US-High-pinger) but can you manage a flying server or one in the ocean?

;Rico
:LOL at a flying server xD

;Omega
whered that msn convo go?
And lol we arent allowed to use our own players in a competition, yes whatup and psyko did alot but we beat x without psyko, and they have a lot of good players. Stop with the excuses you lost to a better team on the day end of! Maz is right as usual. Sweepers have to stick close If you saw a hole in opponents def in the ladle you wouldnt go through. If u say no i wouldnt ud be chatting shit, Durka and legit use holes in normal play let alone the ladle. I can imagine how many people are at the moment laffing at you 2 crying over a defeat cos your opponents used strats that have been delibrately left in the game to use lol, especially when you use 1 of these strats in normal gameplay. And legit what the hell is your problem are you even in TUI? You already have a terrible rep in tron after those comments you made.

;k3nNy
:well, as some partially blame their ping (see the finals) for loosing, i went through zmans stats and compared the finals with the x-sp semifinals. well here some stats first:

:match 1 Tui vs Sp:
:Tui: 6 players, average 176 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 99 ping

: match 2 Tui vs Sp:
:Tui: 7 players, average 172 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 114 ping

: match 3 Tui vs Sp:
:Tui: 7 players, average 164 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 155 ping

: match 4 Tui vs Sp:
:Tui: 6 players, average 143 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 110 ping
:Total averages: Tui: 163, Sp: 120 // diff: 43
:(the outcome in a row: sp-tui: 1-0 1-1 2-1 3-1)

: match 1 x vs sp:
:X: 8 players, average 77 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 110 ping

: match 2 x vs sp:
:X: 8 players, average 80 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 108 ping
:Total averages: X: 79, Sp: 109 // diff: 30
:(the outcome in a row: x-sp: 0-1 0-2)

:the finals compared with the semis show quite good that the ping is not "that" important.
:the top 5 rankings even show it more. only 1 time out of 6 matches an european player was on top.
:of course if your ping is higher then like 220 you will get problems. and someone with a 40 ping will have a slight advantage against someone with 200.
:(see: http://www.thp.uni-koeln.de/~moos/tronstats/ladle7/ by zman)
:btw my ping wasnt very good that day durka :) from ~150 in the afternoon till finally ~60 in the late evening. Actually most of the time only viper (and me in the last match) had "good" pings around 50-60.

;JJBean
:Wow i really love how the 'feedback' page turned into lets bitch about how we lost and how they cheated..... Lets also talk about how no one likes SP and doesn't like to see jerks win. Yes I am calling you jerks because all you guys do is gloat about how 'good' you are. I left after we lost that final match because i knew all we were going to here was how 'good' you guys are. Lets have a rematch before the 8th ladle ON AND AMERICAN SERVER and see who wins. <=== You will most likely say fuck that because you know you cannot beat us when we will have an average ping lower than yours. As for the holing and the winzone, Holes yea who gives a fuck, I know we are going to hole the fuck out of you next time we play you, but WINZONE come on. I could have taken it three times that round but i just zoomed around waiting for your attacker to actually do somthing, which he never did, well atleast before '''she''' took the winzone. You won't get a gratz from me all you will get is a WD for beating us and a GL for the future....

;[[User:Sasha|Sasha]]
: Note that Durka has forgotten that he himself took the winzone in the 6th ladle. JJBean, hi! :)

;k3nNy
:that is arranged. you give that american server, we give date and time...

;fr34ky
:Speeders, you read, what she said and i want to say, taht i'm really sad you don't like me JJBean.
:[...]
:But i think it would be also fun for us, too see you guys on your American-Lowping-Server, beating our 500-Ping-Double-Defense with holing :). Please tell us before if holing will be possible and if there is a winzone.

;Speed
JJbean or mgt or whoever you wanna be called we didnt brag once we got shit from tui as soon as we won it was oh you holers blah blah blah i didnt actually here 1 of us gloat, like you dont say ~|DS|~ on top and all that crap hmm gloating yes or no sodont start saying crap how we gloat when all what happens is noobs who cant take losing proerly complain.

;Omega
oh look what i found legit
[22] Gothica --> Legit: in console set ping_charity 999999999
[13] Legit --> Gothica: yeah
[3] ~*HeLlBlAdE*~: lol
[5] ~*SP*~Sp33d: nerd leavbe
[19] ~*SP*~viper~: am i 2 or 3 ?
[1] ~*SP*~oO.k3nNy: 3 xD
[19] ~*SP*~viper~: ok
[3] ~*HeLlBlAdE*~: 3
[14] ~*SP*~Sasha --> Teammates: ~*WhAtUp*~, Now my place is 4th
[22] Gothica --> Legit: give them extra lag
[22] Gothica: lol
[13] Legit --> Gothica: do it when sp is attacking cus i hate htem
[22] Gothica --> Legit: just set it now, it lasts till u change it back to 100
[13] Legit --> Gothica: just set it when sp is attacking
[22] Gothica --> Legit: if u set it on, it stays on untill u change it
[13] Legit --> Gothica: so yeah only do it when sp attacks
[13] Legit --> Gothica: so tui dosnt get it
[22] Gothica --> Legit: nopw
[0] ~*SP*~ 4 core dumped TuI ~ 7 for 2 points.
[4] TuI~4 --> Teammates: HELP DEF! HELP DEF!
[4] TuI~4 --> Teammates: DEF DOWN! DEF DOWN!
[0] ~*WhAtUp*~ core dumped TuI ~ 6 for 2 points.
[15] TuI ~ 7: Wow this is so fucking laggy
[4] TuI~4: wow this is laggy

thats interesting aint it Legit u loser. A ban maybe for gothica and Legit for trying to cheat and delibrately lag the server up. Dont believe me ask Zman for the server logs

;Legit
: Lol omega, i already have a terible rep on tron from what i said? maybe to your sp clan but i really dont care cus all of you are retarded nor do i like any of them but maybe 2. And Sasha, durka took the winzone in the other ladle because the other team took it first.

;JJBean
:Uhm I am pretty sure I have not said any of that ~|DS|~ on top shit in like 6 months, and wtf does that have to do with this anyways? DS gloats on DS servers because we are the shit there! And nice one Legit, you really are the best......... And for all those Sp's PENIS!

;[[User:Sasha|Sasha]]
: We must really replay this Ladle, but 2 more times, not just one, in order to get best of 3! :)
: People, ok. Stop spamming here about "SP suscks". Lets see who will win 8th Ladle! Wait just three weeks.

== Previous Feedback ==

*[[Ladle-1/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-2/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-3/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-4/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-5/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-6/Feedback]]

== Previous Results ==
Sixth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
| [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="4" | 1
| rowspan="8" | [[Team somethingsomething]]
|-
| [http://www.oops-clan.org/ °°ps] || 0
|-
|team 3 || n/a
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || rowspan="2" | 0
|-
| [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || bye
|-
| [[Tronic Monkeys]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Tronic Monkeys]] || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || n/a
|-
| [[Team somethingsomething]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
| team 8 || n/a
|}

Fifth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|team 1 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | WS || rowspan="2" | bye
| rowspan="4" | WS || rowspan="4" | 2
| rowspan="8" | team TM
|-
|team 2 || N/A
|-
|team 3 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | PKC || rowspan="2" | n/s
|-
|team 4 || N/A
|-
|team 5 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TM || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | TM || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || N/A
|-
|team 7 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TuI || rowspan="2" | 1
|-
|team 8 || N/A
|}

Fourth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|WPN || 2
| rowspan="2" | wpn || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | ho || rowspan="4" | 0
| rowspan="8" | proNoobz
|-
|tm || 0
|-
|none || N/A
| rowspan="2" | ho || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|ho || '''bye'''
|-
|st || 2
| rowspan="2" | st || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | pN || rowspan="4" | 2
|-
|ws || 0
|-
|pN || bye
| rowspan="2" | pN || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|TiP || n/s
|}

Third Ladle:

{{Ladle-7}}

Ladle Feedback

2007-01-09T07:25:24Z

213.33.137.138: /* Feedback for the Seventh Ladle */

{{Ladle-7}}

Please write your comments below about your experience of the event. You can also add comments about how it could be better... This information may be useful for anyone who tries to do such a thing again... We have to discuss stuff so that decisions made...

== Feedback for the Seventh Ladle ==
;Legit
: For starters, that was the worst ladle ive ever played. We organized a team and then when we played all positions etc... were all fucked up and hyphy i asked him to lay off def cus hes always too close and he still does it and fucked def once again. And as for redice little oops noob tking our whole team, at least 5 players in one round! And was unfair for that and also because the admin wasnt very good at locking a server cause some noob joined our team and fucked our whole team up as well. all this i will probably not play for TM anymore. And as for the finals was pretty good match to watch but tui was definantly the better team as watching how SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone. It was also funny when SP members would tell tui people to stfu and talk shit to them when they won but was also funny when pysko got all mad when someone got in his def and said it was a bullshit win for tui, next ladle should be handled better then this one.

;2020
: I forgot I was meant to be harsher with team entry. Most of us gathered and got the team organised. Then we started our game again TuI, and hyph refused to stay in midfield and got involved with def. I tried to tighten us up as a team, and for the first time issued a threat... which didn't go well with some members of the team who weren't aware of the havoc at the back. We lost the first match. And in the second, new players entered the server, a player using a familiar team name team-killed, and wrtl was constantly asked to admin the game -- and he was our defender! I didn't get into any kind of groove, played like a noob. What a mess.
:No idea what to do. I try to make it as clear as possible on the challenge board, and people seem confused about when it starts etc. I canjust about handle that, but not try to organise a team as well. I just want to play in a good game!!!!!!!!
;[[User:Durka|Durka]]
:The organization was a bit spectacle this time because of the games being delayed by 45 minutes. Otherwise everything went smoothly.

:About the finals, I didn't really care that it was 6 on 8 and they had a 2 man advantage, but what really pissed me off, was that it was 1-1 and in the 3rd match while the score was 76-70 their lead, the winzone popped up. We even had a one man advantage I belive at that point. They took the winzone and that boosted the score to 86-70. We could have easily won that match. Then, to top it off, they holed me (I was def) and went in and got the zone (using their 2 man advantage made it quite impossible to stop them while in the zone). Them winning that match completely turns around the entire finals. Instead of being 2-1 us, its 2-1 them. Then, in the 4th match, it was definately getting close, and it was 96-88 in the final round, and for the 10th time in the finals, I got holed by ~*SP*~ and they took the match.

:My point I'm trying to make is that:
:*There should be no winzone what so ever
:*I know we've talked about this before, but as long as a team gets at least 5 or 6 players there, the other team should at least cut 1 person. I'm fine with a one-man advantage & I'm also fine with a two-man advantage, or even 3, but if they use those extra men to hole the defense 10 times throughout 4 matches, then that (in my mind) is a bit unfair.

;'''Rico'''
:I dont mind doing it in a reg game, but in a serious tourney, when I'm trying to def against 4 attackers, I dont take kindly to the rest of the opposing team spamming me with messages to put me off. I'd have ignored them, but when theres so much spam it takes up half your screen and you have to play with only 10 fps anyway, it kinda pissed me off.

