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TuI AFL

2007-06-15T14:08:00Z

24.82.112.103: /* '''[http://tui.owns.it TuI]''' */

== '''[http://tui.owns.it TuI]''' ==

**TuI DIeded*

TuI AFL

2007-06-05T15:08:28Z

24.82.112.103: /* '''[http://tui.owns.it TuI]''' */

== '''[http://tui.owns.it TuI]''' ==

* Durka
* Sky
* Goodygumdrops

Ladle-12/Results

2007-06-04T23:03:14Z

24.82.112.103: /* Feedback for the Twelfth Ladle */

{{Ladle-12}}

Write a report on your games, exciting play, team-tactics... and also include any feedback on how to improve the tournament!

== Feedback for the Twelfth Ladle ==

;2020
:even the feedback is a little messy too...
:i didn't make it until it was too late... so i got locked out of the server that tm was playing... damn... still, recorded the final and will play around with it to produce a vid...
:as for the last ladle, although it was messy, somehow players got it together to play some games... the messiest it has been for a while, but that was because a player mucked about with the brackets which i don't think has happened since one of the first ones when durka went a bit pro-active...
:i'd like to set up a discussion thread on the forum, not so much for feedback, but for feedforward. I'd rather not repeat the kind of argument i had with players over a year ago when they said self-organising wouldn't work, that we can't trust players, etc. I think we have proven that the principle of self-organising does work, that we have to design tournaments that make use of virtual parameters and not import meat-side traditional organisations... I think rain best demonstrates the new paradigm with his incam tournament; since we can't enforce the incam cockpit, we rely on trust and honour... I hope we can participate in a discussion on what we can do, prioritise, and how best to improve us.
:When it comes down to it, I applaud the players determination and trust. They said it couldn't happen, and we managed a year of tournaments. Well done all players!

* ''' G5, Your other player zop wasnt even there when it started, it was 7 vs 7 and ur player never showed til the 2nd match. Thats besides the point u lost even worse when u had 8 vs 7 advantage in the end.

* '''Negative:''' This whole tournament stinks. The guidelines clearly state that a team is 8 members. If you dont have 8 it is your problem. TM was not able to play with 8 players because the X chickens had only 7 players. Come on, we played 5 vs 8 before. Boo on you, X! --G5

* °°ps versus tui was nice. well, i really do not know how was the "talking behaviour" of tui, since i silenced them all at start (as i usually do in ladles), but the game was nice. they won 2-0, the first match was really close and well played by both teams, in second we lost our mojo and we lost quickly. surely °°ps needs to work on some things but im quite satisfied. i hope we could get the ladle one day. i have no complain. good games. :) [[rain|rain]]

'''Rico ~ '''
The organisation left a little to be desired I found, with posts on the forums and edits on the challenge board right up until the match. This led to confusion over who was playing when and where.

In our first match, we played against SP, which we agreed was to be a 7 vs 7. We won 2 quite close matches, both around 100-70, and advanced to the semis where we would play TM. We again won in 2 matches, playing well together as a unit and completely whitewashing the 2nd match around 100-20.

@ G5 : Your team leader agreed to a 7v7, so please dont complain at us...

The final was against TuI who had beaten oops 45 minutes previously. They had plenty of time to take breaks and practise, yet a couple still insisted on delaying cos they needed a piss. Which was a little irritating but none the less, we pulled off from around a 92-80 defecit to win 100-98. We then promtly won the 2nd match around 100-70, starting to work together better in attack to pick off the sweepers. Halfway through the 2nd match, one TuI-er had to leave because of lag issues and another left and never returned. We were then playing with an advantage, but during match 3 Lackadaisical helped out and brainherpes rejoined, so they clawed back from around 80-50 only to lose 100-96.

Great matches everyone, now bring on the AFL ;)

* "Rico: The organisation left a little to be desired I found, with posts on the forums and edits on the challenge board right up until the match. This led to confusion over who was playing when and where." Organization was clear for everyone who joined #arma-ladle. I posted several times a detailed list of matches/time/place and edited as needed the challange board. unfortunately someone, psyko i think, at one point decided to edit the wiki without asking anybody. i had to re-edit it. next time be sure to have at least one representant player for each team in #arma-ladle channel. [[rain|rain]]

* Have to agree with rain here. I did say a number of times what was happening and it was quite clear to me what was going on(because i was on irc). - Sticky

*PsYkO I don't know if anyone noticed, but I looked on the challenge board last night and I saw that the way that it was set up SP would go straight to the finals. I then contacted 2020 and told him what I was doing, he agreed, and then I clarified it on aa.net. I'm sorry that others things got screwed up, it's kind of a double negative because if I had just went along with my business everyone would be complaining that SP was able to go straight to the finals.

*No one can complain about that, it's not your fault all the other teams stupidly sign up on the same side of the table. --[[User:MaZuffeR|MaZuffeR]] 16:59, 3 June 2007 (PDT)

* I'm 172 dollars on the way to that million for you MaZ hahaha --[[User:~*PsYkO*~|~*PsYkO*~]]

* In my eyes it was completely a mess today. It started after i got up and sb told me tm would play together with sp, so we have 4 teams in total. (The day before i told everyone we only play the finals, which are at 9pm) But ok, as i knew we had additionally 2 players of tm (2020 & pez @ that time) i managed easily to inform 6-7spers we will play at 8.15. So i got offline doin some other stuff and planned to be online at 7.30. well ok i got home earlier (luckily) and the first thing i heard: we play the quaters against x! Well then the shit began, i knew we were at least 2 players short and that there is a high risk, that a few will come too late. So freaky and i started to inform our ppl as far as we could. The match against x then was most of the time 6 vs 7 (i got no clue who the 7nt player in alex eyes is, but that doesnt matter). Luckily some spers showed up on random, and a few didnt make it at 7.30, because they didnt knew it was earlier.. So what i am trying to say with this boring long story is that the challenge board rly should be locked totally, at least 4-5 hours before the ladle. Well in addition to that mess came that ladle cafe had no admin and the settings were terrible: winzone, 16 players max, no shuffling up (that was really terrible, its hard to switch pos. around with shuffling up, it just gets a mess then), autojoin of players who joined the server,... Well ok im looking forward to the AFL and the next ladle season & gz to x. - k3nNy

* Agreed, every ladle it seems there are administration problems. I run SpeederS server right now, I would be glad to admin one of the servers for the next season if need be. - psicko

;Durka
:The only reason the 1st match against °°ps was so close was because I got holed 4 out of the 1st 7 rounds. They didn't hole the rest of the matches and only won one round afterwards.
:Actually Rico, feather got disconnected in the 1st match when we were killing you guys. Then he tried to rejoin, but Z-Man wasn't even there. All the meanwhile, our shuffling positions got messed up. We lost 4 straight cheap rounds in a row and you guys barely won the first match despite a 7 vs 5 advantage.
:The 2nd match was just as retarded, but again, it came down to the last round IIRC.
:The 3rd match we had 7 vs 4. We lost the 1st 2 rounds but then came back to jump ahead. Lacks and Feather were finally able to play, but only for 2 rounds.
:Again, despite a 3 man advantage, it came down to the final round.
:Too many things to say about this ladle. Gratz |x|.

;Legit

Durka in the last match i spectated because you were complaining too much.

;G5

:This is the real G5. Very funny. Check wiki history. And to clear one point: Zop did not show because he could not enter the server. He could after I offered my slot and left the game. I talked to Zop on IRC during the game – ask him! (Otherwise I totally agree with "my" comment up there.)

* I wonder what is the point of playing a fortress tournament like the ladle if you, durka, already know tui is the best clan. topics (complains) are always the same: holes, teams imbalance, server admin required, main organization. actually i can help with last point taking care of ladles main organization, if you like. as you know im admin of "test server" aka ladle café for the ladle, so if needed i'll admin it as i did yesterday. about holes and team imbalance i think we should decide some rules physics related. i mean you cannot forbid to hole since holes are in game physics or you cannot decide which is a "good" hole and which is a "bad" one. so, lets choose explosion_radius 1 or 0 and fix it as a standard of fortress and that is all. about imbalance we can decide ladle is a 8 players competition, in this way teams will play with players they have even if "unfair", or we can decide that teams have to be balanced, so smaller team has the number of players that other team has to use. first will cause unfair games (considering most teams are not well organized), second will cause some players to be not able to play or to have to switch while playing (= confusion). anyway, fixed those few rules, i don't think our "complaining" problem will be solved. i think there are some step in this game: [1] learn to play; [2] learn to lose; [3] learn to win; [4] learn to tie. and it seems someone lost the 2nd and most of us lost the 4th. this cause the 3rd step is not natural too. i mean that if you didn't learn to lose and to respect the winner, you'll never learn to win really. a winner is who temporary got to the objective, and this should be clear in its mind. so if you didn't leanr to lose, as a winner you will not respect back who respected you first (losers) and you will show just as a team/player with a good technique and no honour. obviously the tie is the final step. it means the point at players/teams understood the real aim of playing a tournament, have fun. [[rain|rain]]

*There's always been complaining, at least it's been decreased to two teams each ladle. I think it asserts itself from not being able to admit defeat imo. Also IMO, decreasing the hole radius so holes are smaller or no existent is as much as degrading fortress as changing the rubber to 7.

;JJBean
:Gratz to X, 3-0 victory over TuI wd. Once again TuI loses and only has excuses to why they lost, I grew tired of this and left, hope i can join another team for AFL. @ Durka holes are part of the game get used to it, they have been there since the start, the settings for them should not be changed. Fort is just fine how it is right now

;'''Rico'''
: Looks like you werent the only person to quit TuI, JJ

;Psyko
: SP is looking for one or two fortress members =X

;Rico
: I was talking about me, Psyko, and I doubt JJ is willing to return to SP at any time soon

;JJBean
:Yeah I think 4 of us left TuI, me Luzi ossi and X. Each said nearly the same things about why they where quiting. As for joining sp i doubt they would take me, and anyway I'm going to be gone for the entire summer and most of september so there isn't any point in me looking for a team now. I'll just wait until i come back and see what's going on

== Previous Winners ==

The [[Ladle-11/Results|Eleventh Tronic Ladle]] was won by Fogies with Wheelchairs on Sunday 6th May

The [[Ladle-10/Results|Tenth Tronic Ladle]] was won by [http://tui.owns.it TuI ~ Tronners Under the Influence] on Sunday 1st April

The [[Ladle-9/Results|Ninth Tronic Ladle]] was won by [[Team somethingsomething]] on Sunday 4th March

The [[Ladle-8/Results|Eighth Tronic Ladle]] was won by [http://tui.owns.it TuI ~ Tronners Under the Influence] on Sunday 4th February

The [[Ladle-7/Feedback|Seventh Tronic Ladle]] was won by Speeders on Sunday 7th January

The [[Ladle-6/Feedback|Sixth Tronic Ladle]] was won by [[Team somethingsomething]]

The [[Ladle-5/Feedback|Fifth Tronic Ladle]] was won by [[Tronic Monkeys]] in a closely fought final on 5th November 2006

The [[Ladle-4/Feedback|Fourth Tronic Ladle]] was won by proN00bz on 1st October 2006.

The First [[4 Team Fortress Tourney 1|4 Team Fortress Tournament (4TFT)]] was won by [http://crazy-tronners.com Crazy Tronners (CT)] on Sunday, September 17th, 2006

The [[Ladle-3/Feedback|Third Tronic Ladle]] was won by [[Ladle Winners|Anarchic Wanderers]] on 3rd September 2006.

The First [[International_Tron_World_Cup|Tron World Cup]] took place in July and August 2006 and was won by the United Kingdom. Full scores of the matches are available on the [http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/ Official TWC Site]

The [[Ladle-2/Feedback|Second Tronic Ladle]] was won by [[Ladle Winners|Anarchic Wanderers]] on 29th August 2006.

The [[Ladle-1/Feedback|First Tronic Ladle]] was a fortress tournament with seven teams and was won by [[Ladle Winners|Shadow League]] on 1st July 2006.

The [[THE SPOON|Tronic Spoon]] was a fortress tournament of 87 players arranged into 8 and was won by [[Team somethingsomething]] in March 2006.
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{{:Ladle/Results}}

Ladle-12/Challenge Board

2007-06-03T01:14:27Z

24.82.112.103: /* Fortress Challenge Board */

{{Ladle-12}}

The Challenge Board is designed to make the pairing of teams easy for Sunday 3rd June with finals at 9pm UTC. You might wish to create a wiki page of for your team or place expected teammates in brackets on the Challenge Board.
'''We are still attempting to have runners up! If your team loses, continue into the semis, and the winners of these will meet in the runners-up final.'''

{| border="2" cellpadding="2" style="text-align:center"
! || UTC/GMT || PST || EST
|-
| '''Quarter Finals''' || 7:30pm || 12:30pm || 3:30pm
|-
| '''Semi Finals''' || 8:15pm || 1:15pm || 4:15pm
|-
| '''Finals''' || 9pm || 2pm || 5pm
|-
|}

All Challenge Boards are locked at 0:00 am UTC on the day of the event Sunday 3rd June.

== Fortress Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is... [http://tui.owns.it TuI] (Durka, SmAcK, ... ) <-- More to come
* Team 2 is... [http://www.oops-clan.org °°ps]
----
* Team 3 is... [http://www.xclan.net.tf -¦x¦-] [Rico, Flex, Legit, FoFo, $ubz, Hoax, Lazer...]
* Team 4 is... [[Tronic Monkeys]] ^TM (2020,Pez,...)
----
* Team 5 is... [http://sp-clan.com SP] (k3nNy, psyko, fr34ky, whatup, sasha, joda, ...)
* Team 6 is...
----
* Team 7 is...
* Team 8 is...

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! | Quarter Finals !! | Semi Finals !! | Final
|-
| style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM UTC || style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM UTC || style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM UTC
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | team 1
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ Z-mans Fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | team 2 || style="border-bottom:0px" | team 1/2
|-
||| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ Z-mans Fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | team 3 || style="border-top:0px" | team 3/4
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ Ladle Café''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | team 4 || style="border-bottom:0px" | || style="border-bottom:0px" | team 1/2/3/4
|-
| style="border-right:0px" | || style="border-left:0px; border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px" | || style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ Z-mans fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | team 5 || style="border-top:0px" | || style="border-top:0px" | team 5/6/7/8
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ ¦x¦ Fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | team 6 || style="border-bottom:0px" | team 5/6
|-
| || style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0x" | '''@ wild-west fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | team 7 || style="border-top:0px" | team 7/8
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ wild-west fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | team 8
|}

== Speeders and Crazy Tronners Challenge Board ==

A similar tournament can be run for Speeders and for Crazy Tronners Fortress, to be run on the same day and at the same times. It just needs to be set up by players...

{{Ladle-12}}

Ladle-12/Challenge Board

2007-05-30T00:16:12Z

24.82.112.103: /* Fortress Challenge Board */

{{Ladle-12}}

The Challenge Board is designed to make the pairing of teams easy for Sunday 3rd June with finals at 9pm UTC. You might wish to create a wiki page of for your team or place expected teammates in brackets on the Challenge Board.
'''We are still attempting to have runners up! If your team loses, continue into the semis, and the winners of these will meet in the runners-up final.'''

{| border="2" cellpadding="2" style="text-align:center"
! || UTC/GMT || PST || EST
|-
| '''Quarter Finals''' || 7:30pm || 12:30pm || 3:30pm
|-
| '''Semi Finals''' || 8:15pm || 1:15pm || 4:15pm
|-
| '''Finals''' || 9pm || 2pm || 5pm
|-
|}

All Challenge Boards are locked at 0:00 am UTC on the day of the event Sunday 3rd June.

== Fortress Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is... [http://tui.owns.it TuI] (Durka, SmAcK,JJ the magnificent ... ) <-- More to come
* Team 2 is... [http://www.oops-clan.org °°ps]
----
* Team 3 is... [http://www.xclan.net.tf -¦x¦-] [Rico, Flex, Legit, FoFo, $ubz, ...]
* Team 4 is... [[Tronic Monkeys]] ^TM (2020,...)
----
* Team 5 is...
* Team 6 is...
----
* Team 7 is... [http://sp-clan.com SP] (k3nNy, ...)
* Team 8 is...

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! | Quarter Finals !! | Semi Finals !! | Final
|-
| style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM UTC || style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM UTC || style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM UTC
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | team 1
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ Z-mans Fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | team 2 || style="border-bottom:0px" | team 1/2
|-
||| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ Z-mans Fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | team 3 || style="border-top:0px" | team 3/4
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ fortress cafe''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | team 4 || style="border-bottom:0px" | || style="border-bottom:0px" | team 1/2/3/4
|-
| style="border-right:0px" | || style="border-left:0px; border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px" | || style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ Z-mans fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | team 5 || style="border-top:0px" | || style="border-top:0px" | team 5/6/7/8
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ ¦x¦ Fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | team 6 || style="border-bottom:0px" | team 5/6
|-
| || style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0x" | '''@ wild-west fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | team 7 || style="border-top:0px" | team 7/8
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ wild-west fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | team 8
|}

== Speeders and Crazy Tronners Challenge Board ==

A similar tournament can be run for Speeders and for Crazy Tronners Fortress, to be run on the same day and at the same times. It just needs to be set up by players...

{{Ladle-12}}

Ladle-11/Results

2007-05-08T19:08:04Z

24.82.112.103: /* Feedback for the Eleventh Ladle */

{{Ladle-11}}

Write a report on your games, exciting play, team-tactics... and also include any feedback on how to improve the tournament!

== Feedback for the Eleventh Ladle ==

;Rico

:First 2 rounds went well, ¦x¦ played quite well together as a team and we defeated TM in round 1, where 2020 had to go find some other players to help out at the last minute. That ended up 2-0, but then when it came to the second round we only had 6 players, and DS/oops had 8. 2020 and wrtlprnft helped us out, big thanks to them. We got through that, also 2-0.

:We then had to wait about 6 hours for the final, due to the TuI vs Mr Men match being delayed. When the Mr Men all arrived, they had 7 players, so wrtlprnft left and 2020 continued to help us out. During all this time as the server wasnt locked, random people kept joining and screwing up the teams, meaning the final got delayed even moreso. We went down 1-0 in the first match which was really close, like 100-94. Similar story in match 2, however subz' ping started going crazy due to other downloads through his router - thats why he left, as theres no point playing when you cant do anything with 600 ping. Being one-man down, we then lost the 2nd match to a quite similar score.

:It was here that some of things began to piss me off. As it was best of 5, there was one person playing as "Mr x", saying some things like, don't worry only one more match to go before we get out of here, in a really arrogant tone which pissed me off, as if to imply we wouldnt even stand a chance of winning one match (we didnt, but thats not the point). Then, considering who the players were (I found out after) I was even more shocked. Probably a team of the best euro players there is, and I was holed in practically every round. Now Ive got no problem with holing, but when its about 4 vs me and you just torpedo its fucking ridiculous. Considering the skill level of the players were against me they shouldnt have even needed to hole.

:I dont feel like we were defeated in the final, more just holed the fuck out of to try get everything over as quickly as possible.

;Lackadaisical

:We started as team 7, and tui was team 8 so we expected to start playing in the quarterfinals like the challengeboard said, but for one reason or another Durka had decided to start in semi's, which made our team and a big part of tui show up 45 minutes too early. This led to a lot of irritation and confusion (like random people shouting 'this match it starts!' even though we already waited 30 minutes and we knew durka would show up in another 15). Ofcourse durka didn't officially know who we were but he could've posted something on the forums, it would've saved us alot of misery. I'm just glad our team showed enough patience, I can't image the hell that would've broken loose if we would've forced tui to play at the assigned time.

:About Mr. x's comments: It's not something I would do, but it's 'just' trashtalk, during the heat of the battle people do it to stir the enemy up, get them out of focus. I guess you could say it's part of the game, plus you can always silence trashtalkers. That's what a big part of our team did. And I don't really see a big difference between what Mr. x said and what some people from |x| said to Omega when he showed up after the finals. Or maybe implying someone sucks is worse than just plainly saying it.

:I'm not sure what to say about the whole holing thing that hasn't been said already, but even some of the 'best'players agree that there are defs that are pretty much impossible to break.

;PsYkO

:Hi.

:Well, it was a fun ladle. Got a headache for about the 4th straight ladle due to playing TuI (You should feel lucky that you played against us then TuI, Rico) TuI played remarkedly well, probably the best they have ever played imo while I think we were a bit too confident. 1st match was a blow out, 2nd match was like 90-82 or something in our favor and TuI came back to win it 104-100 . And then the 3rd match was like 100-80 I think. I was defense and let me tell you, even in an American server, and I am an American I felt slides nearly once going around the zone (and I go around fast) which would kill me everytime if I did not expect it. I got penetrated about 3 to 4 times because I froze up for a second which left a gap leading to a victory for them. Knowing this, I can't imagine what all the euro players had to deal with. orange, red, and gold were fantastic sweepers. I normally hate sweepers but they made my job easy ;). The finals were a bit lopsided. Just knowing a few we had a damn good team going from playing in crappy conditions to semi-crappy conditions which will make you play better. (If you run long enough with 10 pound weights on your ankles, when you take them off your legs will run faster)

:Every ladle it seems there are complaints. Winzone this, holing that, trash talk blah. You don't have to see the winners as the best team, but you should see them as the team that played the best, this time. And then of course make it your duty to own them in the next ladle =D

;Rico

:Lack - I didnt see anything said to omega, who was it by? This was plainly because by the end of match 2 there were only about 5 people I hadnt silenced after getting pissed with Mr X and a number of others, including at least two members of my own team I think.

:Grats anyway, hopefully next ladle all the server will be private so theres no problems with random people joining. Maybe we could also start up a discussion about some new settings to rework some of the parts of the game which make people unhappy/pissed off, etc etc etc.

:Oh, and a big thanks to Legit and 2020 for helping us out this Ladle, and also to wrtlprnft who played for us vs oops + DS.

;PsYkO

:Dunno who it was by it was just shit talk against SP. I think everyone could care less including me but Lack is just saying that whatever X was saying was minor in comparison.

;Rico

:Okiedoke.

;[[User:Durka|Durka]]

:Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that 2020 has always said, that if there are only 2 teams on one side of the bracket (in this case TuI and FWW), then the first round is skipped. His reasoning for this was so that the winning team didn't have to wait 45 minutes in between the semi's and finals. This would also allow the entire competition for that team (in this case FWW) to only last 1:30 straight minutes rather than play for 45, break for 45, play again for 45. So, I was just going on past experiences. Sorry for the confusion.

:As for the matches, indeed, FWW got too cocky and we caught them by surprise the 2nd match. As usual, we (or I guess I) weren't prepared seeing as I got 1 round of warmup after rushing home. Then again, everyone was pissed off and wanted to start. Another problem I can see was the player limit. We were expecting FWW to show up with 5 players since they had only signed up with 5, but oh well. So, we ended up filling the server with 16 players. The big problem was, I was locked out and spammed my teammates aim/msn to tell them to get rid of one of our teammates so I could join. Then, we started playing and we had 8 players, but we did not know that Luzifer and Sky were locked out of the server. Then garisimo's connection dropped after the 3rd round or so. By that time, I'm guessing, Luzi and Sky had probably stopped trying to connect to the server. So, we ended up playing 7 on 8 vs FWW.

:This doesn't happen in Cafe of Z-Man's server since they allow 32 clients, we got to fix that for Wild West.

:Holes, heh, I've gotten holed everytime I've played the Ladle, so for FWW to hole me constantly over 3 matches wasn't surprising, but one thing really pissed me off. It was 4 on 2 (we had 2) and my defense was pretty big and my sweeper (don't remember who it was) was doing a great job. Then, I see their defense and sweeper attack. They grind eachother the length of the grid and torpedo into my defense. You can say that's good strategy, but, if a team has to torpedo me to win, it pretty much takes the fun out of it. Especially since this was near the beginning of the 3rd match. So instead of us getting a possible 10 points for winning the round, they get 10. Basically a 20 point swing. Then we /team messaged each other saying, "Hole them!" but then we all decided not to since we thought it showed poor sportsmanship.

:All in all, it was fun playing against a team consisting of: Lackadaisical, madmax, MaZuffeR, eggcozy, newbÎe, pavelo, PsYkO, & wHaTuP.

:Great competition and looking forward for a rematch.

;PsYkO
:It seemed to us that the ladle starts at 8:30 GMT and first bracket starts at 8:30 GMT, not 9:15. All of us seemed ready at around 8:45GMT but we were missing an admin. Correct me if I'm wrong but it was 8v8 throught he middle of round 2, and start of round 3 it was 8v8 again, I'm sure me and you should know this best because at the start of every round I'm circling and looking at how many from each team are alive. About you expecting 5 cuz only 5 were signed up. This is a bit sticky. See we did only have 5 signed up because it states that for a person to sign up they have to come to the challenge board and sign themselves up. This isn't strictly enforced but I can tell you that TuI also had 5 members, one hour later had like 10-12 members signed up =D lol. Holes are part of the game, I get holed by every single team in the ladle.
:The Reservoir Dogs will maybe make a return sometime in the future, but not for a whiiillleee.