:Not that I was playing well anyway as it happens, but when I'm subject to "omg, our def sucks, alex you made us lose" etc etc criticism from my OWN TEAM because I was being distracted multiple ways... I do happen to get annoyed.

:Whatever, I'll still be taking part in some events in the future. Just remind me to silence the WHOLE of the opposition.

;AshitakA
:I just want to admit that it wasn’t redice, who played at the end. He abused his name like 2020 already said. What a bummer! He hadn’t the courage to make it with his own name. Anyway, for the next ladle I want to mention the idea to let teams also play for the 3rd and 4th or 5th and 6th place. It wouldn’t take much more time, because they play at the same time as the final would be. At the moment there are enough fort server online to realise this idea. Maybe you can include it into the ladle system.

;k3nNy
:Sp had a good setup, a good team with good team organisation. i think it is sad that no one here can gratulate sp for winning the ladle but instead some of you are searching for excuses why sp shouldnt have won the ladle. first: legit. hey dude, you say sp wasnt good as tui? i think thats kinda odd when you watch the field domination sp had during the finals. sp played with 2-3 defensive players and they didnt have much to do. sp was playing with 5 offensive players. so if you count those 5 offensive players + the defensive tui players you get quite much players dont u? so isnt it then a logical outcome that there is a quite high percentage for the defence of being holed by a dying player? so legit, tell me 1 person who wouldnt use a hole in the finals of the ladle. "SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone" --> this sounds for me that u accuse sp for holling on purpuse, which wasnt at all.
:well then about the winzone... first of all: as always i think it should be disabled too.
:then to the situation: durka, it was a 2 on 2 situation, 1 sp attacking against 2 doubledefending tuis (which made it impossible for the attacker to do sth), 1 sp staying in the back in case the attacker dies. how long did that situation last? how long could it have been lasting. well i was the one in the back, probably grinding myself for the 30st time in a row, waiting for sth to happen. first i thought aw dam winzone wth are you doin here. then i thought what the heck. so i think the first time i took a winzone because i was gettin that bored back in there! i just wanted that round to be over, i didnt care if tui would have taken it.
:oh and back to legit again: sp members well telling tui members to shut up because they were whining non stop. its a ladle final, so please be a man, play it and loose it or win it. congratulations sps!
:btw. exept i think the winzone should be disabled by default, i think this ladle was fine as usual.

;Legit
:LoL kenny, fine speech but TUI is definantly were better players. Just by knowing some of the members in tui and i dont even know most of them and i knew all SP that were playing TUI has definantly better team. Who did you have? Pysko and Sasha and uhh who else...? LoL anyways, if you were so bored of the ladle match and wanted to get the winzone then why the fuck are you playing in the ladle if its boring?!?! You had a player HellBlade who didnt even get to play and wanted to and you sat there being bored playin it when someone else in your clan could had actually enjoyed it? Your excuses are lame and you know you were afraid sp was going to loose cause TUI was a better team that why you really got the winzone.

;fr34ky
:LoL Legit, nice offenses but SP just won with all allowed methods, using no cheats. Holes were allowed, so we used them...a Winzone was there too, k3nNy used it and i agree with him! At first...it's really boring back there, and you know why it was boring? - No, not because Ladle is so boring, it was because no TuI attacked us...and why didnt they attack us? Hmmm, i think you know the answer. Oh and k3nNy had no chance to see any TuI not using the winzone...so he couldnt know TuI didnt want to use it. Congratulations Speeders, nice Ladle for us and certainly many other Players (except you Legit :->)
:greets, fr34ky

;k3nNy
:you must have been in another match legit, because i didnt have one single time the feeling tui was going to win. they had a good comeback to 1-1 but that was it. sp was the best team yesterday, because they acted like a team. good teamplay etc. made us strong. we didnt care about "players" like you do. everyone had their job, and everyone did it great. the reason why hellblade couldnt play is because he is an offensive player too, and we were already playing with 5 offensive players with psyko and me in defence (and obli), though we are normally both offensive players too. still i wont force anyone in a good playing team to sit out.
:and to you legit, please stop your whining and complaining all the time. that prejudiced whining of you is goin on my nerves. if you loose you loose, then stand to it. maybe you will win next time again, who knows. but stop that prejeduce stuff like: oh sp used holes, they certainly did that on purpurse. oh k3nny said he got bored that round, in that case he certainly thought the whole ladle was boring ?!? if you dont get it dude, go and watch the replay of that round, maybe in 10 years you will understand it when ur mature enough.

;'''Rico'''
:Funny that no-one has replied to my comment about the purposeful distractions. Of course it doesn't matter, as all of you would deny it anyway.

:Anyway, grats, even though winzoning is the lamest way to win ever, just an unparallelled level of chicken-ness. And ok, holing is fine, but when its like 5 on 1 and someone holes on purpose, thats annoying. As a defender, I have to deal with it all the time.

:Thats my piece, any comments about the purposeful distractions would be much appreciated. Thanks

;PsYkO
:How about a "congratz"?

;madmax
:First of all, congratz. I pretty much know nothing more about what happened so...
:The main thing I see is that always playing a knockout competition is not a good thing. It gets too... usual. I think some kind of championship competition and making the ladles more spaced (two/threee months maybe more?) would be a nice idea.
:I think in a knockout system it sure proves who was the best team then, but hey, what if a team who lost one game would win against all other teams? What if they were having a bad day? Having a championship (point based) would be IMHO a good idea. Perhaps that whole thought of "Kings Of the Grid"... After all, theres already a domain :)
:Also, it would benefit teams that consistently make good games, not only "that day" with "that conditions" with "..."
;Speed
Legit will you ever stop complaining and whining o they holed o they did this o is that a 2 yr old i hear talking legit because it sures sounds like one...
Legit also who are you to say people suck whenever i see you in a game its lag killed me omg i just slipped or someother bs excuse i have never seen you once do a spectacular move to win a match, now you slag of redice out of oops is that because they rejected you when you tryed joining them hmmm i wonder.
Save your complaints for people who care and btw when your good then i think you may have a leg to stand on atm you got a damn toothbrush.

;Rico
:Read my post before psyko, i did say grats ;)

;Omega
ROFL TUI
The first round we won where it was a 4 on 2. 1 attacker died and made a hole and the other attackers didnt go through. But instead waited till they had dumped the sweeper into his won def, and then went through that hole, you where even then calling us holers etc. You guys where making excuses every round.......

Durka 76-70 so what, whose to say you would have won. Statistically accounting for the match ending 3-1, you would have lost. I remember the 2 ladles ago the 5th which TM won i remember final match we were down 70-92 and we still won, so saying we would have easily won etc is nonsense as anything can happen. This reminds me of WPN etc, you guys are both like immature little children who cant take losing at all.
And @alex who was spamming you, tell me and ill sort em out.
:;Durka
::Are you kidding me? The winzone is a 20 point spin. 10 points for you guys which made it 86-70. It could have been 80-76. Then again, I would have liked to see you guys beat us that round considering the fact that thru 6 matches in the Ladle, I only got pwnd twice, & the 2 people that got by me from SP had already died. I'm not being cocky, but I always like a challenge and that would have been fun.
::Forgetting all of this, I know it was our fault, but look what kenny said above. They had 5 people attacking. Well, we only had 6 players total (again, this was our fault). So, you expect us to play agressive being 2 men down each round. That's similar to having like a 4 on 2 and having the team with 2 be on the attack. It makes no sense. When we played you guys in the last ladle and beat you guys, all you said was, well we didn't have Psyko or Whatup. Yes, Psyko & Whatup helped you a lot this ladle, but if we had brought 2 more players, then it would have gotten interesting and we would have been more on the attack. We look forward to rematching you guys, but with a full team this time. O, and how about the thought of playing in a US server? I'd like to see Viper, Cyclo, Kenny, Sasha, & Omega with pings like what I usually get :)
;k3nNy
:i think that round of the winzone stuff wasnt that match deciding. it was more important who was goin to win the round after that one. you could have equalized to about 90-86 or if it would have been the otherway round we could have gone from 80-76 to about 92-86. still, i hope we wont have that situation in future again. in case the zone doesnt get turned off, teams could tell before the matches each other they wont use it, then it should be np too.
:its true our field domination was partially that high because of the higher number of players. still the rules of the ladle arent very strict, so it should be no problem for a team to get it full actually. thats why i am against cutting players in the ladle if the other team hasnt enough. make sure you have 9-10 and it should be no problem.
:about that whatup and psyko & last ladle stuff. we didnt loose the last ladle because they werent here. we lost it because the organisation was bad & the setup was totally wrong. this ladle we played the semis against x. and they were strong i can tell u. they filled their team with players like pavelo. psyko didnt even play yet & whatup took cyclos place because he didnt show up either. in case whatup also wouldnt have been there we still had a great center attacker in hellblade. so, we won it 2-0 then. then to the finals: psyko got a spot in the team & got defender. but as we had 5 attackers and your team was (forced) playing defensive, we didnt have had much to do back there. so psyko wasnt very much involved. so i can tell u: we didnt win because whatup was playing & later psyko too, but because the teamplay etc. was great. thats far more important. i dont c team somethingsomething win because of 1 or 2 players either. they won because they were a great team. and i also dont c pings deciding the matches. btw those 2 players who made the difference in your opinion were "highpingers" from us too. :)
:well i look forward to the next ladle & playing against tui again. i hope in a balanced 8 vs 8 and on either zmans or wrtl, just simply because those 2 servers are the ones who dont go nuts when there are 20+ players on it :) (16 playing + spec & exchange players).

;Legit
: Oh kenny dont give me that bs that i didnt see what was goin on, i was in spectator mode the whole time watching around. Im not even in the tui match so what are you sayin i loose sum i loose sum? Kno whats going on first before you open that little minded mouth of yours. And as for speed, you obviously dont play fortress much as looking at how you play or know how i play. And as to what durka says is 100% tru and woudl be even be a harder match vs them if it were in a US server. Congrats to TUI on doin what ya did. Theres the congrats from me.

;PsYkO
: Thx max and rico

;k3nNy
: i think you played for tm legit? and i think tm lost the semis? btw i didnt open my mouth 1 single time while i was writing this. i can imagine you writing with your mouth wide open though xD. well back to the topic: as long as there is no us server which doesnt go nuts with 20+ players, there will no finals be played there i think. i c no reason to do that. same for 2020 server, that one goes nuts too with too many players, well the finals arent played there either are they. i can remember the finals of the 5th ladle, which even were moved after start from 2020 to zmans? btw the ping doesnt make a that huge difference as you guys are acting it does.

;Legit
: I never complained about my match about loosing, ive been talking about the tui vs sp match. You know dam well you needed the winzone and them holes or you wouldnt have survived that close of a game maybe 100-50 if your lucky but in a US server would be even worse for you cause of course european servers get overruled all the time cause SOME european people like you bitch about how laggy it always is for you in our servers and dont ever think about the fact how it is for us in your servers and deal with it all the time so now you can think of how the score would have been for tui in a us server then in a european server even when they made it a close enuff game in euro server xD .