;~ X ~
:Haha, I just loved the laddle. Before it started, everyone was saying we going to be playing against some of the 'best' European players (FFW), so we should practice as much as we can. Ha, what a joke that was! Rather than showing experience and their skills,which I was so looking forward to, it ended up as an opposite. The first two matches were great, the opposite team was doing incredible job, before I guess we pissed them off and caught them by surprise by winning the 2nd match. After that the whole hell turned lose. There wasn't no more competition, there was only one way one and one way only, HOLING! It seemed that our defense started screaming "DEF DOWN" more often every single match till the end. There was no more challenge left in the game except figuring on how to prevent our self's from getting holed. After a few rounds in game, the team also decides, why try to break a defense if we could just torpedo (in the middle of the game). Now that was a main highlight I'm guessing. Kind of guessing they really NEEDED to win no matter what at that point. There was no skills involved afterwards, only non-stop irritating holing. Sure I guess people say holes are part of the game and you should hole, but most do show some kind of decency of actually trying to win. I never saw any challenge we were suppose to have fighting against some of the most experienced players on tron, or maybe I'm just wrong, being one of the best players you got to be best at holing the other team, who knows, but I'm finding out more and more things. Instead I did figured out one thing during this laddle, is the next time we fighting some of the so called overrated 'best' players of tron, is to be prepared for non stop holing.

; egg
:Playing anonymous seems to lend itself more to all the name calling. In the final, I didn't even know who Mr. X and Mr. Blue was on my own team. Anonymity needs to be taken out of tourneys at some point in the distant future.
:I'm sure everything has been said already in arguments about holing ... maybe the team who is being holed should just not die. I'm sure thats been said.
:TUI is a good team, but their whole focus is on defense. There were times when they had 3 and we had 2, or just 2 on 2, and all they wanted to do was defend till we had one left. My connection was awful, the server was to put it nicely, not so great, and I was not in a position to do anything close to walls, but TUI insisted on playing turtle, putting me with my crappy connection up against two with American connections. They deserved every hole they received.
:
:In the future, remind me not to play on a team with even one player who thinks double grinding is a good thing. There was one on our team who insisted on being 2 or 3 and insisted on DG.
:Team Something Something is still the best team ever :-D

; PsYkO
:I've never won anything on this game where the opponent has admitted defeat =_= Ok TuI you are the best clan and best ladle team, you guys are teh pwn

;JJBean
: Psyko I still think it's funny you and whatup ditched your 'elite' speeders clan to play with the foggies. But it's even funnier that your 'elite' speeders clan couldn't even beat half of the oops clan and the other half rubber players. WD on the win, also wd to sp for being so awsomely good.

== Feedback for the Tenth Ladle ==

;2020
:TM got beaten soundly. SP were much better. Still, akira, g5, zman put up a good fight. There were a number of problems.
*my team just didn't get organised before the game, and i had to recruit last minute... that's my fault...
*at 7.30 I had five or six players, and sp kept on delaying for 25 mins... this just delays the entire thing... and they eventually played with 5 v our 4 later in the game when their players turned up... there is something dishonourable about this: play should start on time with whatever the numbers are...
*people calling for server admin is tedious... we've talked about locking servers, taking them off the main server list... we have to make a decision
*sometimes the final duel 1v1 can last forever... the skill level is so high... we may have to reduce rubber and increase acceleration accordingly... or do something with winzones or something... this might actually be a design fault with the settings as they are...
*maybe it i got the wrong impression, but is the general tone of the game-chat juvenile? without some older players adding a little gravitas, it is not only the chat that lowers in tone, but i think the games-man-ship also suffers... i think there are players and teams taking advantage of the player-organisation style of the ladle... without a certain respect, self-discipline in the setting up of the match, certain underhand tactics may arise...
:The semis and finals I saw had some incredible displays of individual skill... i hope players recommend good examples from either so i can locate them... i plan to produce a few vids :) Congratulations to the winners, TuI.
;PsYkO
:I showed up 5 minutes late and we hadn't started to play, that was surprising cuz it was 4v4 but then there were too many delays about not having an admin and people joining often. I had to in first round vs X :( cuz of personal issues. Congrats TuI clan
and also..u mentioned taping of the games..I was wondering if by any chance u taped SP v TM from ladle 9..there were 2 or 3 1v1s with me and max that were ridiculous
:: nope... when i playing, i can't record since on playback i can't manipulate the camera angle easily --[[User:2020|2020]] 10:17, 3 April 2007 (CDT)
;fr34ky
:I was ready at 7:10 GMT, but only me and Bloodthirsty were there (about 5 or more Player should've been there).Anyways, we MUST have an admin on every Ladle Server, cause it's impossible to play, when every minute some noob is joining and we only can kick them by vote. I would prefer no death- or winzone, but maybe like on CT's server, to increase the Speed/accel, decrease Rubber.
Gratulations to TuI and X. Both x matches were really close.

== Previous Winners ==

The [[Ladle-10/Results|Tenth Tronic Ladle]] was won by [http://tui.owns.it TuI ~ Tronners Under the Influence] on Sunday 1st April

The [[Ladle-9/Results|Ninth Tronic Ladle]] was won by [[Team somethingsomething]] on Sunday 4th March

The [[Ladle-8/Results|Eighth Tronic Ladle]] was won by [http://tui.owns.it TuI ~ Tronners Under the Influence] on Sunday 4th February

The [[Ladle-7/Feedback|Seventh Tronic Ladle]] was won by Speeders on Sunday 7th January

The [[Ladle-6/Feedback|Sixth Tronic Ladle]] was won by [[Team somethingsomething]]

The [[Ladle-5/Feedback|Fifth Tronic Ladle]] was won by [[Tronic Monkeys]] in a closely fought final on 5th November 2006

The [[Ladle-4/Feedback|Fourth Tronic Ladle]] was won by proN00bz on 1st October 2006.

The First [[4 Team Fortress Tourney 1|4 Team Fortress Tournament (4TFT)]] was won by [http://crazy-tronners.com Crazy Tronners (CT)] on Sunday, September 17th, 2006

The [[Ladle-3/Feedback|Third Tronic Ladle]] was won by [[Ladle Winners|Anarchic Wanderers]] on 3rd September 2006.

The First [[International_Tron_World_Cup|Tron World Cup]] took place in July and August 2006 and was won by the United Kingdom. Full scores of the matches are available on the [http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/ Official TWC Site]

The [[Ladle-2/Feedback|Second Tronic Ladle]] was won by [[Ladle Winners|Anarchic Wanderers]] on 29th August 2006.

The [[Ladle-1/Feedback|First Tronic Ladle]] was a fortress tournament with seven teams and was won by [[Ladle Winners|Shadow League]] on 1st July 2006.

The [[THE SPOON|Tronic Spoon]] was a fortress tournament of 87 players arranged into 8 and was won by [[Team somethingsomething]] in March 2006.
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2007-01-10T20:26:55Z

24.82.112.103: /* Feedback for the Seventh Ladle */

{{Ladle-7}}

Please write your comments below about your experience of the event. You can also add comments about how it could be better... This information may be useful for anyone who tries to do such a thing again... We have to discuss stuff so that decisions made...

== Feedback for the Seventh Ladle ==
;Legit
: For starters, that was the worst ladle ive ever played. We organized a team and then when we played all positions etc... were all fucked up and hyphy i asked him to lay off def cus hes always too close and he still does it and fucked def once again. And as for redice little oops noob tking our whole team, at least 5 players in one round! And was unfair for that and also because the admin wasnt very good at locking a server cause some noob joined our team and fucked our whole team up as well. all this i will probably not play for TM anymore. And as for the finals was pretty good match to watch but tui was definantly the better team as watching how SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone. It was also funny when SP members would tell tui people to stfu and talk shit to them when they won but was also funny when pysko got all mad when someone got in his def and said it was a bullshit win for tui, next ladle should be handled better then this one.

;2020
: I forgot I was meant to be harsher with team entry. Most of us gathered and got the team organised. Then we started our game again TuI, and hyph refused to stay in midfield and got involved with def. I tried to tighten us up as a team, and for the first time issued a threat... which didn't go well with some members of the team who weren't aware of the havoc at the back. We lost the first match. And in the second, new players entered the server, a player using a familiar team name team-killed, and wrtl was constantly asked to admin the game -- and he was our defender! I didn't get into any kind of groove, played like a noob. What a mess.
:No idea what to do. I try to make it as clear as possible on the challenge board, and people seem confused about when it starts etc. I canjust about handle that, but not try to organise a team as well. I just want to play in a good game!!!!!!!!
;[[User:Durka|Durka]]
:The organization was a bit spectacle this time because of the games being delayed by 45 minutes. Otherwise everything went smoothly.

:About the finals, I didn't really care that it was 6 on 8 and they had a 2 man advantage, but what really pissed me off, was that it was 1-1 and in the 3rd match while the score was 76-70 their lead, the winzone popped up. We even had a one man advantage I belive at that point. They took the winzone and that boosted the score to 86-70. We could have easily won that match. Then, to top it off, they holed me (I was def) and went in and got the zone (using their 2 man advantage made it quite impossible to stop them while in the zone). Them winning that match completely turns around the entire finals. Instead of being 2-1 us, its 2-1 them. Then, in the 4th match, it was definately getting close, and it was 96-88 in the final round, and for the 10th time in the finals, I got holed by ~*SP*~ and they took the match.

:My point I'm trying to make is that:
:*There should be no winzone what so ever
:*I know we've talked about this before, but as long as a team gets at least 5 or 6 players there, the other team should at least cut 1 person. I'm fine with a one-man advantage & I'm also fine with a two-man advantage, or even 3, but if they use those extra men to hole the defense 10 times throughout 4 matches, then that (in my mind) is a bit unfair.

;'''Rico'''
:I dont mind doing it in a reg game, but in a serious tourney, when I'm trying to def against 4 attackers, I dont take kindly to the rest of the opposing team spamming me with messages to put me off. I'd have ignored them, but when theres so much spam it takes up half your screen and you have to play with only 10 fps anyway, it kinda pissed me off.

:Not that I was playing well anyway as it happens, but when I'm subject to "omg, our def sucks, alex you made us lose" etc etc criticism from my OWN TEAM because I was being distracted multiple ways... I do happen to get annoyed.

:Whatever, I'll still be taking part in some events in the future. Just remind me to silence the WHOLE of the opposition.

;AshitakA
:I just want to admit that it wasn’t redice, who played at the end. He abused his name like 2020 already said. What a bummer! He hadn’t the courage to make it with his own name. Anyway, for the next ladle I want to mention the idea to let teams also play for the 3rd and 4th or 5th and 6th place. It wouldn’t take much more time, because they play at the same time as the final would be. At the moment there are enough fort server online to realise this idea. Maybe you can include it into the ladle system.

;k3nNy
:Sp had a good setup, a good team with good team organisation. i think it is sad that no one here can gratulate sp for winning the ladle but instead some of you are searching for excuses why sp shouldnt have won the ladle. first: legit. hey dude, you say sp wasnt good as tui? i think thats kinda odd when you watch the field domination sp had during the finals. sp played with 2-3 defensive players and they didnt have much to do. sp was playing with 5 offensive players. so if you count those 5 offensive players + the defensive tui players you get quite much players dont u? so isnt it then a logical outcome that there is a quite high percentage for the defence of being holed by a dying player? so legit, tell me 1 person who wouldnt use a hole in the finals of the ladle. "SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone" --> this sounds for me that u accuse sp for holling on purpuse, which wasnt at all.
:well then about the winzone... first of all: as always i think it should be disabled too.
:then to the situation: durka, it was a 2 on 2 situation, 1 sp attacking against 2 doubledefending tuis (which made it impossible for the attacker to do sth), 1 sp staying in the back in case the attacker dies. how long did that situation last? how long could it have been lasting. well i was the one in the back, probably grinding myself for the 30st time in a row, waiting for sth to happen. first i thought aw dam winzone wth are you doin here. then i thought what the heck. so i think the first time i took a winzone because i was gettin that bored back in there! i just wanted that round to be over, i didnt care if tui would have taken it.
:oh and back to legit again: sp members well telling tui members to shut up because they were whining non stop. its a ladle final, so please be a man, play it and loose it or win it. congratulations sps!
:btw. exept i think the winzone should be disabled by default, i think this ladle was fine as usual.

;Legit
:LoL kenny, fine speech but TUI is definantly were better players. Just by knowing some of the members in tui and i dont even know most of them and i knew all SP that were playing TUI has definantly better team. Who did you have? Pysko and Sasha and uhh who else...? LoL anyways, if you were so bored of the ladle match and wanted to get the winzone then why the fuck are you playing in the ladle if its boring?!?! You had a player HellBlade who didnt even get to play and wanted to and you sat there being bored playin it when someone else in your clan could had actually enjoyed it? Your excuses are lame and you know you were afraid sp was going to loose cause TUI was a better team that why you really got the winzone.

;fr34ky
:LoL Legit, nice offenses but SP just won with all allowed methods, using no cheats. Holes were allowed, so we used them...a Winzone was there too, k3nNy used it and i agree with him! At first...it's really boring back there, and you know why it was boring? - No, not because Ladle is so boring, it was because no TuI attacked us...and why didnt they attack us? Hmmm, i think you know the answer. Oh and k3nNy had no chance to see any TuI not using the winzone...so he couldnt know TuI didnt want to use it. Congratulations Speeders, nice Ladle for us and certainly many other Players (except you Legit :->)
:greets, fr34ky

;k3nNy
:you must have been in another match legit, because i didnt have one single time the feeling tui was going to win. they had a good comeback to 1-1 but that was it. sp was the best team yesterday, because they acted like a team. good teamplay etc. made us strong. we didnt care about "players" like you do. everyone had their job, and everyone did it great. the reason why hellblade couldnt play is because he is an offensive player too, and we were already playing with 5 offensive players with psyko and me in defence (and obli), though we are normally both offensive players too. still i wont force anyone in a good playing team to sit out.
:and to you legit, please stop your whining and complaining all the time. that prejudiced whining of you is goin on my nerves. if you loose you loose, then stand to it. maybe you will win next time again, who knows. but stop that prejeduce stuff like: oh sp used holes, they certainly did that on purpurse. oh k3nny said he got bored that round, in that case he certainly thought the whole ladle was boring ?!? if you dont get it dude, go and watch the replay of that round, maybe in 10 years you will understand it when ur mature enough.

;'''Rico'''
:Funny that no-one has replied to my comment about the purposeful distractions. Of course it doesn't matter, as all of you would deny it anyway.

:Anyway, grats, even though winzoning is the lamest way to win ever, just an unparallelled level of chicken-ness. And ok, holing is fine, but when its like 5 on 1 and someone holes on purpose, thats annoying. As a defender, I have to deal with it all the time.

:Thats my piece, any comments about the purposeful distractions would be much appreciated. Thanks

;PsYkO
:How about a "congratz"?

;madmax
:First of all, congratz. I pretty much know nothing more about what happened so...
:The main thing I see is that always playing a knockout competition is not a good thing. It gets too... usual. I think some kind of championship competition and making the ladles more spaced (two/threee months maybe more?) would be a nice idea.
:I think in a knockout system it sure proves who was the best team then, but hey, what if a team who lost one game would win against all other teams? What if they were having a bad day? Having a championship (point based) would be IMHO a good idea. Perhaps that whole thought of "Kings Of the Grid"... After all, theres already a domain :)
:Also, it would benefit teams that consistently make good games, not only "that day" with "that conditions" with "..."
;Speed
Legit will you ever stop complaining and whining o they holed o they did this o is that a 2 yr old i hear talking legit because it sures sounds like one...
Legit also who are you to say people suck whenever i see you in a game its lag killed me omg i just slipped or someother bs excuse i have never seen you once do a spectacular move to win a match, now you slag of redice out of oops is that because they rejected you when you tryed joining them hmmm i wonder.
Save your complaints for people who care and btw when your good then i think you may have a leg to stand on atm you got a damn toothbrush.

;Rico
:Read my post before psyko, i did say grats ;)

;Omega
ROFL TUI
The first round we won where it was a 4 on 2. 1 attacker died and made a hole and the other attackers didnt go through. But instead waited till they had dumped the sweeper into his won def, and then went through that hole, you where even then calling us holers etc. You guys where making excuses every round.......

Durka 76-70 so what, whose to say you would have won. Statistically accounting for the match ending 3-1, you would have lost. I remember the 2 ladles ago the 5th which TM won i remember final match we were down 70-92 and we still won, so saying we would have easily won etc is nonsense as anything can happen. This reminds me of WPN etc, you guys are both like immature little children who cant take losing at all.
And @alex who was spamming you, tell me and ill sort em out.
:;Durka
::Are you kidding me? The winzone is a 20 point spin. 10 points for you guys which made it 86-70. It could have been 80-76. Then again, I would have liked to see you guys beat us that round considering the fact that thru 6 matches in the Ladle, I only got pwnd twice, & the 2 people that got by me from SP had already died. I'm not being cocky, but I always like a challenge and that would have been fun.
::Forgetting all of this, I know it was our fault, but look what kenny said above. They had 5 people attacking. Well, we only had 6 players total (again, this was our fault). So, you expect us to play agressive being 2 men down each round. That's similar to having like a 4 on 2 and having the team with 2 be on the attack. It makes no sense. When we played you guys in the last ladle and beat you guys, all you said was, well we didn't have Psyko or Whatup. Yes, Psyko & Whatup helped you a lot this ladle, but if we had brought 2 more players, then it would have gotten interesting and we would have been more on the attack. We look forward to rematching you guys, but with a full team this time. O, and how about the thought of playing in a US server? I'd like to see Viper, Cyclo, Kenny, Sasha, & Omega with pings like what I usually get :)
;k3nNy
:i think that round of the winzone stuff wasnt that match deciding. it was more important who was goin to win the round after that one. you could have equalized to about 90-86 or if it would have been the otherway round we could have gone from 80-76 to about 92-86. still, i hope we wont have that situation in future again. in case the zone doesnt get turned off, teams could tell before the matches each other they wont use it, then it should be np too.
:its true our field domination was partially that high because of the higher number of players. still the rules of the ladle arent very strict, so it should be no problem for a team to get it full actually. thats why i am against cutting players in the ladle if the other team hasnt enough. make sure you have 9-10 and it should be no problem.
:about that whatup and psyko & last ladle stuff. we didnt loose the last ladle because they werent here. we lost it because the organisation was bad & the setup was totally wrong. this ladle we played the semis against x. and they were strong i can tell u. they filled their team with players like pavelo. psyko didnt even play yet & whatup took cyclos place because he didnt show up either. in case whatup also wouldnt have been there we still had a great center attacker in hellblade. so, we won it 2-0 then. then to the finals: psyko got a spot in the team & got defender. but as we had 5 attackers and your team was (forced) playing defensive, we didnt have had much to do back there. so psyko wasnt very much involved. so i can tell u: we didnt win because whatup was playing & later psyko too, but because the teamplay etc. was great. thats far more important. i dont c team somethingsomething win because of 1 or 2 players either. they won because they were a great team. and i also dont c pings deciding the matches. btw those 2 players who made the difference in your opinion were "highpingers" from us too. :)
:well i look forward to the next ladle & playing against tui again. i hope in a balanced 8 vs 8 and on either zmans or wrtl, just simply because those 2 servers are the ones who dont go nuts when there are 20+ players on it :) (16 playing + spec & exchange players).

;Legit
: Oh kenny dont give me that bs that i didnt see what was goin on, i was in spectator mode the whole time watching around. Im not even in the tui match so what are you sayin i loose sum i loose sum? Kno whats going on first before you open that little minded mouth of yours. And as for speed, you obviously dont play fortress much as looking at how you play or know how i play. And as to what durka says is 100% tru and woudl be even be a harder match vs them if it were in a US server. Congrats to TUI on doin what ya did. Theres the congrats from me.

;PsYkO
: Thx max and rico

;k3nNy
: i think you played for tm legit? and i think tm lost the semis? btw i didnt open my mouth 1 single time while i was writing this. i can imagine you writing with your mouth wide open though xD. well back to the topic: as long as there is no us server which doesnt go nuts with 20+ players, there will no finals be played there i think. i c no reason to do that. same for 2020 server, that one goes nuts too with too many players, well the finals arent played there either are they. i can remember the finals of the 5th ladle, which even were moved after start from 2020 to zmans? btw the ping doesnt make a that huge difference as you guys are acting it does.

;Legit
: I never complained about my match about loosing, ive been talking about the tui vs sp match. You know dam well you needed the winzone and them holes or you wouldnt have survived that close of a game maybe 100-50 if your lucky but in a US server would be even worse for you cause of course european servers get overruled all the time cause SOME european people like you bitch about how laggy it always is for you in our servers and dont ever think about the fact how it is for us in your servers and deal with it all the time so now you can think of how the score would have been for tui in a us server then in a european server even when they made it a close enuff game in euro server xD .

;[[User:Sasha|Sasha]]
: Wow! WTF R U talking about? Lets see who will win the next one: Ladle 8! About holing: for me its a part of the _classic_fortress_ game (see server settings and shut up or tell something to server admin). About win-zone: the same answer. My opinion: holes can be used and winzone must be used (of course its fun for those who are playing, but not for the others who are just sitting and watching fuckin stupid square defense and attackers doing nothing).
: Specially for those who sad "holing is for n000bz, winzone is guyzone" I want to say: "Then n00bz own you! HA-HA-HA!" ;)
: Ok, after all I sad, I want to say that I also think that we won doubly/foul (dunno english well, choice the right word).
: To team X: Great game, good team, I want to face you again.
: To TuI: It was fun to play with "numbers" :) I also want to meet you on grid again.
: To Legit: shut up sometimes :)
: To Durka: test
: To 2020: organize something like madmax sad, please.

;MaZuffeR
:Interesting to see that you guys really take this so seriously, it's just a game :). I just watched some parts of the final. TuI didn't adapt to SP using pretty much every possible hole. The sweepers should have played much closer to the zone, so that they could cover the hole, or atleast go through the hole right after the attacker. The times I saw an attacker going through a hole, there was no sweeper close to him. And Durka, if you don't want holes in your wall, don't kill the attackers at every chance you get, let the sweepers take care of them (yes, I'm serious).

;fr34ky
:Hmrpf, let's cound the US Players/EU Players and guess why we play on european servers. Sure you can manage an US Ladle, but without me and certainly many other EU Players. I also hate high pings (yeah it's also not easy for a low-pinger to kill an US-High-pinger) but can you manage a flying server or one in the ocean?

;Rico
:LOL at a flying server xD

;Omega
whered that msn convo go?
And lol we arent allowed to use our own players in a competition, yes whatup and psyko did alot but we beat x without psyko, and they have a lot of good players. Stop with the excuses you lost to a better team on the day end of! Maz is right as usual. Sweepers have to stick close If you saw a hole in opponents def in the ladle you wouldnt go through. If u say no i wouldnt ud be chatting shit, Durka and legit use holes in normal play let alone the ladle. I can imagine how many people are at the moment laffing at you 2 crying over a defeat cos your opponents used strats that have been delibrately left in the game to use lol, especially when you use 1 of these strats in normal gameplay. And legit what the hell is your problem are you even in TUI? You already have a terrible rep in tron after those comments you made.

;k3nNy
:well, as some partially blame their ping (see the finals) for loosing, i went through zmans stats and compared the finals with the x-sp semifinals. well here some stats first:

:match 1 Tui vs Sp:
:Tui: 6 players, average 176 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 99 ping

: match 2 Tui vs Sp:
:Tui: 7 players, average 172 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 114 ping

: match 3 Tui vs Sp:
:Tui: 7 players, average 164 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 155 ping

: match 4 Tui vs Sp:
:Tui: 6 players, average 143 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 110 ping
:Total averages: Tui: 163, Sp: 120 // diff: 43
:(the outcome in a row: sp-tui: 1-0 1-1 2-1 3-1)

: match 1 x vs sp:
:X: 8 players, average 77 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 110 ping

: match 2 x vs sp:
:X: 8 players, average 80 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 108 ping
:Total averages: X: 79, Sp: 109 // diff: 30
:(the outcome in a row: x-sp: 0-1 0-2)

:the finals compared with the semis show quite good that the ping is not "that" important.
:the top 5 rankings even show it more. only 1 time out of 6 matches an european player was on top.
:of course if your ping is higher then like 220 you will get problems. and someone with a 40 ping will have a slight advantage against someone with 200.
:(see: http://www.thp.uni-koeln.de/~moos/tronstats/ladle7/ by zman)
:btw my ping wasnt very good that day durka :) from ~150 in the afternoon till finally ~60 in the late evening. Actually most of the time only viper (and me in the last match) had "good" pings around 50-60.

;JJBean
:Wow i really love how the 'feedback' page turned into lets bitch about how we lost and how they cheated..... Lets also talk about how no one likes SP and doesn't like to see jerks win. Yes I am calling you jerks because all you guys do is gloat about how 'good' you are. I left after we lost that final match because i knew all we were going to here was how 'good' you guys are. Lets have a rematch before the 8th ladle ON AND AMERICAN SERVER and see who wins. <=== You will most likely say fuck that because you know you cannot beat us when we will have an average ping lower than yours. As for the holing and the winzone, Holes yea who gives a fuck, I know we are going to hole the fuck out of you next time we play you, but WINZONE come on. I could have taken it three times that round but i just zoomed around waiting for your attacker to actually do somthing, which he never did, well atleast before '''she''' took the winzone. You won't get a gratz from me all you will get is a WD for beating us and a GL for the future....

;[[User:Sasha|Sasha]]
: Note that Durka has forgotten that he himself took the winzone in the 6th ladle. JJBean, hi! :)

;k3nNy
:that is arranged. you give that american server, we give date and time...

;fr34ky
:Speeders, you read, what she said and i want to say, taht i'm really sad you don't like me JJBean.
:[...]
:But i think it would be also fun for us, too see you guys on your American-Lowping-Server, beating our 500-Ping-Double-Defense with holing :). Please tell us before if holing will be possible and if there is a winzone.

;Speed
JJbean or mgt or whoever you wanna be called we didnt brag once we got shit from tui as soon as we won it was oh you holers blah blah blah i didnt actually here 1 of us gloat, like you dont say ~|DS|~ on top and all that crap hmm gloating yes or no sodont start saying crap how we gloat when all what happens is noobs who cant take losing proerly complain.