;[[User:Sasha|Sasha]]
: Wow! WTF R U talking about? Lets see who will win the next one: Ladle 8! About holing: for me its a part of the _classic_fortress_ game (see server settings and shut up or tell something to server admin). About win-zone: the same answer. My opinion: holes can be used and winzone must be used (of course its fun for those who are playing, but not for the others who are just sitting and watching fuckin stupid square defense and attackers doing nothing).
: Specially for those who sad "holing is for n000bz, winzone is guyzone" I want to say: "Then n00bz own you! HA-HA-HA!" ;)
: Ok, after all I sad, I want to say that I also think that we won doubly/foul (dunno english well, choice the right word).
: To team X: Great game, good team, I want to face you again.
: To TuI: It was fun to play with "numbers" :) I also want to meet you on grid again.
: To Legit: shut up sometimes :)
: To Durka: test
: To 2020: organize something like madmax sad, please.

== Previous Feedback ==

*[[Ladle-1/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-2/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-3/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-4/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-5/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-6/Feedback]]

== Previous Results ==
Sixth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
| [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="4" | 1
| rowspan="8" | [[Team somethingsomething]]
|-
| [http://www.oops-clan.org/ °°ps] || 0
|-
|team 3 || n/a
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || rowspan="2" | 0
|-
| [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || bye
|-
| [[Tronic Monkeys]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Tronic Monkeys]] || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || n/a
|-
| [[Team somethingsomething]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
| team 8 || n/a
|}

Fifth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|team 1 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | WS || rowspan="2" | bye
| rowspan="4" | WS || rowspan="4" | 2
| rowspan="8" | team TM
|-
|team 2 || N/A
|-
|team 3 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | PKC || rowspan="2" | n/s
|-
|team 4 || N/A
|-
|team 5 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TM || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | TM || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || N/A
|-
|team 7 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TuI || rowspan="2" | 1
|-
|team 8 || N/A
|}

Fourth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|WPN || 2
| rowspan="2" | wpn || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | ho || rowspan="4" | 0
| rowspan="8" | proNoobz
|-
|tm || 0
|-
|none || N/A
| rowspan="2" | ho || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|ho || '''bye'''
|-
|st || 2
| rowspan="2" | st || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | pN || rowspan="4" | 2
|-
|ws || 0
|-
|pN || bye
| rowspan="2" | pN || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|TiP || n/s
|}

Third Ladle:

{{Ladle-7}}

Ladle Feedback

2007-01-09T07:25:03Z

213.33.137.138: /* Feedback for the Seventh Ladle */

{{Ladle-7}}

Please write your comments below about your experience of the event. You can also add comments about how it could be better... This information may be useful for anyone who tries to do such a thing again... We have to discuss stuff so that decisions made...

== Feedback for the Seventh Ladle ==
;Legit
: For starters, that was the worst ladle ive ever played. We organized a team and then when we played all positions etc... were all fucked up and hyphy i asked him to lay off def cus hes always too close and he still does it and fucked def once again. And as for redice little oops noob tking our whole team, at least 5 players in one round! And was unfair for that and also because the admin wasnt very good at locking a server cause some noob joined our team and fucked our whole team up as well. all this i will probably not play for TM anymore. And as for the finals was pretty good match to watch but tui was definantly the better team as watching how SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone. It was also funny when SP members would tell tui people to stfu and talk shit to them when they won but was also funny when pysko got all mad when someone got in his def and said it was a bullshit win for tui, next ladle should be handled better then this one.

;2020
: I forgot I was meant to be harsher with team entry. Most of us gathered and got the team organised. Then we started our game again TuI, and hyph refused to stay in midfield and got involved with def. I tried to tighten us up as a team, and for the first time issued a threat... which didn't go well with some members of the team who weren't aware of the havoc at the back. We lost the first match. And in the second, new players entered the server, a player using a familiar team name team-killed, and wrtl was constantly asked to admin the game -- and he was our defender! I didn't get into any kind of groove, played like a noob. What a mess.
:No idea what to do. I try to make it as clear as possible on the challenge board, and people seem confused about when it starts etc. I canjust about handle that, but not try to organise a team as well. I just want to play in a good game!!!!!!!!
;[[User:Durka|Durka]]
:The organization was a bit spectacle this time because of the games being delayed by 45 minutes. Otherwise everything went smoothly.

:About the finals, I didn't really care that it was 6 on 8 and they had a 2 man advantage, but what really pissed me off, was that it was 1-1 and in the 3rd match while the score was 76-70 their lead, the winzone popped up. We even had a one man advantage I belive at that point. They took the winzone and that boosted the score to 86-70. We could have easily won that match. Then, to top it off, they holed me (I was def) and went in and got the zone (using their 2 man advantage made it quite impossible to stop them while in the zone). Them winning that match completely turns around the entire finals. Instead of being 2-1 us, its 2-1 them. Then, in the 4th match, it was definately getting close, and it was 96-88 in the final round, and for the 10th time in the finals, I got holed by ~*SP*~ and they took the match.

:My point I'm trying to make is that:
:*There should be no winzone what so ever
:*I know we've talked about this before, but as long as a team gets at least 5 or 6 players there, the other team should at least cut 1 person. I'm fine with a one-man advantage & I'm also fine with a two-man advantage, or even 3, but if they use those extra men to hole the defense 10 times throughout 4 matches, then that (in my mind) is a bit unfair.

;'''Rico'''
:I dont mind doing it in a reg game, but in a serious tourney, when I'm trying to def against 4 attackers, I dont take kindly to the rest of the opposing team spamming me with messages to put me off. I'd have ignored them, but when theres so much spam it takes up half your screen and you have to play with only 10 fps anyway, it kinda pissed me off.

:Not that I was playing well anyway as it happens, but when I'm subject to "omg, our def sucks, alex you made us lose" etc etc criticism from my OWN TEAM because I was being distracted multiple ways... I do happen to get annoyed.

:Whatever, I'll still be taking part in some events in the future. Just remind me to silence the WHOLE of the opposition.

;AshitakA
:I just want to admit that it wasn’t redice, who played at the end. He abused his name like 2020 already said. What a bummer! He hadn’t the courage to make it with his own name. Anyway, for the next ladle I want to mention the idea to let teams also play for the 3rd and 4th or 5th and 6th place. It wouldn’t take much more time, because they play at the same time as the final would be. At the moment there are enough fort server online to realise this idea. Maybe you can include it into the ladle system.

;k3nNy
:Sp had a good setup, a good team with good team organisation. i think it is sad that no one here can gratulate sp for winning the ladle but instead some of you are searching for excuses why sp shouldnt have won the ladle. first: legit. hey dude, you say sp wasnt good as tui? i think thats kinda odd when you watch the field domination sp had during the finals. sp played with 2-3 defensive players and they didnt have much to do. sp was playing with 5 offensive players. so if you count those 5 offensive players + the defensive tui players you get quite much players dont u? so isnt it then a logical outcome that there is a quite high percentage for the defence of being holed by a dying player? so legit, tell me 1 person who wouldnt use a hole in the finals of the ladle. "SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone" --> this sounds for me that u accuse sp for holling on purpuse, which wasnt at all.
:well then about the winzone... first of all: as always i think it should be disabled too.
:then to the situation: durka, it was a 2 on 2 situation, 1 sp attacking against 2 doubledefending tuis (which made it impossible for the attacker to do sth), 1 sp staying in the back in case the attacker dies. how long did that situation last? how long could it have been lasting. well i was the one in the back, probably grinding myself for the 30st time in a row, waiting for sth to happen. first i thought aw dam winzone wth are you doin here. then i thought what the heck. so i think the first time i took a winzone because i was gettin that bored back in there! i just wanted that round to be over, i didnt care if tui would have taken it.
:oh and back to legit again: sp members well telling tui members to shut up because they were whining non stop. its a ladle final, so please be a man, play it and loose it or win it. congratulations sps!
:btw. exept i think the winzone should be disabled by default, i think this ladle was fine as usual.

;Legit
:LoL kenny, fine speech but TUI is definantly were better players. Just by knowing some of the members in tui and i dont even know most of them and i knew all SP that were playing TUI has definantly better team. Who did you have? Pysko and Sasha and uhh who else...? LoL anyways, if you were so bored of the ladle match and wanted to get the winzone then why the fuck are you playing in the ladle if its boring?!?! You had a player HellBlade who didnt even get to play and wanted to and you sat there being bored playin it when someone else in your clan could had actually enjoyed it? Your excuses are lame and you know you were afraid sp was going to loose cause TUI was a better team that why you really got the winzone.

;fr34ky
:LoL Legit, nice offenses but SP just won with all allowed methods, using no cheats. Holes were allowed, so we used them...a Winzone was there too, k3nNy used it and i agree with him! At first...it's really boring back there, and you know why it was boring? - No, not because Ladle is so boring, it was because no TuI attacked us...and why didnt they attack us? Hmmm, i think you know the answer. Oh and k3nNy had no chance to see any TuI not using the winzone...so he couldnt know TuI didnt want to use it. Congratulations Speeders, nice Ladle for us and certainly many other Players (except you Legit :->)
:greets, fr34ky

;k3nNy
:you must have been in another match legit, because i didnt have one single time the feeling tui was going to win. they had a good comeback to 1-1 but that was it. sp was the best team yesterday, because they acted like a team. good teamplay etc. made us strong. we didnt care about "players" like you do. everyone had their job, and everyone did it great. the reason why hellblade couldnt play is because he is an offensive player too, and we were already playing with 5 offensive players with psyko and me in defence (and obli), though we are normally both offensive players too. still i wont force anyone in a good playing team to sit out.
:and to you legit, please stop your whining and complaining all the time. that prejudiced whining of you is goin on my nerves. if you loose you loose, then stand to it. maybe you will win next time again, who knows. but stop that prejeduce stuff like: oh sp used holes, they certainly did that on purpurse. oh k3nny said he got bored that round, in that case he certainly thought the whole ladle was boring ?!? if you dont get it dude, go and watch the replay of that round, maybe in 10 years you will understand it when ur mature enough.

;'''Rico'''
:Funny that no-one has replied to my comment about the purposeful distractions. Of course it doesn't matter, as all of you would deny it anyway.

:Anyway, grats, even though winzoning is the lamest way to win ever, just an unparallelled level of chicken-ness. And ok, holing is fine, but when its like 5 on 1 and someone holes on purpose, thats annoying. As a defender, I have to deal with it all the time.

:Thats my piece, any comments about the purposeful distractions would be much appreciated. Thanks

;PsYkO
:How about a "congratz"?

;madmax
:First of all, congratz. I pretty much know nothing more about what happened so...
:The main thing I see is that always playing a knockout competition is not a good thing. It gets too... usual. I think some kind of championship competition and making the ladles more spaced (two/threee months maybe more?) would be a nice idea.
:I think in a knockout system it sure proves who was the best team then, but hey, what if a team who lost one game would win against all other teams? What if they were having a bad day? Having a championship (point based) would be IMHO a good idea. Perhaps that whole thought of "Kings Of the Grid"... After all, theres already a domain :)
:Also, it would benefit teams that consistently make good games, not only "that day" with "that conditions" with "..."
;Speed
Legit will you ever stop complaining and whining o they holed o they did this o is that a 2 yr old i hear talking legit because it sures sounds like one...
Legit also who are you to say people suck whenever i see you in a game its lag killed me omg i just slipped or someother bs excuse i have never seen you once do a spectacular move to win a match, now you slag of redice out of oops is that because they rejected you when you tryed joining them hmmm i wonder.
Save your complaints for people who care and btw when your good then i think you may have a leg to stand on atm you got a damn toothbrush.