;Omega
:oh look what i found legit
:[22] Gothica --> Legit: in console set ping_charity 999999999
:[13] Legit --> Gothica: yeah
:[3] ~*HeLlBlAdE*~: lol
:[5] ~*SP*~Sp33d: nerd leavbe
:[19] ~*SP*~viper~: am i 2 or 3 ?
:[1] ~*SP*~oO.k3nNy: 3 xD
:[19] ~*SP*~viper~: ok
:[3] ~*HeLlBlAdE*~: 3
:[14] ~*SP*~Sasha --> Teammates: ~*WhAtUp*~, Now my place is 4th
:[22] Gothica --> Legit: give them extra lag
:[22] Gothica: lol
:[13] Legit --> Gothica: do it when sp is attacking cus i hate htem
:[22] Gothica --> Legit: just set it now, it lasts till u change it back to 100
:[13] Legit --> Gothica: just set it when sp is attacking
:[22] Gothica --> Legit: if u set it on, it stays on untill u change it
:[13] Legit --> Gothica: so yeah only do it when sp attacks
:[13] Legit --> Gothica: so tui dosnt get it
:[22] Gothica --> Legit: nopw
:[0] ~*SP*~ 4 core dumped TuI ~ 7 for 2 points.
:[4] TuI~4 --> Teammates: HELP DEF! HELP DEF!
:[4] TuI~4 --> Teammates: DEF DOWN! DEF DOWN!
:[0] ~*WhAtUp*~ core dumped TuI ~ 6 for 2 points.
:[15] TuI ~ 7: Wow this is so fucking laggy
:[4] TuI~4: wow this is laggy

:thats interesting aint it Legit u loser. A ban maybe for gothica and Legit for trying to cheat and delibrately lag the server up. Dont believe me ask Zman for the server logs

;Legit
: Lol omega, i already have a terible rep on tron from what i said? maybe to your sp clan but i really dont care cus all of you are retarded nor do i like any of them but maybe 2. And Sasha, durka took the winzone in the other ladle because the other team took it first.

;JJBean
:Uhm I am pretty sure I have not said any of that ~|DS|~ on top shit in like 6 months, and wtf does that have to do with this anyways? DS gloats on DS servers because we are the shit there! And nice one Legit, you really are the best......... And for all those Sp's PENIS!

;[[User:Sasha|Sasha]]
: We must really replay this Ladle, but 2 more times, not just one, in order to get best of 3! :)
: People, ok. Stop spamming here about "SP suscks". Lets see who will win 8th Ladle! Wait just three weeks.

;fr34ky
: Very interesting Omega, nice!
:@ JJBean, Legit: It's ennoying to see you like little kids, just using offenses and crying "sp sucks".

;PsYkO
: JJBean - what you said about sp always saying we are the best and gloating is bullshit..everyone who says it is a bullshitter. THe first couple of months of sp being revived I had some of these complaints and I found some people having hot keys saying "sp rules" and stuff like that and I took care of it. We have the most modest team/clan in tron and you are too closed minded to see that.

;Luzifer
:OK, first of all grats to SP! And now something about the rest,heh. I think that this is a feedback page and not a forum. Well, here's my feedback: :I quite enjoyed the finals because for me (as an attacker) it was a great challenge trying to beat SP's defense. I agree with durka that it was our :fault to sign up with more players than we showed up with, I hope this won't happen again. Holing... In my opinion, holes are part of the game. If :you don't like them, go to a server without holes, that's it. And the winzone... well, this is also a part of the game but I suggest turning it of :at the ladles from now on. During the final, it was on and so it was just normal to use it. No cheat, no trick, just another part of the game. The :last thing I want to mention is the tim change. It was a bit too late to change the time because many players dont check the wiki often, which :might be their fault, heh.
:I'm looking forward to play against SP at the 8th ladle or playing a rematch.

;JJBean
:Honestly you guys think 'I' was saying sp sucks...... if you read what I actually typed you see that i said how everyone, not me myself, but everyone. I did not say I, but if you guys think i did then you must actually suck..... freaky and calling us little kids......Nice Good one........ I don't have a problem with SP or how they won anymore, actually I used to like allot of you guys and still like most, but BLAH BLAH BLAH who cares anymore most people have cooled off and I hope everyone can just fuck off. EVERYONE

== Previous Feedback ==

*[[Ladle-1/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-2/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-3/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-4/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-5/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-6/Feedback]]

== Previous Results ==
Sixth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
| [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="4" | 1
| rowspan="8" | [[Team somethingsomething]]
|-
| [http://www.oops-clan.org/ °°ps] || 0
|-
|team 3 || n/a
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || rowspan="2" | 0
|-
| [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || bye
|-
| [[Tronic Monkeys]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Tronic Monkeys]] || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || n/a
|-
| [[Team somethingsomething]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
| team 8 || n/a
|}

Fifth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|team 1 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | WS || rowspan="2" | bye
| rowspan="4" | WS || rowspan="4" | 2
| rowspan="8" | team TM
|-
|team 2 || N/A
|-
|team 3 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | PKC || rowspan="2" | n/s
|-
|team 4 || N/A
|-
|team 5 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TM || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | TM || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || N/A
|-
|team 7 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TuI || rowspan="2" | 1
|-
|team 8 || N/A
|}

Fourth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|WPN || 2
| rowspan="2" | wpn || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | ho || rowspan="4" | 0
| rowspan="8" | proNoobz
|-
|tm || 0
|-
|none || N/A
| rowspan="2" | ho || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|ho || '''bye'''
|-
|st || 2
| rowspan="2" | st || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | pN || rowspan="4" | 2
|-
|ws || 0
|-
|pN || bye
| rowspan="2" | pN || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|TiP || n/s
|}

Third Ladle:

{{Ladle-7}}

Ladle Feedback

2007-01-10T03:43:59Z

24.82.112.103: /* Feedback for the Seventh Ladle */

{{Ladle-7}}

Please write your comments below about your experience of the event. You can also add comments about how it could be better... This information may be useful for anyone who tries to do such a thing again... We have to discuss stuff so that decisions made...

== Feedback for the Seventh Ladle ==
;Legit
: For starters, that was the worst ladle ive ever played. We organized a team and then when we played all positions etc... were all fucked up and hyphy i asked him to lay off def cus hes always too close and he still does it and fucked def once again. And as for redice little oops noob tking our whole team, at least 5 players in one round! And was unfair for that and also because the admin wasnt very good at locking a server cause some noob joined our team and fucked our whole team up as well. all this i will probably not play for TM anymore. And as for the finals was pretty good match to watch but tui was definantly the better team as watching how SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone. It was also funny when SP members would tell tui people to stfu and talk shit to them when they won but was also funny when pysko got all mad when someone got in his def and said it was a bullshit win for tui, next ladle should be handled better then this one.

;2020
: I forgot I was meant to be harsher with team entry. Most of us gathered and got the team organised. Then we started our game again TuI, and hyph refused to stay in midfield and got involved with def. I tried to tighten us up as a team, and for the first time issued a threat... which didn't go well with some members of the team who weren't aware of the havoc at the back. We lost the first match. And in the second, new players entered the server, a player using a familiar team name team-killed, and wrtl was constantly asked to admin the game -- and he was our defender! I didn't get into any kind of groove, played like a noob. What a mess.
:No idea what to do. I try to make it as clear as possible on the challenge board, and people seem confused about when it starts etc. I canjust about handle that, but not try to organise a team as well. I just want to play in a good game!!!!!!!!
;[[User:Durka|Durka]]
:The organization was a bit spectacle this time because of the games being delayed by 45 minutes. Otherwise everything went smoothly.

:About the finals, I didn't really care that it was 6 on 8 and they had a 2 man advantage, but what really pissed me off, was that it was 1-1 and in the 3rd match while the score was 76-70 their lead, the winzone popped up. We even had a one man advantage I belive at that point. They took the winzone and that boosted the score to 86-70. We could have easily won that match. Then, to top it off, they holed me (I was def) and went in and got the zone (using their 2 man advantage made it quite impossible to stop them while in the zone). Them winning that match completely turns around the entire finals. Instead of being 2-1 us, its 2-1 them. Then, in the 4th match, it was definately getting close, and it was 96-88 in the final round, and for the 10th time in the finals, I got holed by ~*SP*~ and they took the match.

:My point I'm trying to make is that:
:*There should be no winzone what so ever
:*I know we've talked about this before, but as long as a team gets at least 5 or 6 players there, the other team should at least cut 1 person. I'm fine with a one-man advantage & I'm also fine with a two-man advantage, or even 3, but if they use those extra men to hole the defense 10 times throughout 4 matches, then that (in my mind) is a bit unfair.

;'''Rico'''
:I dont mind doing it in a reg game, but in a serious tourney, when I'm trying to def against 4 attackers, I dont take kindly to the rest of the opposing team spamming me with messages to put me off. I'd have ignored them, but when theres so much spam it takes up half your screen and you have to play with only 10 fps anyway, it kinda pissed me off.

:Not that I was playing well anyway as it happens, but when I'm subject to "omg, our def sucks, alex you made us lose" etc etc criticism from my OWN TEAM because I was being distracted multiple ways... I do happen to get annoyed.

:Whatever, I'll still be taking part in some events in the future. Just remind me to silence the WHOLE of the opposition.

;AshitakA
:I just want to admit that it wasn’t redice, who played at the end. He abused his name like 2020 already said. What a bummer! He hadn’t the courage to make it with his own name. Anyway, for the next ladle I want to mention the idea to let teams also play for the 3rd and 4th or 5th and 6th place. It wouldn’t take much more time, because they play at the same time as the final would be. At the moment there are enough fort server online to realise this idea. Maybe you can include it into the ladle system.

;k3nNy
:Sp had a good setup, a good team with good team organisation. i think it is sad that no one here can gratulate sp for winning the ladle but instead some of you are searching for excuses why sp shouldnt have won the ladle. first: legit. hey dude, you say sp wasnt good as tui? i think thats kinda odd when you watch the field domination sp had during the finals. sp played with 2-3 defensive players and they didnt have much to do. sp was playing with 5 offensive players. so if you count those 5 offensive players + the defensive tui players you get quite much players dont u? so isnt it then a logical outcome that there is a quite high percentage for the defence of being holed by a dying player? so legit, tell me 1 person who wouldnt use a hole in the finals of the ladle. "SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone" --> this sounds for me that u accuse sp for holling on purpuse, which wasnt at all.
:well then about the winzone... first of all: as always i think it should be disabled too.
:then to the situation: durka, it was a 2 on 2 situation, 1 sp attacking against 2 doubledefending tuis (which made it impossible for the attacker to do sth), 1 sp staying in the back in case the attacker dies. how long did that situation last? how long could it have been lasting. well i was the one in the back, probably grinding myself for the 30st time in a row, waiting for sth to happen. first i thought aw dam winzone wth are you doin here. then i thought what the heck. so i think the first time i took a winzone because i was gettin that bored back in there! i just wanted that round to be over, i didnt care if tui would have taken it.
:oh and back to legit again: sp members well telling tui members to shut up because they were whining non stop. its a ladle final, so please be a man, play it and loose it or win it. congratulations sps!
:btw. exept i think the winzone should be disabled by default, i think this ladle was fine as usual.

;Legit
:LoL kenny, fine speech but TUI is definantly were better players. Just by knowing some of the members in tui and i dont even know most of them and i knew all SP that were playing TUI has definantly better team. Who did you have? Pysko and Sasha and uhh who else...? LoL anyways, if you were so bored of the ladle match and wanted to get the winzone then why the fuck are you playing in the ladle if its boring?!?! You had a player HellBlade who didnt even get to play and wanted to and you sat there being bored playin it when someone else in your clan could had actually enjoyed it? Your excuses are lame and you know you were afraid sp was going to loose cause TUI was a better team that why you really got the winzone.

;fr34ky
:LoL Legit, nice offenses but SP just won with all allowed methods, using no cheats. Holes were allowed, so we used them...a Winzone was there too, k3nNy used it and i agree with him! At first...it's really boring back there, and you know why it was boring? - No, not because Ladle is so boring, it was because no TuI attacked us...and why didnt they attack us? Hmmm, i think you know the answer. Oh and k3nNy had no chance to see any TuI not using the winzone...so he couldnt know TuI didnt want to use it. Congratulations Speeders, nice Ladle for us and certainly many other Players (except you Legit :->)
:greets, fr34ky

;k3nNy
:you must have been in another match legit, because i didnt have one single time the feeling tui was going to win. they had a good comeback to 1-1 but that was it. sp was the best team yesterday, because they acted like a team. good teamplay etc. made us strong. we didnt care about "players" like you do. everyone had their job, and everyone did it great. the reason why hellblade couldnt play is because he is an offensive player too, and we were already playing with 5 offensive players with psyko and me in defence (and obli), though we are normally both offensive players too. still i wont force anyone in a good playing team to sit out.
:and to you legit, please stop your whining and complaining all the time. that prejudiced whining of you is goin on my nerves. if you loose you loose, then stand to it. maybe you will win next time again, who knows. but stop that prejeduce stuff like: oh sp used holes, they certainly did that on purpurse. oh k3nny said he got bored that round, in that case he certainly thought the whole ladle was boring ?!? if you dont get it dude, go and watch the replay of that round, maybe in 10 years you will understand it when ur mature enough.

;'''Rico'''
:Funny that no-one has replied to my comment about the purposeful distractions. Of course it doesn't matter, as all of you would deny it anyway.

:Anyway, grats, even though winzoning is the lamest way to win ever, just an unparallelled level of chicken-ness. And ok, holing is fine, but when its like 5 on 1 and someone holes on purpose, thats annoying. As a defender, I have to deal with it all the time.

:Thats my piece, any comments about the purposeful distractions would be much appreciated. Thanks

;PsYkO
:How about a "congratz"?

;madmax
:First of all, congratz. I pretty much know nothing more about what happened so...
:The main thing I see is that always playing a knockout competition is not a good thing. It gets too... usual. I think some kind of championship competition and making the ladles more spaced (two/threee months maybe more?) would be a nice idea.
:I think in a knockout system it sure proves who was the best team then, but hey, what if a team who lost one game would win against all other teams? What if they were having a bad day? Having a championship (point based) would be IMHO a good idea. Perhaps that whole thought of "Kings Of the Grid"... After all, theres already a domain :)
:Also, it would benefit teams that consistently make good games, not only "that day" with "that conditions" with "..."
;Speed
Legit will you ever stop complaining and whining o they holed o they did this o is that a 2 yr old i hear talking legit because it sures sounds like one...
Legit also who are you to say people suck whenever i see you in a game its lag killed me omg i just slipped or someother bs excuse i have never seen you once do a spectacular move to win a match, now you slag of redice out of oops is that because they rejected you when you tryed joining them hmmm i wonder.
Save your complaints for people who care and btw when your good then i think you may have a leg to stand on atm you got a damn toothbrush.

;Rico
:Read my post before psyko, i did say grats ;)

;Omega
ROFL TUI
The first round we won where it was a 4 on 2. 1 attacker died and made a hole and the other attackers didnt go through. But instead waited till they had dumped the sweeper into his won def, and then went through that hole, you where even then calling us holers etc. You guys where making excuses every round.......

Durka 76-70 so what, whose to say you would have won. Statistically accounting for the match ending 3-1, you would have lost. I remember the 2 ladles ago the 5th which TM won i remember final match we were down 70-92 and we still won, so saying we would have easily won etc is nonsense as anything can happen. This reminds me of WPN etc, you guys are both like immature little children who cant take losing at all.
And @alex who was spamming you, tell me and ill sort em out.
:;Durka
::Are you kidding me? The winzone is a 20 point spin. 10 points for you guys which made it 86-70. It could have been 80-76. Then again, I would have liked to see you guys beat us that round considering the fact that thru 6 matches in the Ladle, I only got pwnd twice, & the 2 people that got by me from SP had already died. I'm not being cocky, but I always like a challenge and that would have been fun.
::Forgetting all of this, I know it was our fault, but look what kenny said above. They had 5 people attacking. Well, we only had 6 players total (again, this was our fault). So, you expect us to play agressive being 2 men down each round. That's similar to having like a 4 on 2 and having the team with 2 be on the attack. It makes no sense. When we played you guys in the last ladle and beat you guys, all you said was, well we didn't have Psyko or Whatup. Yes, Psyko & Whatup helped you a lot this ladle, but if we had brought 2 more players, then it would have gotten interesting and we would have been more on the attack. We look forward to rematching you guys, but with a full team this time. O, and how about the thought of playing in a US server? I'd like to see Viper, Cyclo, Kenny, Sasha, & Omega with pings like what I usually get :)
;k3nNy
:i think that round of the winzone stuff wasnt that match deciding. it was more important who was goin to win the round after that one. you could have equalized to about 90-86 or if it would have been the otherway round we could have gone from 80-76 to about 92-86. still, i hope we wont have that situation in future again. in case the zone doesnt get turned off, teams could tell before the matches each other they wont use it, then it should be np too.
:its true our field domination was partially that high because of the higher number of players. still the rules of the ladle arent very strict, so it should be no problem for a team to get it full actually. thats why i am against cutting players in the ladle if the other team hasnt enough. make sure you have 9-10 and it should be no problem.
:about that whatup and psyko & last ladle stuff. we didnt loose the last ladle because they werent here. we lost it because the organisation was bad & the setup was totally wrong. this ladle we played the semis against x. and they were strong i can tell u. they filled their team with players like pavelo. psyko didnt even play yet & whatup took cyclos place because he didnt show up either. in case whatup also wouldnt have been there we still had a great center attacker in hellblade. so, we won it 2-0 then. then to the finals: psyko got a spot in the team & got defender. but as we had 5 attackers and your team was (forced) playing defensive, we didnt have had much to do back there. so psyko wasnt very much involved. so i can tell u: we didnt win because whatup was playing & later psyko too, but because the teamplay etc. was great. thats far more important. i dont c team somethingsomething win because of 1 or 2 players either. they won because they were a great team. and i also dont c pings deciding the matches. btw those 2 players who made the difference in your opinion were "highpingers" from us too. :)
:well i look forward to the next ladle & playing against tui again. i hope in a balanced 8 vs 8 and on either zmans or wrtl, just simply because those 2 servers are the ones who dont go nuts when there are 20+ players on it :) (16 playing + spec & exchange players).

;Legit
: Oh kenny dont give me that bs that i didnt see what was goin on, i was in spectator mode the whole time watching around. Im not even in the tui match so what are you sayin i loose sum i loose sum? Kno whats going on first before you open that little minded mouth of yours. And as for speed, you obviously dont play fortress much as looking at how you play or know how i play. And as to what durka says is 100% tru and woudl be even be a harder match vs them if it were in a US server. Congrats to TUI on doin what ya did. Theres the congrats from me.

;PsYkO
: Thx max and rico

;k3nNy
: i think you played for tm legit? and i think tm lost the semis? btw i didnt open my mouth 1 single time while i was writing this. i can imagine you writing with your mouth wide open though xD. well back to the topic: as long as there is no us server which doesnt go nuts with 20+ players, there will no finals be played there i think. i c no reason to do that. same for 2020 server, that one goes nuts too with too many players, well the finals arent played there either are they. i can remember the finals of the 5th ladle, which even were moved after start from 2020 to zmans? btw the ping doesnt make a that huge difference as you guys are acting it does.

;Legit
: I never complained about my match about loosing, ive been talking about the tui vs sp match. You know dam well you needed the winzone and them holes or you wouldnt have survived that close of a game maybe 100-50 if your lucky but in a US server would be even worse for you cause of course european servers get overruled all the time cause SOME european people like you bitch about how laggy it always is for you in our servers and dont ever think about the fact how it is for us in your servers and deal with it all the time so now you can think of how the score would have been for tui in a us server then in a european server even when they made it a close enuff game in euro server xD .

;[[User:Sasha|Sasha]]
: Wow! WTF R U talking about? Lets see who will win the next one: Ladle 8! About holing: for me its a part of the _classic_fortress_ game (see server settings and shut up or tell something to server admin). About win-zone: the same answer. My opinion: holes can be used and winzone must be used (of course its fun for those who are playing, but not for the others who are just sitting and watching fuckin stupid square defense and attackers doing nothing).
: Specially for those who sad "holing is for n000bz, winzone is guyzone" I want to say: "Then n00bz own you! HA-HA-HA!" ;)
: Ok, after all I sad, I want to say that I also think that we won doubly/foul (dunno english well, choice the right word).
: To team X: Great game, good team, I want to face you again.
: To TuI: It was fun to play with "numbers" :) I also want to meet you on grid again.
: To Legit: shut up sometimes :)
: To Durka: test
: To 2020: organize something like madmax sad, please.

;MaZuffeR
:Interesting to see that you guys really take this so seriously, it's just a game :). I just watched some parts of the final. TuI didn't adapt to SP using pretty much every possible hole. The sweepers should have played much closer to the zone, so that they could cover the hole, or atleast go through the hole right after the attacker. The times I saw an attacker going through a hole, there was no sweeper close to him. And Durka, if you don't want holes in your wall, don't kill the attackers at every chance you get, let the sweepers take care of them (yes, I'm serious).

;fr34ky
:Hmrpf, let's cound the US Players/EU Players and guess why we play on european servers. Sure you can manage an US Ladle, but without me and certainly many other EU Players. I also hate high pings (yeah it's also not easy for a low-pinger to kill an US-High-pinger) but can you manage a flying server or one in the ocean?

;Rico
:LOL at a flying server xD

;Omega
whered that msn convo go?
And lol we arent allowed to use our own players in a competition, yes whatup and psyko did alot but we beat x without psyko, and they have a lot of good players. Stop with the excuses you lost to a better team on the day end of! Maz is right as usual. Sweepers have to stick close If you saw a hole in opponents def in the ladle you wouldnt go through. If u say no i wouldnt ud be chatting shit, Durka and legit use holes in normal play let alone the ladle. I can imagine how many people are at the moment laffing at you 2 crying over a defeat cos your opponents used strats that have been delibrately left in the game to use lol, especially when you use 1 of these strats in normal gameplay. And legit what the hell is your problem are you even in TUI? You already have a terrible rep in tron after those comments you made.

;k3nNy
:well, as some partially blame their ping (see the finals) for loosing, i went through zmans stats and compared the finals with the x-sp semifinals. well here some stats first:

:match 1 Tui vs Sp:
:Tui: 6 players, average 176 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 99 ping

: match 2 Tui vs Sp:
:Tui: 7 players, average 172 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 114 ping

: match 3 Tui vs Sp:
:Tui: 7 players, average 164 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 155 ping

: match 4 Tui vs Sp:
:Tui: 6 players, average 143 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 110 ping
:Total averages: Tui: 163, Sp: 120 // diff: 43
:(the outcome in a row: sp-tui: 1-0 1-1 2-1 3-1)

: match 1 x vs sp:
:X: 8 players, average 77 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 110 ping

: match 2 x vs sp:
:X: 8 players, average 80 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 108 ping
:Total averages: X: 79, Sp: 109 // diff: 30
:(the outcome in a row: x-sp: 0-1 0-2)

:the finals compared with the semis show quite good that the ping is not "that" important.
:the top 5 rankings even show it more. only 1 time out of 6 matches an european player was on top.
:of course if your ping is higher then like 220 you will get problems. and someone with a 40 ping will have a slight advantage against someone with 200.
:(see: http://www.thp.uni-koeln.de/~moos/tronstats/ladle7/ by zman)
:btw my ping wasnt very good that day durka :) from ~150 in the afternoon till finally ~60 in the late evening. Actually most of the time only viper (and me in the last match) had "good" pings around 50-60.

;JJBean
:Wow i really love how the 'feedback' page turned into lets bitch about how we lost and how they cheated..... Lets also talk about how no one likes SP and doesn't like to see jerks win. Yes I am calling you jerks because all you guys do is gloat about how 'good' you are. I left after we lost that final match because i knew all we were going to here was how 'good' you guys are. Lets have a rematch before the 8th ladle ON AND AMERICAN SERVER and see who wins. <=== You will most likely say fuck that because you know you cannot beat us when we will have an average ping lower than yours. As for the holing and the winzone, Holes yea who gives a fuck, I know we are going to hole the fuck out of you next time we play you, but WINZONE come on. I could have taken it three times that round but i just zoomed around waiting for your attacker to actually do somthing, which he never did, well atleast before '''she''' took the winzone. You won't get a gratz from me all you will get is a WD for beating us and a GL for the future....

;[[User:Sasha|Sasha]]
: Note that Durka has forgotten that he himself took the winzone in the 6th ladle. JJBean, hi! :)

;k3nNy
:that is arranged. you give that american server, we give date and time...

;fr34ky
:Speeders, you read, what she said and i want to say, taht i'm really sad you don't like me JJBean.
:[...]
:But i think it would be also fun for us, too see you guys on your American-Lowping-Server, beating our 500-Ping-Double-Defense with holing :). Please tell us before if holing will be possible and if there is a winzone.

;Speed
JJbean or mgt or whoever you wanna be called we didnt brag once we got shit from tui as soon as we won it was oh you holers blah blah blah i didnt actually here 1 of us gloat, like you dont say ~|DS|~ on top and all that crap hmm gloating yes or no sodont start saying crap how we gloat when all what happens is noobs who cant take losing proerly complain.