;Rico
:Read my post before psyko, i did say grats ;)

;Omega
ROFL TUI
The first round we won where it was a 4 on 2. 1 attacker died and made a hole and the other attackers didnt go through. But instead waited till they had dumped the sweeper into his won def, and then went through that hole, you where even then calling us holers etc. You guys where making excuses every round.......

Durka 76-70 so what, whose to say you would have won. Statistically accounting for the match ending 3-1, you would have lost. I remember the 2 ladles ago the 5th which TM won i remember final match we were down 70-92 and we still won, so saying we would have easily won etc is nonsense as anything can happen. This reminds me of WPN etc, you guys are both like immature little children who cant take losing at all.
And @alex who was spamming you, tell me and ill sort em out.
:;Durka
::Are you kidding me? The winzone is a 20 point spin. 10 points for you guys which made it 86-70. It could have been 80-76. Then again, I would have liked to see you guys beat us that round considering the fact that thru 6 matches in the Ladle, I only got pwnd twice, & the 2 people that got by me from SP had already died. I'm not being cocky, but I always like a challenge and that would have been fun.
::Forgetting all of this, I know it was our fault, but look what kenny said above. They had 5 people attacking. Well, we only had 6 players total (again, this was our fault). So, you expect us to play agressive being 2 men down each round. That's similar to having like a 4 on 2 and having the team with 2 be on the attack. It makes no sense. When we played you guys in the last ladle and beat you guys, all you said was, well we didn't have Psyko or Whatup. Yes, Psyko & Whatup helped you a lot this ladle, but if we had brought 2 more players, then it would have gotten interesting and we would have been more on the attack. We look forward to rematching you guys, but with a full team this time. O, and how about the thought of playing in a US server? I'd like to see Viper, Cyclo, Kenny, Sasha, & Omega with pings like what I usually get :)
;k3nNy
:i think that round of the winzone stuff wasnt that match deciding. it was more important who was goin to win the round after that one. you could have equalized to about 90-86 or if it would have been the otherway round we could have gone from 80-76 to about 92-86. still, i hope we wont have that situation in future again. in case the zone doesnt get turned off, teams could tell before the matches each other they wont use it, then it should be np too.
:its true our field domination was partially that high because of the higher number of players. still the rules of the ladle arent very strict, so it should be no problem for a team to get it full actually. thats why i am against cutting players in the ladle if the other team hasnt enough. make sure you have 9-10 and it should be no problem.
:about that whatup and psyko & last ladle stuff. we didnt loose the last ladle because they werent here. we lost it because the organisation was bad & the setup was totally wrong. this ladle we played the semis against x. and they were strong i can tell u. they filled their team with players like pavelo. psyko didnt even play yet & whatup took cyclos place because he didnt show up either. in case whatup also wouldnt have been there we still had a great center attacker in hellblade. so, we won it 2-0 then. then to the finals: psyko got a spot in the team & got defender. but as we had 5 attackers and your team was (forced) playing defensive, we didnt have had much to do back there. so psyko wasnt very much involved. so i can tell u: we didnt win because whatup was playing & later psyko too, but because the teamplay etc. was great. thats far more important. i dont c team somethingsomething win because of 1 or 2 players either. they won because they were a great team. and i also dont c pings deciding the matches. btw those 2 players who made the difference in your opinion were "highpingers" from us too. :)
:well i look forward to the next ladle & playing against tui again. i hope in a balanced 8 vs 8 and on either zmans or wrtl, just simply because those 2 servers are the ones who dont go nuts when there are 20+ players on it :) (16 playing + spec & exchange players).

;Legit
: Oh kenny dont give me that bs that i didnt see what was goin on, i was in spectator mode the whole time watching around. Im not even in the tui match so what are you sayin i loose sum i loose sum? Kno whats going on first before you open that little minded mouth of yours. And as for speed, you obviously dont play fortress much as looking at how you play or know how i play. And as to what durka says is 100% tru and woudl be even be a harder match vs them if it were in a US server. Congrats to TUI on doin what ya did. Theres the congrats from me.

;PsYkO
: Thx max and rico

;k3nNy
: i think you played for tm legit? and i think tm lost the semis? btw i didnt open my mouth 1 single time while i was writing this. i can imagine you writing with your mouth wide open though xD. well back to the topic: as long as there is no us server which doesnt go nuts with 20+ players, there will no finals be played there i think. i c no reason to do that. same for 2020 server, that one goes nuts too with too many players, well the finals arent played there either are they. i can remember the finals of the 5th ladle, which even were moved after start from 2020 to zmans? btw the ping doesnt make a that huge difference as you guys are acting it does.

;Legit
: I never complained about my match about loosing, ive been talking about the tui vs sp match. You know dam well you needed the winzone and them holes or you wouldnt have survived that close of a game maybe 100-50 if your lucky but in a US server would be even worse for you cause of course european servers get overruled all the time cause SOME european people like you bitch about how laggy it always is for you in our servers and dont ever think about the fact how it is for us in your servers and deal with it all the time so now you can think of how the score would have been for tui in a us server then in a european server even when they made it a close enuff game in euro server xD .

;[[User:Sasha|Sasha]]
: Wow! WTF R U talking about? Lets see who will win the next one: Ladle 8! About holing: for me its a part of the _classic_fortress_ game (see server settings and shut up or tell something to server admin). About win-zone: the same answer. My opinion: holes can be used and winzone must be used (of course its fun for those who are playing, but not for the others who are just sitting and watching fuckin stupid square defense and attackers doing nothing).
: Specially for those who sad "holing is for n000bz, winzone is guyzone" I want to say: "Then n00bz own you! HA-HA-HA!" ;)
: Ok, after all I sad, I want to say that I also think that we won doubly/foul (dunno english well, choice the right word).
To team X: Great game, good team, I want to face you again.
To TuI: It was fun to play with "numbers" :) I also want to meet you on grid again.
To Legit: shut up sometimes :)
To Durka: test
To 2020: organize something like madmax sad, please.

== Previous Feedback ==

*[[Ladle-1/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-2/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-3/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-4/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-5/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-6/Feedback]]

== Previous Results ==
Sixth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
| [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="4" | 1
| rowspan="8" | [[Team somethingsomething]]
|-
| [http://www.oops-clan.org/ °°ps] || 0
|-
|team 3 || n/a
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || rowspan="2" | 0
|-
| [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || bye
|-
| [[Tronic Monkeys]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Tronic Monkeys]] || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || n/a
|-
| [[Team somethingsomething]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
| team 8 || n/a
|}

Fifth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|team 1 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | WS || rowspan="2" | bye
| rowspan="4" | WS || rowspan="4" | 2
| rowspan="8" | team TM
|-
|team 2 || N/A
|-
|team 3 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | PKC || rowspan="2" | n/s
|-
|team 4 || N/A
|-
|team 5 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TM || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | TM || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || N/A
|-
|team 7 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TuI || rowspan="2" | 1
|-
|team 8 || N/A
|}

Fourth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|WPN || 2
| rowspan="2" | wpn || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | ho || rowspan="4" | 0
| rowspan="8" | proNoobz
|-
|tm || 0
|-
|none || N/A
| rowspan="2" | ho || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|ho || '''bye'''
|-
|st || 2
| rowspan="2" | st || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | pN || rowspan="4" | 2
|-
|ws || 0
|-
|pN || bye
| rowspan="2" | pN || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|TiP || n/s
|}

Third Ladle:

{{Ladle-7}}

Ladle Feedback

2007-01-09T07:24:44Z

213.33.137.138: /* Feedback for the Seventh Ladle */

{{Ladle-7}}

Please write your comments below about your experience of the event. You can also add comments about how it could be better... This information may be useful for anyone who tries to do such a thing again... We have to discuss stuff so that decisions made...

== Feedback for the Seventh Ladle ==
;Legit
: For starters, that was the worst ladle ive ever played. We organized a team and then when we played all positions etc... were all fucked up and hyphy i asked him to lay off def cus hes always too close and he still does it and fucked def once again. And as for redice little oops noob tking our whole team, at least 5 players in one round! And was unfair for that and also because the admin wasnt very good at locking a server cause some noob joined our team and fucked our whole team up as well. all this i will probably not play for TM anymore. And as for the finals was pretty good match to watch but tui was definantly the better team as watching how SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone. It was also funny when SP members would tell tui people to stfu and talk shit to them when they won but was also funny when pysko got all mad when someone got in his def and said it was a bullshit win for tui, next ladle should be handled better then this one.

;2020
: I forgot I was meant to be harsher with team entry. Most of us gathered and got the team organised. Then we started our game again TuI, and hyph refused to stay in midfield and got involved with def. I tried to tighten us up as a team, and for the first time issued a threat... which didn't go well with some members of the team who weren't aware of the havoc at the back. We lost the first match. And in the second, new players entered the server, a player using a familiar team name team-killed, and wrtl was constantly asked to admin the game -- and he was our defender! I didn't get into any kind of groove, played like a noob. What a mess.
:No idea what to do. I try to make it as clear as possible on the challenge board, and people seem confused about when it starts etc. I canjust about handle that, but not try to organise a team as well. I just want to play in a good game!!!!!!!!
;[[User:Durka|Durka]]
:The organization was a bit spectacle this time because of the games being delayed by 45 minutes. Otherwise everything went smoothly.

:About the finals, I didn't really care that it was 6 on 8 and they had a 2 man advantage, but what really pissed me off, was that it was 1-1 and in the 3rd match while the score was 76-70 their lead, the winzone popped up. We even had a one man advantage I belive at that point. They took the winzone and that boosted the score to 86-70. We could have easily won that match. Then, to top it off, they holed me (I was def) and went in and got the zone (using their 2 man advantage made it quite impossible to stop them while in the zone). Them winning that match completely turns around the entire finals. Instead of being 2-1 us, its 2-1 them. Then, in the 4th match, it was definately getting close, and it was 96-88 in the final round, and for the 10th time in the finals, I got holed by ~*SP*~ and they took the match.

:My point I'm trying to make is that:
:*There should be no winzone what so ever
:*I know we've talked about this before, but as long as a team gets at least 5 or 6 players there, the other team should at least cut 1 person. I'm fine with a one-man advantage & I'm also fine with a two-man advantage, or even 3, but if they use those extra men to hole the defense 10 times throughout 4 matches, then that (in my mind) is a bit unfair.

;'''Rico'''
:I dont mind doing it in a reg game, but in a serious tourney, when I'm trying to def against 4 attackers, I dont take kindly to the rest of the opposing team spamming me with messages to put me off. I'd have ignored them, but when theres so much spam it takes up half your screen and you have to play with only 10 fps anyway, it kinda pissed me off.

:Not that I was playing well anyway as it happens, but when I'm subject to "omg, our def sucks, alex you made us lose" etc etc criticism from my OWN TEAM because I was being distracted multiple ways... I do happen to get annoyed.

:Whatever, I'll still be taking part in some events in the future. Just remind me to silence the WHOLE of the opposition.

;AshitakA
:I just want to admit that it wasn’t redice, who played at the end. He abused his name like 2020 already said. What a bummer! He hadn’t the courage to make it with his own name. Anyway, for the next ladle I want to mention the idea to let teams also play for the 3rd and 4th or 5th and 6th place. It wouldn’t take much more time, because they play at the same time as the final would be. At the moment there are enough fort server online to realise this idea. Maybe you can include it into the ladle system.

;k3nNy
:Sp had a good setup, a good team with good team organisation. i think it is sad that no one here can gratulate sp for winning the ladle but instead some of you are searching for excuses why sp shouldnt have won the ladle. first: legit. hey dude, you say sp wasnt good as tui? i think thats kinda odd when you watch the field domination sp had during the finals. sp played with 2-3 defensive players and they didnt have much to do. sp was playing with 5 offensive players. so if you count those 5 offensive players + the defensive tui players you get quite much players dont u? so isnt it then a logical outcome that there is a quite high percentage for the defence of being holed by a dying player? so legit, tell me 1 person who wouldnt use a hole in the finals of the ladle. "SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone" --> this sounds for me that u accuse sp for holling on purpuse, which wasnt at all.
:well then about the winzone... first of all: as always i think it should be disabled too.
:then to the situation: durka, it was a 2 on 2 situation, 1 sp attacking against 2 doubledefending tuis (which made it impossible for the attacker to do sth), 1 sp staying in the back in case the attacker dies. how long did that situation last? how long could it have been lasting. well i was the one in the back, probably grinding myself for the 30st time in a row, waiting for sth to happen. first i thought aw dam winzone wth are you doin here. then i thought what the heck. so i think the first time i took a winzone because i was gettin that bored back in there! i just wanted that round to be over, i didnt care if tui would have taken it.
:oh and back to legit again: sp members well telling tui members to shut up because they were whining non stop. its a ladle final, so please be a man, play it and loose it or win it. congratulations sps!
:btw. exept i think the winzone should be disabled by default, i think this ladle was fine as usual.

;Legit
:LoL kenny, fine speech but TUI is definantly were better players. Just by knowing some of the members in tui and i dont even know most of them and i knew all SP that were playing TUI has definantly better team. Who did you have? Pysko and Sasha and uhh who else...? LoL anyways, if you were so bored of the ladle match and wanted to get the winzone then why the fuck are you playing in the ladle if its boring?!?! You had a player HellBlade who didnt even get to play and wanted to and you sat there being bored playin it when someone else in your clan could had actually enjoyed it? Your excuses are lame and you know you were afraid sp was going to loose cause TUI was a better team that why you really got the winzone.

;fr34ky
:LoL Legit, nice offenses but SP just won with all allowed methods, using no cheats. Holes were allowed, so we used them...a Winzone was there too, k3nNy used it and i agree with him! At first...it's really boring back there, and you know why it was boring? - No, not because Ladle is so boring, it was because no TuI attacked us...and why didnt they attack us? Hmmm, i think you know the answer. Oh and k3nNy had no chance to see any TuI not using the winzone...so he couldnt know TuI didnt want to use it. Congratulations Speeders, nice Ladle for us and certainly many other Players (except you Legit :->)
:greets, fr34ky

;k3nNy
:you must have been in another match legit, because i didnt have one single time the feeling tui was going to win. they had a good comeback to 1-1 but that was it. sp was the best team yesterday, because they acted like a team. good teamplay etc. made us strong. we didnt care about "players" like you do. everyone had their job, and everyone did it great. the reason why hellblade couldnt play is because he is an offensive player too, and we were already playing with 5 offensive players with psyko and me in defence (and obli), though we are normally both offensive players too. still i wont force anyone in a good playing team to sit out.
:and to you legit, please stop your whining and complaining all the time. that prejudiced whining of you is goin on my nerves. if you loose you loose, then stand to it. maybe you will win next time again, who knows. but stop that prejeduce stuff like: oh sp used holes, they certainly did that on purpurse. oh k3nny said he got bored that round, in that case he certainly thought the whole ladle was boring ?!? if you dont get it dude, go and watch the replay of that round, maybe in 10 years you will understand it when ur mature enough.

;'''Rico'''
:Funny that no-one has replied to my comment about the purposeful distractions. Of course it doesn't matter, as all of you would deny it anyway.

:Anyway, grats, even though winzoning is the lamest way to win ever, just an unparallelled level of chicken-ness. And ok, holing is fine, but when its like 5 on 1 and someone holes on purpose, thats annoying. As a defender, I have to deal with it all the time.

:Thats my piece, any comments about the purposeful distractions would be much appreciated. Thanks

;PsYkO
:How about a "congratz"?

;madmax
:First of all, congratz. I pretty much know nothing more about what happened so...
:The main thing I see is that always playing a knockout competition is not a good thing. It gets too... usual. I think some kind of championship competition and making the ladles more spaced (two/threee months maybe more?) would be a nice idea.
:I think in a knockout system it sure proves who was the best team then, but hey, what if a team who lost one game would win against all other teams? What if they were having a bad day? Having a championship (point based) would be IMHO a good idea. Perhaps that whole thought of "Kings Of the Grid"... After all, theres already a domain :)
:Also, it would benefit teams that consistently make good games, not only "that day" with "that conditions" with "..."
;Speed
Legit will you ever stop complaining and whining o they holed o they did this o is that a 2 yr old i hear talking legit because it sures sounds like one...
Legit also who are you to say people suck whenever i see you in a game its lag killed me omg i just slipped or someother bs excuse i have never seen you once do a spectacular move to win a match, now you slag of redice out of oops is that because they rejected you when you tryed joining them hmmm i wonder.
Save your complaints for people who care and btw when your good then i think you may have a leg to stand on atm you got a damn toothbrush.

;Rico
:Read my post before psyko, i did say grats ;)

;Omega
ROFL TUI
The first round we won where it was a 4 on 2. 1 attacker died and made a hole and the other attackers didnt go through. But instead waited till they had dumped the sweeper into his won def, and then went through that hole, you where even then calling us holers etc. You guys where making excuses every round.......

Durka 76-70 so what, whose to say you would have won. Statistically accounting for the match ending 3-1, you would have lost. I remember the 2 ladles ago the 5th which TM won i remember final match we were down 70-92 and we still won, so saying we would have easily won etc is nonsense as anything can happen. This reminds me of WPN etc, you guys are both like immature little children who cant take losing at all.
And @alex who was spamming you, tell me and ill sort em out.
:;Durka
::Are you kidding me? The winzone is a 20 point spin. 10 points for you guys which made it 86-70. It could have been 80-76. Then again, I would have liked to see you guys beat us that round considering the fact that thru 6 matches in the Ladle, I only got pwnd twice, & the 2 people that got by me from SP had already died. I'm not being cocky, but I always like a challenge and that would have been fun.
::Forgetting all of this, I know it was our fault, but look what kenny said above. They had 5 people attacking. Well, we only had 6 players total (again, this was our fault). So, you expect us to play agressive being 2 men down each round. That's similar to having like a 4 on 2 and having the team with 2 be on the attack. It makes no sense. When we played you guys in the last ladle and beat you guys, all you said was, well we didn't have Psyko or Whatup. Yes, Psyko & Whatup helped you a lot this ladle, but if we had brought 2 more players, then it would have gotten interesting and we would have been more on the attack. We look forward to rematching you guys, but with a full team this time. O, and how about the thought of playing in a US server? I'd like to see Viper, Cyclo, Kenny, Sasha, & Omega with pings like what I usually get :)
;k3nNy
:i think that round of the winzone stuff wasnt that match deciding. it was more important who was goin to win the round after that one. you could have equalized to about 90-86 or if it would have been the otherway round we could have gone from 80-76 to about 92-86. still, i hope we wont have that situation in future again. in case the zone doesnt get turned off, teams could tell before the matches each other they wont use it, then it should be np too.
:its true our field domination was partially that high because of the higher number of players. still the rules of the ladle arent very strict, so it should be no problem for a team to get it full actually. thats why i am against cutting players in the ladle if the other team hasnt enough. make sure you have 9-10 and it should be no problem.
:about that whatup and psyko & last ladle stuff. we didnt loose the last ladle because they werent here. we lost it because the organisation was bad & the setup was totally wrong. this ladle we played the semis against x. and they were strong i can tell u. they filled their team with players like pavelo. psyko didnt even play yet & whatup took cyclos place because he didnt show up either. in case whatup also wouldnt have been there we still had a great center attacker in hellblade. so, we won it 2-0 then. then to the finals: psyko got a spot in the team & got defender. but as we had 5 attackers and your team was (forced) playing defensive, we didnt have had much to do back there. so psyko wasnt very much involved. so i can tell u: we didnt win because whatup was playing & later psyko too, but because the teamplay etc. was great. thats far more important. i dont c team somethingsomething win because of 1 or 2 players either. they won because they were a great team. and i also dont c pings deciding the matches. btw those 2 players who made the difference in your opinion were "highpingers" from us too. :)
:well i look forward to the next ladle & playing against tui again. i hope in a balanced 8 vs 8 and on either zmans or wrtl, just simply because those 2 servers are the ones who dont go nuts when there are 20+ players on it :) (16 playing + spec & exchange players).

;Legit
: Oh kenny dont give me that bs that i didnt see what was goin on, i was in spectator mode the whole time watching around. Im not even in the tui match so what are you sayin i loose sum i loose sum? Kno whats going on first before you open that little minded mouth of yours. And as for speed, you obviously dont play fortress much as looking at how you play or know how i play. And as to what durka says is 100% tru and woudl be even be a harder match vs them if it were in a US server. Congrats to TUI on doin what ya did. Theres the congrats from me.

;PsYkO
: Thx max and rico

;k3nNy
: i think you played for tm legit? and i think tm lost the semis? btw i didnt open my mouth 1 single time while i was writing this. i can imagine you writing with your mouth wide open though xD. well back to the topic: as long as there is no us server which doesnt go nuts with 20+ players, there will no finals be played there i think. i c no reason to do that. same for 2020 server, that one goes nuts too with too many players, well the finals arent played there either are they. i can remember the finals of the 5th ladle, which even were moved after start from 2020 to zmans? btw the ping doesnt make a that huge difference as you guys are acting it does.

;Legit
: I never complained about my match about loosing, ive been talking about the tui vs sp match. You know dam well you needed the winzone and them holes or you wouldnt have survived that close of a game maybe 100-50 if your lucky but in a US server would be even worse for you cause of course european servers get overruled all the time cause SOME european people like you bitch about how laggy it always is for you in our servers and dont ever think about the fact how it is for us in your servers and deal with it all the time so now you can think of how the score would have been for tui in a us server then in a european server even when they made it a close enuff game in euro server xD .