;Omega
oh look what i found legit
[22] Gothica --> Legit: in console set ping_charity 999999999
[13] Legit --> Gothica: yeah
[3] ~*HeLlBlAdE*~: lol
[5] ~*SP*~Sp33d: nerd leavbe
[19] ~*SP*~viper~: am i 2 or 3 ?
[1] ~*SP*~oO.k3nNy: 3 xD
[19] ~*SP*~viper~: ok
[3] ~*HeLlBlAdE*~: 3
[14] ~*SP*~Sasha --> Teammates: ~*WhAtUp*~, Now my place is 4th
[22] Gothica --> Legit: give them extra lag
[22] Gothica: lol
[13] Legit --> Gothica: do it when sp is attacking cus i hate htem
[22] Gothica --> Legit: just set it now, it lasts till u change it back to 100
[13] Legit --> Gothica: just set it when sp is attacking
[22] Gothica --> Legit: if u set it on, it stays on untill u change it
[13] Legit --> Gothica: so yeah only do it when sp attacks
[13] Legit --> Gothica: so tui dosnt get it
[22] Gothica --> Legit: nopw
[0] ~*SP*~ 4 core dumped TuI ~ 7 for 2 points.
[4] TuI~4 --> Teammates: HELP DEF! HELP DEF!
[4] TuI~4 --> Teammates: DEF DOWN! DEF DOWN!
[0] ~*WhAtUp*~ core dumped TuI ~ 6 for 2 points.
[15] TuI ~ 7: Wow this is so fucking laggy
[4] TuI~4: wow this is laggy

thats interesting aint it Legit u loser. A ban maybe for gothica and Legit for trying to cheat and delibrately lag the server up. Dont believe me ask Zman for the server logs

;Legit
: Lol omega, i already have a terible rep on tron from what i said? maybe to your sp clan but i really dont care cus all of you are retarded nor do i like any of them but maybe 2. And Sasha, durka took the winzone in the other ladle because the other team took it first.

;JJBean
:Uhm I am pretty sure I have not said any of that ~|DS|~ on top shit in like 6 months, and wtf does that have to do with this anyways? DS gloats on DS servers because we are the shit there! And nice one Legit, you really are the best......... And for all those Sp's PENIS!

== Previous Feedback ==

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== Previous Results ==
Sixth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
| [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="4" | 1
| rowspan="8" | [[Team somethingsomething]]
|-
| [http://www.oops-clan.org/ °°ps] || 0
|-
|team 3 || n/a
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || rowspan="2" | 0
|-
| [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || bye
|-
| [[Tronic Monkeys]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Tronic Monkeys]] || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || n/a
|-
| [[Team somethingsomething]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
| team 8 || n/a
|}

Fifth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|team 1 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | WS || rowspan="2" | bye
| rowspan="4" | WS || rowspan="4" | 2
| rowspan="8" | team TM
|-
|team 2 || N/A
|-
|team 3 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | PKC || rowspan="2" | n/s
|-
|team 4 || N/A
|-
|team 5 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TM || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | TM || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || N/A
|-
|team 7 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TuI || rowspan="2" | 1
|-
|team 8 || N/A
|}

Fourth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|WPN || 2
| rowspan="2" | wpn || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | ho || rowspan="4" | 0
| rowspan="8" | proNoobz
|-
|tm || 0
|-
|none || N/A
| rowspan="2" | ho || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|ho || '''bye'''
|-
|st || 2
| rowspan="2" | st || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | pN || rowspan="4" | 2
|-
|ws || 0
|-
|pN || bye
| rowspan="2" | pN || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|TiP || n/s
|}

Third Ladle:

{{Ladle-7}}

Ladle Feedback

2007-01-09T20:50:53Z

24.82.112.103: /* Feedback for the Seventh Ladle */

{{Ladle-7}}

Please write your comments below about your experience of the event. You can also add comments about how it could be better... This information may be useful for anyone who tries to do such a thing again... We have to discuss stuff so that decisions made...

== Feedback for the Seventh Ladle ==
;Legit
: For starters, that was the worst ladle ive ever played. We organized a team and then when we played all positions etc... were all fucked up and hyphy i asked him to lay off def cus hes always too close and he still does it and fucked def once again. And as for redice little oops noob tking our whole team, at least 5 players in one round! And was unfair for that and also because the admin wasnt very good at locking a server cause some noob joined our team and fucked our whole team up as well. all this i will probably not play for TM anymore. And as for the finals was pretty good match to watch but tui was definantly the better team as watching how SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone. It was also funny when SP members would tell tui people to stfu and talk shit to them when they won but was also funny when pysko got all mad when someone got in his def and said it was a bullshit win for tui, next ladle should be handled better then this one.

;2020
: I forgot I was meant to be harsher with team entry. Most of us gathered and got the team organised. Then we started our game again TuI, and hyph refused to stay in midfield and got involved with def. I tried to tighten us up as a team, and for the first time issued a threat... which didn't go well with some members of the team who weren't aware of the havoc at the back. We lost the first match. And in the second, new players entered the server, a player using a familiar team name team-killed, and wrtl was constantly asked to admin the game -- and he was our defender! I didn't get into any kind of groove, played like a noob. What a mess.
:No idea what to do. I try to make it as clear as possible on the challenge board, and people seem confused about when it starts etc. I canjust about handle that, but not try to organise a team as well. I just want to play in a good game!!!!!!!!
;[[User:Durka|Durka]]
:The organization was a bit spectacle this time because of the games being delayed by 45 minutes. Otherwise everything went smoothly.

:About the finals, I didn't really care that it was 6 on 8 and they had a 2 man advantage, but what really pissed me off, was that it was 1-1 and in the 3rd match while the score was 76-70 their lead, the winzone popped up. We even had a one man advantage I belive at that point. They took the winzone and that boosted the score to 86-70. We could have easily won that match. Then, to top it off, they holed me (I was def) and went in and got the zone (using their 2 man advantage made it quite impossible to stop them while in the zone). Them winning that match completely turns around the entire finals. Instead of being 2-1 us, its 2-1 them. Then, in the 4th match, it was definately getting close, and it was 96-88 in the final round, and for the 10th time in the finals, I got holed by ~*SP*~ and they took the match.

:My point I'm trying to make is that:
:*There should be no winzone what so ever
:*I know we've talked about this before, but as long as a team gets at least 5 or 6 players there, the other team should at least cut 1 person. I'm fine with a one-man advantage & I'm also fine with a two-man advantage, or even 3, but if they use those extra men to hole the defense 10 times throughout 4 matches, then that (in my mind) is a bit unfair.

;'''Rico'''
:I dont mind doing it in a reg game, but in a serious tourney, when I'm trying to def against 4 attackers, I dont take kindly to the rest of the opposing team spamming me with messages to put me off. I'd have ignored them, but when theres so much spam it takes up half your screen and you have to play with only 10 fps anyway, it kinda pissed me off.

:Not that I was playing well anyway as it happens, but when I'm subject to "omg, our def sucks, alex you made us lose" etc etc criticism from my OWN TEAM because I was being distracted multiple ways... I do happen to get annoyed.

:Whatever, I'll still be taking part in some events in the future. Just remind me to silence the WHOLE of the opposition.

;AshitakA
:I just want to admit that it wasn’t redice, who played at the end. He abused his name like 2020 already said. What a bummer! He hadn’t the courage to make it with his own name. Anyway, for the next ladle I want to mention the idea to let teams also play for the 3rd and 4th or 5th and 6th place. It wouldn’t take much more time, because they play at the same time as the final would be. At the moment there are enough fort server online to realise this idea. Maybe you can include it into the ladle system.

;k3nNy
:Sp had a good setup, a good team with good team organisation. i think it is sad that no one here can gratulate sp for winning the ladle but instead some of you are searching for excuses why sp shouldnt have won the ladle. first: legit. hey dude, you say sp wasnt good as tui? i think thats kinda odd when you watch the field domination sp had during the finals. sp played with 2-3 defensive players and they didnt have much to do. sp was playing with 5 offensive players. so if you count those 5 offensive players + the defensive tui players you get quite much players dont u? so isnt it then a logical outcome that there is a quite high percentage for the defence of being holed by a dying player? so legit, tell me 1 person who wouldnt use a hole in the finals of the ladle. "SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone" --> this sounds for me that u accuse sp for holling on purpuse, which wasnt at all.
:well then about the winzone... first of all: as always i think it should be disabled too.
:then to the situation: durka, it was a 2 on 2 situation, 1 sp attacking against 2 doubledefending tuis (which made it impossible for the attacker to do sth), 1 sp staying in the back in case the attacker dies. how long did that situation last? how long could it have been lasting. well i was the one in the back, probably grinding myself for the 30st time in a row, waiting for sth to happen. first i thought aw dam winzone wth are you doin here. then i thought what the heck. so i think the first time i took a winzone because i was gettin that bored back in there! i just wanted that round to be over, i didnt care if tui would have taken it.
:oh and back to legit again: sp members well telling tui members to shut up because they were whining non stop. its a ladle final, so please be a man, play it and loose it or win it. congratulations sps!
:btw. exept i think the winzone should be disabled by default, i think this ladle was fine as usual.

;Legit
:LoL kenny, fine speech but TUI is definantly were better players. Just by knowing some of the members in tui and i dont even know most of them and i knew all SP that were playing TUI has definantly better team. Who did you have? Pysko and Sasha and uhh who else...? LoL anyways, if you were so bored of the ladle match and wanted to get the winzone then why the fuck are you playing in the ladle if its boring?!?! You had a player HellBlade who didnt even get to play and wanted to and you sat there being bored playin it when someone else in your clan could had actually enjoyed it? Your excuses are lame and you know you were afraid sp was going to loose cause TUI was a better team that why you really got the winzone.

;fr34ky
:LoL Legit, nice offenses but SP just won with all allowed methods, using no cheats. Holes were allowed, so we used them...a Winzone was there too, k3nNy used it and i agree with him! At first...it's really boring back there, and you know why it was boring? - No, not because Ladle is so boring, it was because no TuI attacked us...and why didnt they attack us? Hmmm, i think you know the answer. Oh and k3nNy had no chance to see any TuI not using the winzone...so he couldnt know TuI didnt want to use it. Congratulations Speeders, nice Ladle for us and certainly many other Players (except you Legit :->)
:greets, fr34ky

;k3nNy
:you must have been in another match legit, because i didnt have one single time the feeling tui was going to win. they had a good comeback to 1-1 but that was it. sp was the best team yesterday, because they acted like a team. good teamplay etc. made us strong. we didnt care about "players" like you do. everyone had their job, and everyone did it great. the reason why hellblade couldnt play is because he is an offensive player too, and we were already playing with 5 offensive players with psyko and me in defence (and obli), though we are normally both offensive players too. still i wont force anyone in a good playing team to sit out.
:and to you legit, please stop your whining and complaining all the time. that prejudiced whining of you is goin on my nerves. if you loose you loose, then stand to it. maybe you will win next time again, who knows. but stop that prejeduce stuff like: oh sp used holes, they certainly did that on purpurse. oh k3nny said he got bored that round, in that case he certainly thought the whole ladle was boring ?!? if you dont get it dude, go and watch the replay of that round, maybe in 10 years you will understand it when ur mature enough.

;'''Rico'''
:Funny that no-one has replied to my comment about the purposeful distractions. Of course it doesn't matter, as all of you would deny it anyway.

:Anyway, grats, even though winzoning is the lamest way to win ever, just an unparallelled level of chicken-ness. And ok, holing is fine, but when its like 5 on 1 and someone holes on purpose, thats annoying. As a defender, I have to deal with it all the time.

:Thats my piece, any comments about the purposeful distractions would be much appreciated. Thanks

;PsYkO
:How about a "congratz"?

;madmax
:First of all, congratz. I pretty much know nothing more about what happened so...
:The main thing I see is that always playing a knockout competition is not a good thing. It gets too... usual. I think some kind of championship competition and making the ladles more spaced (two/threee months maybe more?) would be a nice idea.
:I think in a knockout system it sure proves who was the best team then, but hey, what if a team who lost one game would win against all other teams? What if they were having a bad day? Having a championship (point based) would be IMHO a good idea. Perhaps that whole thought of "Kings Of the Grid"... After all, theres already a domain :)
:Also, it would benefit teams that consistently make good games, not only "that day" with "that conditions" with "..."
;Speed
Legit will you ever stop complaining and whining o they holed o they did this o is that a 2 yr old i hear talking legit because it sures sounds like one...
Legit also who are you to say people suck whenever i see you in a game its lag killed me omg i just slipped or someother bs excuse i have never seen you once do a spectacular move to win a match, now you slag of redice out of oops is that because they rejected you when you tryed joining them hmmm i wonder.
Save your complaints for people who care and btw when your good then i think you may have a leg to stand on atm you got a damn toothbrush.

;Rico
:Read my post before psyko, i did say grats ;)

;Omega
ROFL TUI
The first round we won where it was a 4 on 2. 1 attacker died and made a hole and the other attackers didnt go through. But instead waited till they had dumped the sweeper into his won def, and then went through that hole, you where even then calling us holers etc. You guys where making excuses every round.......