;[[User:Sasha|Sasha]]
: Wow! WTF R U talking about? Lets see who will win the next one: Ladle 8! About holing: for me its a part of the _classic_fortress_ game (see server settings and shut up or tell something to server admin). About win-zone: the same answer. My opinion: holes can be used and winzone must be used (of course its fun for those who are playing, but not for the others who are just sitting and watching fuckin stupid square defense and attackers doing nothing).
: Specially for those who sad "holing is for n000bz, winzone is guyzone" I want to say: "Then n00bz own you! HA-HA-HA!" ;)
Ok, after all I sad, I want to say that I also think that we won doubly/foul (dunno english well, choice the right word).
To team X: Great game, good team, I want to face you again.
To TuI: It was fun to play with "numbers" :) I also want to meet you on grid again.
To Legit: shut up sometimes :)
To Durka: test
To 2020: organize something like madmax sad, please.

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== Previous Results ==
Sixth Ladle:
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! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
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| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
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| [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="4" | 1
| rowspan="8" | [[Team somethingsomething]]
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| [http://www.oops-clan.org/ °°ps] || 0
|-
|team 3 || n/a
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || rowspan="2" | 0
|-
| [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || bye
|-
| [[Tronic Monkeys]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Tronic Monkeys]] || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || n/a
|-
| [[Team somethingsomething]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
| team 8 || n/a
|}

Fifth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|team 1 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | WS || rowspan="2" | bye
| rowspan="4" | WS || rowspan="4" | 2
| rowspan="8" | team TM
|-
|team 2 || N/A
|-
|team 3 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | PKC || rowspan="2" | n/s
|-
|team 4 || N/A
|-
|team 5 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TM || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | TM || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || N/A
|-
|team 7 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TuI || rowspan="2" | 1
|-
|team 8 || N/A
|}

Fourth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|WPN || 2
| rowspan="2" | wpn || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | ho || rowspan="4" | 0
| rowspan="8" | proNoobz
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|tm || 0
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|none || N/A
| rowspan="2" | ho || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|ho || '''bye'''
|-
|st || 2
| rowspan="2" | st || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | pN || rowspan="4" | 2
|-
|ws || 0
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|pN || bye
| rowspan="2" | pN || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|TiP || n/s
|}

Third Ladle:

{{Ladle-7}}

Ladle Feedback

2007-01-09T07:24:06Z

213.33.137.138: /* Feedback for the Seventh Ladle */

{{Ladle-7}}

Please write your comments below about your experience of the event. You can also add comments about how it could be better... This information may be useful for anyone who tries to do such a thing again... We have to discuss stuff so that decisions made...

== Feedback for the Seventh Ladle ==
;Legit
: For starters, that was the worst ladle ive ever played. We organized a team and then when we played all positions etc... were all fucked up and hyphy i asked him to lay off def cus hes always too close and he still does it and fucked def once again. And as for redice little oops noob tking our whole team, at least 5 players in one round! And was unfair for that and also because the admin wasnt very good at locking a server cause some noob joined our team and fucked our whole team up as well. all this i will probably not play for TM anymore. And as for the finals was pretty good match to watch but tui was definantly the better team as watching how SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone. It was also funny when SP members would tell tui people to stfu and talk shit to them when they won but was also funny when pysko got all mad when someone got in his def and said it was a bullshit win for tui, next ladle should be handled better then this one.

;2020
: I forgot I was meant to be harsher with team entry. Most of us gathered and got the team organised. Then we started our game again TuI, and hyph refused to stay in midfield and got involved with def. I tried to tighten us up as a team, and for the first time issued a threat... which didn't go well with some members of the team who weren't aware of the havoc at the back. We lost the first match. And in the second, new players entered the server, a player using a familiar team name team-killed, and wrtl was constantly asked to admin the game -- and he was our defender! I didn't get into any kind of groove, played like a noob. What a mess.
:No idea what to do. I try to make it as clear as possible on the challenge board, and people seem confused about when it starts etc. I canjust about handle that, but not try to organise a team as well. I just want to play in a good game!!!!!!!!
;[[User:Durka|Durka]]
:The organization was a bit spectacle this time because of the games being delayed by 45 minutes. Otherwise everything went smoothly.

:About the finals, I didn't really care that it was 6 on 8 and they had a 2 man advantage, but what really pissed me off, was that it was 1-1 and in the 3rd match while the score was 76-70 their lead, the winzone popped up. We even had a one man advantage I belive at that point. They took the winzone and that boosted the score to 86-70. We could have easily won that match. Then, to top it off, they holed me (I was def) and went in and got the zone (using their 2 man advantage made it quite impossible to stop them while in the zone). Them winning that match completely turns around the entire finals. Instead of being 2-1 us, its 2-1 them. Then, in the 4th match, it was definately getting close, and it was 96-88 in the final round, and for the 10th time in the finals, I got holed by ~*SP*~ and they took the match.

:My point I'm trying to make is that:
:*There should be no winzone what so ever
:*I know we've talked about this before, but as long as a team gets at least 5 or 6 players there, the other team should at least cut 1 person. I'm fine with a one-man advantage & I'm also fine with a two-man advantage, or even 3, but if they use those extra men to hole the defense 10 times throughout 4 matches, then that (in my mind) is a bit unfair.

;'''Rico'''
:I dont mind doing it in a reg game, but in a serious tourney, when I'm trying to def against 4 attackers, I dont take kindly to the rest of the opposing team spamming me with messages to put me off. I'd have ignored them, but when theres so much spam it takes up half your screen and you have to play with only 10 fps anyway, it kinda pissed me off.

:Not that I was playing well anyway as it happens, but when I'm subject to "omg, our def sucks, alex you made us lose" etc etc criticism from my OWN TEAM because I was being distracted multiple ways... I do happen to get annoyed.

:Whatever, I'll still be taking part in some events in the future. Just remind me to silence the WHOLE of the opposition.

;AshitakA
:I just want to admit that it wasn’t redice, who played at the end. He abused his name like 2020 already said. What a bummer! He hadn’t the courage to make it with his own name. Anyway, for the next ladle I want to mention the idea to let teams also play for the 3rd and 4th or 5th and 6th place. It wouldn’t take much more time, because they play at the same time as the final would be. At the moment there are enough fort server online to realise this idea. Maybe you can include it into the ladle system.

;k3nNy
:Sp had a good setup, a good team with good team organisation. i think it is sad that no one here can gratulate sp for winning the ladle but instead some of you are searching for excuses why sp shouldnt have won the ladle. first: legit. hey dude, you say sp wasnt good as tui? i think thats kinda odd when you watch the field domination sp had during the finals. sp played with 2-3 defensive players and they didnt have much to do. sp was playing with 5 offensive players. so if you count those 5 offensive players + the defensive tui players you get quite much players dont u? so isnt it then a logical outcome that there is a quite high percentage for the defence of being holed by a dying player? so legit, tell me 1 person who wouldnt use a hole in the finals of the ladle. "SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone" --> this sounds for me that u accuse sp for holling on purpuse, which wasnt at all.
:well then about the winzone... first of all: as always i think it should be disabled too.
:then to the situation: durka, it was a 2 on 2 situation, 1 sp attacking against 2 doubledefending tuis (which made it impossible for the attacker to do sth), 1 sp staying in the back in case the attacker dies. how long did that situation last? how long could it have been lasting. well i was the one in the back, probably grinding myself for the 30st time in a row, waiting for sth to happen. first i thought aw dam winzone wth are you doin here. then i thought what the heck. so i think the first time i took a winzone because i was gettin that bored back in there! i just wanted that round to be over, i didnt care if tui would have taken it.
:oh and back to legit again: sp members well telling tui members to shut up because they were whining non stop. its a ladle final, so please be a man, play it and loose it or win it. congratulations sps!
:btw. exept i think the winzone should be disabled by default, i think this ladle was fine as usual.

;Legit
:LoL kenny, fine speech but TUI is definantly were better players. Just by knowing some of the members in tui and i dont even know most of them and i knew all SP that were playing TUI has definantly better team. Who did you have? Pysko and Sasha and uhh who else...? LoL anyways, if you were so bored of the ladle match and wanted to get the winzone then why the fuck are you playing in the ladle if its boring?!?! You had a player HellBlade who didnt even get to play and wanted to and you sat there being bored playin it when someone else in your clan could had actually enjoyed it? Your excuses are lame and you know you were afraid sp was going to loose cause TUI was a better team that why you really got the winzone.

;fr34ky
:LoL Legit, nice offenses but SP just won with all allowed methods, using no cheats. Holes were allowed, so we used them...a Winzone was there too, k3nNy used it and i agree with him! At first...it's really boring back there, and you know why it was boring? - No, not because Ladle is so boring, it was because no TuI attacked us...and why didnt they attack us? Hmmm, i think you know the answer. Oh and k3nNy had no chance to see any TuI not using the winzone...so he couldnt know TuI didnt want to use it. Congratulations Speeders, nice Ladle for us and certainly many other Players (except you Legit :->)
:greets, fr34ky

;k3nNy
:you must have been in another match legit, because i didnt have one single time the feeling tui was going to win. they had a good comeback to 1-1 but that was it. sp was the best team yesterday, because they acted like a team. good teamplay etc. made us strong. we didnt care about "players" like you do. everyone had their job, and everyone did it great. the reason why hellblade couldnt play is because he is an offensive player too, and we were already playing with 5 offensive players with psyko and me in defence (and obli), though we are normally both offensive players too. still i wont force anyone in a good playing team to sit out.
:and to you legit, please stop your whining and complaining all the time. that prejudiced whining of you is goin on my nerves. if you loose you loose, then stand to it. maybe you will win next time again, who knows. but stop that prejeduce stuff like: oh sp used holes, they certainly did that on purpurse. oh k3nny said he got bored that round, in that case he certainly thought the whole ladle was boring ?!? if you dont get it dude, go and watch the replay of that round, maybe in 10 years you will understand it when ur mature enough.

;'''Rico'''
:Funny that no-one has replied to my comment about the purposeful distractions. Of course it doesn't matter, as all of you would deny it anyway.

:Anyway, grats, even though winzoning is the lamest way to win ever, just an unparallelled level of chicken-ness. And ok, holing is fine, but when its like 5 on 1 and someone holes on purpose, thats annoying. As a defender, I have to deal with it all the time.

:Thats my piece, any comments about the purposeful distractions would be much appreciated. Thanks

;PsYkO
:How about a "congratz"?

;madmax
:First of all, congratz. I pretty much know nothing more about what happened so...
:The main thing I see is that always playing a knockout competition is not a good thing. It gets too... usual. I think some kind of championship competition and making the ladles more spaced (two/threee months maybe more?) would be a nice idea.
:I think in a knockout system it sure proves who was the best team then, but hey, what if a team who lost one game would win against all other teams? What if they were having a bad day? Having a championship (point based) would be IMHO a good idea. Perhaps that whole thought of "Kings Of the Grid"... After all, theres already a domain :)
:Also, it would benefit teams that consistently make good games, not only "that day" with "that conditions" with "..."
;Speed
Legit will you ever stop complaining and whining o they holed o they did this o is that a 2 yr old i hear talking legit because it sures sounds like one...
Legit also who are you to say people suck whenever i see you in a game its lag killed me omg i just slipped or someother bs excuse i have never seen you once do a spectacular move to win a match, now you slag of redice out of oops is that because they rejected you when you tryed joining them hmmm i wonder.
Save your complaints for people who care and btw when your good then i think you may have a leg to stand on atm you got a damn toothbrush.

;Rico
:Read my post before psyko, i did say grats ;)

;Omega
ROFL TUI
The first round we won where it was a 4 on 2. 1 attacker died and made a hole and the other attackers didnt go through. But instead waited till they had dumped the sweeper into his won def, and then went through that hole, you where even then calling us holers etc. You guys where making excuses every round.......

Durka 76-70 so what, whose to say you would have won. Statistically accounting for the match ending 3-1, you would have lost. I remember the 2 ladles ago the 5th which TM won i remember final match we were down 70-92 and we still won, so saying we would have easily won etc is nonsense as anything can happen. This reminds me of WPN etc, you guys are both like immature little children who cant take losing at all.
And @alex who was spamming you, tell me and ill sort em out.
:;Durka
::Are you kidding me? The winzone is a 20 point spin. 10 points for you guys which made it 86-70. It could have been 80-76. Then again, I would have liked to see you guys beat us that round considering the fact that thru 6 matches in the Ladle, I only got pwnd twice, & the 2 people that got by me from SP had already died. I'm not being cocky, but I always like a challenge and that would have been fun.
::Forgetting all of this, I know it was our fault, but look what kenny said above. They had 5 people attacking. Well, we only had 6 players total (again, this was our fault). So, you expect us to play agressive being 2 men down each round. That's similar to having like a 4 on 2 and having the team with 2 be on the attack. It makes no sense. When we played you guys in the last ladle and beat you guys, all you said was, well we didn't have Psyko or Whatup. Yes, Psyko & Whatup helped you a lot this ladle, but if we had brought 2 more players, then it would have gotten interesting and we would have been more on the attack. We look forward to rematching you guys, but with a full team this time. O, and how about the thought of playing in a US server? I'd like to see Viper, Cyclo, Kenny, Sasha, & Omega with pings like what I usually get :)
;k3nNy
:i think that round of the winzone stuff wasnt that match deciding. it was more important who was goin to win the round after that one. you could have equalized to about 90-86 or if it would have been the otherway round we could have gone from 80-76 to about 92-86. still, i hope we wont have that situation in future again. in case the zone doesnt get turned off, teams could tell before the matches each other they wont use it, then it should be np too.
:its true our field domination was partially that high because of the higher number of players. still the rules of the ladle arent very strict, so it should be no problem for a team to get it full actually. thats why i am against cutting players in the ladle if the other team hasnt enough. make sure you have 9-10 and it should be no problem.
:about that whatup and psyko & last ladle stuff. we didnt loose the last ladle because they werent here. we lost it because the organisation was bad & the setup was totally wrong. this ladle we played the semis against x. and they were strong i can tell u. they filled their team with players like pavelo. psyko didnt even play yet & whatup took cyclos place because he didnt show up either. in case whatup also wouldnt have been there we still had a great center attacker in hellblade. so, we won it 2-0 then. then to the finals: psyko got a spot in the team & got defender. but as we had 5 attackers and your team was (forced) playing defensive, we didnt have had much to do back there. so psyko wasnt very much involved. so i can tell u: we didnt win because whatup was playing & later psyko too, but because the teamplay etc. was great. thats far more important. i dont c team somethingsomething win because of 1 or 2 players either. they won because they were a great team. and i also dont c pings deciding the matches. btw those 2 players who made the difference in your opinion were "highpingers" from us too. :)
:well i look forward to the next ladle & playing against tui again. i hope in a balanced 8 vs 8 and on either zmans or wrtl, just simply because those 2 servers are the ones who dont go nuts when there are 20+ players on it :) (16 playing + spec & exchange players).

;Legit
: Oh kenny dont give me that bs that i didnt see what was goin on, i was in spectator mode the whole time watching around. Im not even in the tui match so what are you sayin i loose sum i loose sum? Kno whats going on first before you open that little minded mouth of yours. And as for speed, you obviously dont play fortress much as looking at how you play or know how i play. And as to what durka says is 100% tru and woudl be even be a harder match vs them if it were in a US server. Congrats to TUI on doin what ya did. Theres the congrats from me.

;PsYkO
: Thx max and rico

;k3nNy
: i think you played for tm legit? and i think tm lost the semis? btw i didnt open my mouth 1 single time while i was writing this. i can imagine you writing with your mouth wide open though xD. well back to the topic: as long as there is no us server which doesnt go nuts with 20+ players, there will no finals be played there i think. i c no reason to do that. same for 2020 server, that one goes nuts too with too many players, well the finals arent played there either are they. i can remember the finals of the 5th ladle, which even were moved after start from 2020 to zmans? btw the ping doesnt make a that huge difference as you guys are acting it does.

;Legit
: I never complained about my match about loosing, ive been talking about the tui vs sp match. You know dam well you needed the winzone and them holes or you wouldnt have survived that close of a game maybe 100-50 if your lucky but in a US server would be even worse for you cause of course european servers get overruled all the time cause SOME european people like you bitch about how laggy it always is for you in our servers and dont ever think about the fact how it is for us in your servers and deal with it all the time so now you can think of how the score would have been for tui in a us server then in a european server even when they made it a close enuff game in euro server xD .

;[[User:Sasha|Sasha]]
: Wow! WTF R U talking about? Lets see who will win the next one: Ladle 8! About holing: for me its a part of the _classic_fortress_ game (see server settings and shut up or tell something to server admin). About win-zone: the same answer. My opinion: holes can be used and winzone must be used (of course its fun for those who are playing, but not for the others who are just sitting and watching fuckin stupid square defense and attackers doing nothing).
Specially for those who sad "holing is for n000bz, winzone is guyzone" I want to say: "Then n00bz own you! HA-HA-HA!" ;)
Ok, after all I sad, I want to say that I also think that we won doubly/foul (dunno english well, choice the right word).
To team X: Great game, good team, I want to face you again.
To TuI: It was fun to play with "numbers" :) I also want to meet you on grid again.
To Legit: shut up sometimes :)
To Durka: test
To 2020: organize something like madmax sad, please.

== Previous Feedback ==

*[[Ladle-1/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-2/Feedback]]
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*[[Ladle-4/Feedback]]
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*[[Ladle-6/Feedback]]

== Previous Results ==
Sixth Ladle:
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! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
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| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
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| [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="4" | 1
| rowspan="8" | [[Team somethingsomething]]
|-
| [http://www.oops-clan.org/ °°ps] || 0
|-
|team 3 || n/a
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || rowspan="2" | 0
|-
| [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || bye
|-
| [[Tronic Monkeys]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Tronic Monkeys]] || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || n/a
|-
| [[Team somethingsomething]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
| team 8 || n/a
|}

Fifth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|team 1 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | WS || rowspan="2" | bye
| rowspan="4" | WS || rowspan="4" | 2
| rowspan="8" | team TM
|-
|team 2 || N/A
|-
|team 3 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | PKC || rowspan="2" | n/s
|-
|team 4 || N/A
|-
|team 5 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TM || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | TM || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || N/A
|-
|team 7 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TuI || rowspan="2" | 1
|-
|team 8 || N/A
|}

Fourth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|WPN || 2
| rowspan="2" | wpn || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | ho || rowspan="4" | 0
| rowspan="8" | proNoobz
|-
|tm || 0
|-
|none || N/A
| rowspan="2" | ho || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|ho || '''bye'''
|-
|st || 2
| rowspan="2" | st || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | pN || rowspan="4" | 2
|-
|ws || 0
|-
|pN || bye
| rowspan="2" | pN || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|TiP || n/s
|}

Third Ladle:

{{Ladle-7}}

Ladle Feedback

2006-11-08T10:37:31Z

213.33.137.138: /* Feedback for the Fifth Ladle */

{{Ladle-5}}

Please write your comments below about your experience of the event. You can also add comments about how it could be better... This information may be useful for anyone who tries to do such a thing again... We have to discuss stuff so that decisions made...

== Feedback for the Fifth Ladle ==

;[[User:2020|2020]]
:Amazing games. Tronic Monkeys, a group of non-affiliated players along the lines of Anarchic Wanderers, managed to scrape a win both at the Semi and the Final. Tronner under the Influence played brilliantly, took the first match, lost a little concentration in the second, and turned in on themselve in the third deciding match. I thought they had better players and when they attacked, it was fearsome. For some reason I ended up the solitary sweeper quite often, not a good position for a team to be in, and we lost half the match because of it. But they got worried in the third and started to play defencively; I think this was their mistake.
:Against Wraith Squadron, it was a super tight game. There seems to be a pattern, once a team exerts itself, winning a match, the normally relax a little and lose the next match. WS won the first, lost the second, won the third, lost the fourth, and I suspect the only reason they lost the fifth is because one of their members disappeared. Superb skills. As usual, I end up an observer, marvelling at the skills of the players.
:Organisation was much simpler, and I prefer it that way. No need to now who is in what team, just teams turn up and play. There was a lot of argument before the game with TuI because they wanted to start early, but I am glad I stuck to the time schedule because our last teammate turned up 10mins before the official start. There was also a lot of argument about 4v4 since they only had four players whereas I was happy to accept players to have as large a game as possible. Eventually we agreed on 5v5, but actually we ended up with 6 I think. I have to say, if a team fields less than 8 that is their problem. They should not bully the opponents into playing with less numbers. However, if a team wishes to reduce their number, then it is their choice, in order to make the game more balanced. I think it worked out ok. I suggest that organised clans make up their numbers. This is an 8v8 game. I think these numbers make the game more exciting.
:Players for Tronic Monkeys were: One, Rain, Legit, Joda, Zop, Redice, Wrtlprnft, Sasha, Kenny, Omega across the two games.
;[[User:Durka|Durka]]
:One word: Zop
:I don't think that it's right to pick up players that happen to be in the server if they haven't signed up for the Ladle, or don't even know about it. We wanted to play with just our players. I think the most unfair part was this: There were 6 registered/past Tronic Monkeys in the server. We started out with 5 vs 4. BUT! It was 4 Tronic Monkeys AND ZOP. I didn't understand why they would take Zop (besides the fact that he's amazing) when there were 2 other Tronic Monkeys that sat out. O well, Zop wasn't very effective the first match. Legit kept going thru the middle in the 2nd match. It was 88-88 (or something like that) in the 2nd match with TuI leading 1-0. We were one round away from going to the finals. Legit, yet again, went thru the middle and got into my def. The 3rd match was chaos. We were better playing 4 vs 5 because our 5th player messed us up on several occasions, but we felt we had to have him play to even out the teams. Gradually, each of the Ladle's are getting more organized. Well done yet again 2020.
:2 concerns
:1. cycle_rubber_wall_shrink
::Definately more than half of the people wanted that feature on. Every fortress server online has that feature. Bugfarm had it also. So, for about 3 months, everyone has gotten used to that feature. Sadly, rain refused to turn it on and that greatly affected not only my team, but everyone's play.
:2. win zone/death zone
::One of the rounds in the first match was so boring. It was just me and Zop and Zop basically gave up trying to get in my defense. He kept making a half-circle around my def. It was about a 2 minute "battle" between us. I was going to commit suicide because it was so boring. How about a death zone that expands?

:::I agree about zop :)... and was not aware of the mayhem that legit caused :)... As for tronic monkeys: if you go to the team page there is one registered tronic monkey, one, the rest just ask to play and only three others wrote their names on the challenge board... i wasn't aware of the other tronic monkeys, which is not my fault if they don't communicate with their team-mates. Regarding wall-shrink, the default is 0.5 i believe [edit: for 2020 team challenge server]... Regarding win zone: we've had talks about it, and you are right about the final battle 1v1... but i was in one at the end of the third match against WS and i was attacking, died and lost the match for us... it is part of the drama, I think. Imagine a whole game after an hour's play being decided by 1v1... you tell me that's not exciting... I believe it can be a battle of attrition, and though you may think it boredom, I am not sure how long you can last with someone like Zop circling... it is like a seige... I find them fascinating sometimes… —[[User:2020]]
:::If it's 2v1 and there's a winzone, don't wine about wanting to suicide, just take the damn thing and get it over with. The expanding deathzone just leads to extreme camping, trying to huddle in some edge of the map and trying to stay alive for as long as you can.
:::The default setting for CYCLE_RUBBER_WALL_SHRINK is 0. After z-man initially created it it was set to 0.5 for a while, once we released a client with support for it he set it to 1, which is the “correct” value, as that will make your own wall end “feel” like someone else's. —[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 03:20, 7 November 2006 (CST)
;[[User:Sasha|Sasha]]
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First Tronic Ladle

2006-09-05T17:08:02Z

213.33.137.138:

This is a record of who played who, when and where; players, teams and captains; the sweat, the tears, the grind, the cuts...

'''Shadow League beat Wraith Squadron in straight matches (2-0) in the final.'''

'''They beat Anarchic Wanderers in a nail-biting climax after going down in the first match (2-1) in the semi-finals.'''
*It was a close game. A very close game. Garrisimo was playing like a man on fire, but this still didn't prevent Shadow League from taking our zone once too often. They came back from first match loss, and in the third match, they came from behind to reach a nail-biting 98-98... well done! I played like a noob, and the rest of my team carried me. Next time... Shadow League... next time.... [[User:2020|2020]] 2nd July 2006

* In the first match, zop (who was playing for AW) was doing his usual speed-grinding thing towards or right side and by sheer bad luck, in the confusion of everyone shuffling around, our second (Ossi) and third defender (meriton) were both starting on the left side, whereas our goalie (Sasha) started on the right (IIRC), but due to sealing the center lane ended up on the left as well. To make matters worse, the other players on the right side did not realize they had no defender on their side or simply could not handle zop's speed grind: They grinded until the last moment, only to be surrounded by the speed-grinding zop, who then directly proceeded to insert himself (and a few friends of his ;) in our zone. Until we finally realised what went wrong, the match was nearly over, with us very much behind. I then shuffled over to the right and - by virtue of splitting real early - managed to delay zop until sasha had had a chance to setup. From then on, the teams were very evenly matched, but with the lead AW had gained, the first match went to them. The second match saw some very close fighting among great players, I don't recall much except - for the first time I can recall - feeling dwarfed by the great skill surrounding me. Both teams fought well, and as the last round arrived, it became clear that whoever won this round would win the match (both teams were slightly above 90 points IIRC). Luckily for SL, they made it, avoiding to drop out of the tournament by a very narrow margin. The third and final match started with a few rounds going to AW, and again every outcome was possible. After fierce fighting on both sides, both team got more than 90 points at the beginning of the last round (IIRC, it was 96 : 94 for AW). After some minutes, it was 98:96 for AW, and AW began to hunt our weaker players. In doing so, they left their goalie (garisimo) alone, and I was able to slip through to him. I used a standard speed attack, and trying not to leave me any space while still hiding behind his wall, garisimo tripped over his tail, and I was able get inside and claim the zone. At about the same time, one of our attackers got one of his pursuers, so the final score was 110:98 for SL.

:On our side, I could chiefly assess the performance of our defense team, were Sasha was a class of his own. Surrounded by 3 players, among which zop and lacka, he managed to hold them off for minutes, never leaving a gap, reclaiming all reachable space, and frequently killing them with his wall's edges. I was also able to assess the performance of AW's attack, which was humbling in its skill and coordination. Especially zop, who was chiefly responsible for AW's victory in the first match and AW's near victory in the second match, but also lacka and the others who provided who got there slower, but were no less effective once they were close. Never on the grid have I seen such skill, determination, and cooperation, and I can say that it would have been no shame at all to have to have lost that game to AW. [[User:Meriton|Meriton]] 14:54, 2 July 2006 (CEST)

*Well, the first match was intense, I was playing sweeper and helping def untill there were only two enemys left,then I would attack (though the offense didnt really need me, heh). This was a pretty close match, it was (I think) 100 something to 80 something for AW. Unfortunetley this was the only match I got to play, after this one my connection went insane, I couldnt even play a full round without getting disconected. I did get to see the last half of the last round, of the last match where it was 98 AW, 96 SL with SL taking it in the end with a zone capture. Congrats! --[[User:Vanhayes|Vanhayes]] 21:20, 3 July 2006 (ATL)

*The first match things were really chaotic for SL. the first 3 matches we played with 6 people so things went a lot slower. i was only able to get a few kills the first 2 matches because id keep getting beat trying to sweep or id make a stupid mistake. the second match we were able to pick up the pace and calm down a little. i think that was a relief to all the players cuz that first loss came so fast and i definetly wasnt expecting it to end that quickly. and then the final match we just did the same thing. i was able to get much more kills the final round. but when i died and it was just two SL's left. i got scarreeeedd. but badzilla did his thing and broke the defense. i wasnt able to see our defense but im sure they were putting up a huge fight also during those last few seconds. overall just a really tought battle. and the last two matches we were able to cut it close with comebacks. sky

*The best matches were SL vs AW. The others were not so hard and so intense. I felt nervous all these 3 matches, so sometimes did stupid mistakes and comited suicide before the meeting with enemy (AW) attackers. However when I met them I did my best. My wife sat near me and squealed each time I lost round...It was fun. I want to give many thanks to Ossi and meri who helped me defend. Also I want to give thanks to the others of my team and to great AW team for such intresting and realy good matches. Sasha

'''They beat Lords of Destruction in straight matches (2-0) in the quarter finals.'''

*.:thankyou. we played our best and i think the others would agree, AW gave us all a '''very''' difficult and stressful match. although we were missing belenus infamous and maverik. meriton and road came on the spot. and badzilla played very well in the AW match. sasha played very nice defense and Ossi played good as sweeper. Mayday and Man2d came in the finals and also played very nicely. and then Choco sub'd in for sasha later that match. thankyou meriton, badzilla, ossi, may.day, man2d, road, sasha, choc, and nazgul for coming to the events. this also goes to show you that there are plenty of nonclan players who know their stuff. To the teams that we did not play: if you guys would like to play us to see how u fare. find me in the games and we'll try to work something out. and thanks 2020 and the others for organizing this tournament. it was a lot of fun:. sky

=== The Full Results of the First Ladle ===
Please write as much info as you know and any game comments you wish to add...

==== Quarter-finals ====
'''Anarchic Wanderers v Speeders at Z-man's Ladle (2-0)'''

The Anarchic Wanderers were Zop, Eggcozy, Nii, Garissimo, Hay-linn, Vanhayes, Lackadaisical and 2020.

The Speeders were Psyko, What-up, Speed, Xell, Blackfang, Joda.bot, Oblivion, and Kenny.

* Tough game, and I think we caught them cold. With the best of 3, there is not much room for mistakes. Zop I think played well, and somehow he and my team-mates managed to penetrate Psyko's defence. The midfield was amazing. The skill level high. As part of the defence, it was amazing playing with Eggcozy and Vanhayes... and with Garissimo at the back doing his contracting and expanding, we kept them back for ages giving our offence time to do their magic. I was surprised how fast it went. [[User:2020|2020]] 2nd July 2006

* I gotta say Defense was amazing with these Matches, you couldnt ask for better there. I didnt see much of the Offense since I was sweeping, but with Zop, Lackadaisical, and evryone I can guess how it went. Good matches --[[User:Vanhayes|Vanhayes]] 21:25, 3 July 2006 (ATL)

'''Wraith Squadron v LØL at Bugfarm Fortress (2-1)'''

* Round 1: LØL 84 - WS 106
* Round 2: LØL 100 - WS 22
* Round 3: LØL 78 - WS 100

Wraith Squadron were BlAzE, Kamakazi, Manta, Me, upacreek.
Guest stars: Spidey (Only reason Wraith Squadron won)

LØL were Wildcat, Chuck, JJBean, G5, Legit, and Durka came in at the 10th round of the 3rd match. Guest stars: Luck and Man2d.

The WS and LØL teams agreed to just have a fun and enjoy the game. 6 vs. 6 players.
Do to there only being 2 ladle servers online we were forced to default to the ever active Bugfarm fortress server. This caused quite a bit of confusion with visiting players joining the match. Kindly, most willingly left or stayed as spectators. As a note it would be nice to have more fortress servers available to chose from next tournament.

'''Lords of Destruction v Shadow League at LoD Lords of Destruction Clanserver (0-2)'''

The Lords of Destruction were...

The Shadow League were...

'''Crazy Tronners were not represented so they got into the next round...'''

==== Semi-finals ====

'''Anarchic Wanderers v Shadow League at Z-man's Ladle (1-2)'''

[[Image:SLvsAW.jpg]]

The Anarchic Wanderers were Zop, Vanhayes, Garissimo, Eggcozy, Haylin, Lackadaisical, 2020, and Durka.

The Shadow League were Road66, Sky, Ossi, Man2d, Meriton, Badzilla, Mayday, and Sasha.

*(see Congratulations above) We were missing several of our regulars... Ghableska, Madmax, Featherfcuk, TBL... but we did ok in the end with some phenomenal players wearing the [AW] tag. Amazing amount of skill. [[User:2020|2020]] 2nd July 2006

'''Wraith Squadron v Crazy Tronners at Bugfarm Fortress (CT do not turn up)'''

==== Finals ====

'''Wraith Squadrn v Shadow League at Z-man's Ladle (0-2)'''

* Round 1: 48 - 106... Round 2: 62 - 108

* The Shadow League were: Road66, Sky, Ossi, Man2d, Meriton, Badzilla, Mayday, Sasha and Choco who substituted for Sasha

* Wraith Squadron were: BlAzE, Kamakazi, Manta, Me, upacreek, rain

All members of WS would like to congratulate Shadow League on their well earned victory. Their members played an excellent game. WS must admit to being a bit surprised at finishing as the #2 ranked team since we were almost dropped from the tournament for being to small.

I would like to thank those who joined WS in the finals so we could match SL at 7 vs 7. Due to the hectics of the moment I forget who you were but thank you. Since we had not practiced together previously we lost our team cohesion and suffered many team kills, but otherwise did very well considering the quality of players we faced.