Durka 76-70 so what, whose to say you would have won. Statistically accounting for the match ending 3-1, you would have lost. I remember the 2 ladles ago the 5th which TM won i remember final match we were down 70-92 and we still won, so saying we would have easily won etc is nonsense as anything can happen. This reminds me of WPN etc, you guys are both like immature little children who cant take losing at all.
And @alex who was spamming you, tell me and ill sort em out.
:;Durka
::Are you kidding me? The winzone is a 20 point spin. 10 points for you guys which made it 86-70. It could have been 80-76. Then again, I would have liked to see you guys beat us that round considering the fact that thru 6 matches in the Ladle, I only got pwnd twice, & the 2 people that got by me from SP had already died. I'm not being cocky, but I always like a challenge and that would have been fun.
::Forgetting all of this, I know it was our fault, but look what kenny said above. They had 5 people attacking. Well, we only had 6 players total (again, this was our fault). So, you expect us to play agressive being 2 men down each round. That's similar to having like a 4 on 2 and having the team with 2 be on the attack. It makes no sense. When we played you guys in the last ladle and beat you guys, all you said was, well we didn't have Psyko or Whatup. Yes, Psyko & Whatup helped you a lot this ladle, but if we had brought 2 more players, then it would have gotten interesting and we would have been more on the attack. We look forward to rematching you guys, but with a full team this time. O, and how about the thought of playing in a US server? I'd like to see Viper, Cyclo, Kenny, Sasha, & Omega with pings like what I usually get :)
;k3nNy
:i think that round of the winzone stuff wasnt that match deciding. it was more important who was goin to win the round after that one. you could have equalized to about 90-86 or if it would have been the otherway round we could have gone from 80-76 to about 92-86. still, i hope we wont have that situation in future again. in case the zone doesnt get turned off, teams could tell before the matches each other they wont use it, then it should be np too.
:its true our field domination was partially that high because of the higher number of players. still the rules of the ladle arent very strict, so it should be no problem for a team to get it full actually. thats why i am against cutting players in the ladle if the other team hasnt enough. make sure you have 9-10 and it should be no problem.
:about that whatup and psyko & last ladle stuff. we didnt loose the last ladle because they werent here. we lost it because the organisation was bad & the setup was totally wrong. this ladle we played the semis against x. and they were strong i can tell u. they filled their team with players like pavelo. psyko didnt even play yet & whatup took cyclos place because he didnt show up either. in case whatup also wouldnt have been there we still had a great center attacker in hellblade. so, we won it 2-0 then. then to the finals: psyko got a spot in the team & got defender. but as we had 5 attackers and your team was (forced) playing defensive, we didnt have had much to do back there. so psyko wasnt very much involved. so i can tell u: we didnt win because whatup was playing & later psyko too, but because the teamplay etc. was great. thats far more important. i dont c team somethingsomething win because of 1 or 2 players either. they won because they were a great team. and i also dont c pings deciding the matches. btw those 2 players who made the difference in your opinion were "highpingers" from us too. :)
:well i look forward to the next ladle & playing against tui again. i hope in a balanced 8 vs 8 and on either zmans or wrtl, just simply because those 2 servers are the ones who dont go nuts when there are 20+ players on it :) (16 playing + spec & exchange players).

;Legit
: Oh kenny dont give me that bs that i didnt see what was goin on, i was in spectator mode the whole time watching around. Im not even in the tui match so what are you sayin i loose sum i loose sum? Kno whats going on first before you open that little minded mouth of yours. And as for speed, you obviously dont play fortress much as looking at how you play or know how i play. And as to what durka says is 100% tru and woudl be even be a harder match vs them if it were in a US server. Congrats to TUI on doin what ya did. Theres the congrats from me.

;PsYkO
: Thx max and rico

;k3nNy
: i think you played for tm legit? and i think tm lost the semis? btw i didnt open my mouth 1 single time while i was writing this. i can imagine you writing with your mouth wide open though xD. well back to the topic: as long as there is no us server which doesnt go nuts with 20+ players, there will no finals be played there i think. i c no reason to do that. same for 2020 server, that one goes nuts too with too many players, well the finals arent played there either are they. i can remember the finals of the 5th ladle, which even were moved after start from 2020 to zmans? btw the ping doesnt make a that huge difference as you guys are acting it does.

;Legit
: I never complained about my match about loosing, ive been talking about the tui vs sp match. You know dam well you needed the winzone and them holes or you wouldnt have survived that close of a game maybe 100-50 if your lucky but in a US server would be even worse for you cause of course european servers get overruled all the time cause SOME european people like you bitch about how laggy it always is for you in our servers and dont ever think about the fact how it is for us in your servers and deal with it all the time so now you can think of how the score would have been for tui in a us server then in a european server even when they made it a close enuff game in euro server xD .

;[[User:Sasha|Sasha]]
: Wow! WTF R U talking about? Lets see who will win the next one: Ladle 8! About holing: for me its a part of the _classic_fortress_ game (see server settings and shut up or tell something to server admin). About win-zone: the same answer. My opinion: holes can be used and winzone must be used (of course its fun for those who are playing, but not for the others who are just sitting and watching fuckin stupid square defense and attackers doing nothing).
: Specially for those who sad "holing is for n000bz, winzone is guyzone" I want to say: "Then n00bz own you! HA-HA-HA!" ;)
: Ok, after all I sad, I want to say that I also think that we won doubly/foul (dunno english well, choice the right word).
: To team X: Great game, good team, I want to face you again.
: To TuI: It was fun to play with "numbers" :) I also want to meet you on grid again.
: To Legit: shut up sometimes :)
: To Durka: test
: To 2020: organize something like madmax sad, please.

;MaZuffeR
:Interesting to see that you guys really take this so seriously, it's just a game :). I just watched some parts of the final. TuI didn't adapt to SP using pretty much every possible hole. The sweepers should have played much closer to the zone, so that they could cover the hole, or atleast go through the hole right after the attacker. The times I saw an attacker going through a hole, there was no sweeper close to him. And Durka, if you don't want holes in your wall, don't kill the attackers at every chance you get, let the sweepers take care of them (yes, I'm serious).

;fr34ky
:Hmrpf, let's cound the US Players/EU Players and guess why we play on european servers. Sure you can manage an US Ladle, but without me and certainly many other EU Players. I also hate high pings (yeah it's also not easy for a low-pinger to kill an US-High-pinger) but can you manage a flying server or one in the ocean?

;Rico
:LOL at a flying server xD

;Omega
whered that msn convo go?
And lol we arent allowed to use our own players in a competition, yes whatup and psyko did alot but we beat x without psyko, and they have a lot of good players. Stop with the excuses you lost to a better team on the day end of! Maz is right as usual. Sweepers have to stick close If you saw a hole in opponents def in the ladle you wouldnt go through. If u say no i wouldnt ud be chatting shit, Durka and legit use holes in normal play let alone the ladle. I can imagine how many people are at the moment laffing at you 2 crying over a defeat cos your opponents used strats that have been delibrately left in the game to use lol, especially when you use 1 of these strats in normal gameplay. And legit what the hell is your problem are you even in TUI? You already have a terrible rep in tron after those comments you made.

;k3nNy
:well, as some partially blame their ping (see the finals) for loosing, i went through zmans stats and compared the finals with the x-sp semifinals. well here some stats first:

:match 1 Tui vs Sp:
:Tui: 6 players, average 176 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 99 ping

: match 2 Tui vs Sp:
:Tui: 7 players, average 172 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 114 ping

: match 3 Tui vs Sp:
:Tui: 7 players, average 164 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 155 ping

: match 4 Tui vs Sp:
:Tui: 6 players, average 143 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 110 ping
:Total averages: Tui: 163, Sp: 120 // diff: 43
:(the outcome in a row: sp-tui: 1-0 1-1 2-1 3-1)

: match 1 x vs sp:
:X: 8 players, average 77 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 110 ping

: match 2 x vs sp:
:X: 8 players, average 80 ping
:Sp: 8 players, average 108 ping
:Total averages: X: 79, Sp: 109 // diff: 30
:(the outcome in a row: x-sp: 0-1 0-2)

:the finals compared with the semis show quite good that the ping is not "that" important.
:the top 5 rankings even show it more. only 1 time out of 6 matches an european player was on top.
:of course if your ping is higher then like 220 you will get problems. and someone with a 40 ping will have a slight advantage against someone with 200.
:(see: http://www.thp.uni-koeln.de/~moos/tronstats/ladle7/ by zman)
:btw my ping wasnt very good that day durka :) from ~150 in the afternoon till finally ~60 in the late evening. Actually most of the time only viper (and me in the last match) had "good" pings around 50-60.

;JJBean
:Wow i really love how the 'feedback' page turned into lets bitch about how we lost and how they cheated..... Lets also talk about how no one likes SP and doesn't like to see jerks win. Yes I am calling you jerks because all you guys do is gloat about how 'good' you are. I left after we lost that final match because i knew all we were going to here was how 'good' you guys are. Lets have a rematch before the 8th ladle ON AND AMERICAN SERVER and see who wins. <=== You will most likely say fuck that because you know you cannot beat us when we will have an average ping lower than yours. As for the holing and the winzone, Holes yea who gives a fuck, I know we are going to hole the fuck out of you next time we play you, but WINZONE come on. I could have taken it three times that round but i just zoomed around waiting for your attacker to actually do somthing, which he never did, well atleast before '''she''' took the winzone. You won't get a gratz from me all you will get is a WD for beating us and a GL for the future....

== Previous Feedback ==

*[[Ladle-1/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-2/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-3/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-4/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-5/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-6/Feedback]]

== Previous Results ==
Sixth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
| [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="4" | 1
| rowspan="8" | [[Team somethingsomething]]
|-
| [http://www.oops-clan.org/ °°ps] || 0
|-
|team 3 || n/a
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || rowspan="2" | 0
|-
| [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || bye
|-
| [[Tronic Monkeys]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Tronic Monkeys]] || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || n/a
|-
| [[Team somethingsomething]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
| team 8 || n/a
|}

Fifth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|team 1 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | WS || rowspan="2" | bye
| rowspan="4" | WS || rowspan="4" | 2
| rowspan="8" | team TM
|-
|team 2 || N/A
|-
|team 3 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | PKC || rowspan="2" | n/s
|-
|team 4 || N/A
|-
|team 5 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TM || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | TM || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || N/A
|-
|team 7 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TuI || rowspan="2" | 1
|-
|team 8 || N/A
|}

Fourth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|WPN || 2
| rowspan="2" | wpn || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | ho || rowspan="4" | 0
| rowspan="8" | proNoobz
|-
|tm || 0
|-
|none || N/A
| rowspan="2" | ho || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|ho || '''bye'''
|-
|st || 2
| rowspan="2" | st || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | pN || rowspan="4" | 2
|-
|ws || 0
|-
|pN || bye
| rowspan="2" | pN || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|TiP || n/s
|}

Third Ladle:

{{Ladle-7}}

Ladle-6/Challenge Board

2006-11-28T16:08:59Z

24.82.112.103: /* Fortress Challenge Board */

{{Ladle-6}}

The Challenge Board is designed to make the pairing of teams easy for Sunday 3rd December. Place the name of your team on the appropriate Challenge Board for the server settings and game-style you wish to play in. You might wish to '''create a wiki page of for your team or place expected teammates in brackets on the Challenge Board.''' There may be a choice of servers to allow predominantly American teams an opportunity to play in a low-ping grid.

{| border="2" cellpadding="2" style="text-align:center"
! || UTC/GMT || PST || EST
|-
| '''Quarter Finals''' || 7:30pm || 11:30am || 2:30pm
|-
| '''Semi Finals''' || 8:15pm || 12:15am || 3:15pm
|-
| '''Finals''' || 9pm || 1pm || 4pm
|-
|}

All Challenge Boards will be locked at 0:00 am GMT on the day of the event Sunday 3rd December.

== Fortress Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is... [http://tui.owns.it TuI] (Çråçk, Rico, Opium, PuRpLe KuSh, Bud, ketamine, psychedelic {maybe}, {possibly 4 others as well})
* Team 2 is... [http://www.oops-clan.org/ °°ps] (Hay-Lin, redice, Plato, AshitakA, Manta, rain, pixel (maybe), freako (maybe))
----
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is... [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] (Sasha, joda, psyko, Speed, k3nNy, Omega, Demon, Oblivion)
----
* Team 5 is... [[Tronic Monkeys]] ^tm (one, Legit, wrtl, canada, JJBean)
* Team 6 is...
----
* Team 7 is... [[Team somethingsomething]] (MaZuffeR, pavelo, Pez, eggcozy, newbie, Infamous, nemostultae (maybe)) (invite only)
* Team 8 is...

;Quarter Finals 7.30pm GMT
:[http://tui.owns.it TuI] challenges [http://www.oops-clan.org/ °°ps] on Z-man's Tournament Fortress
:Team 3 challenges [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] on AST Fortress
:[[Tronic Monkeys]] challenges Team 6 on 2020 team challenge
:[[Team somethingsomething]] challenges Team 8 on wrtlprnft's fortress or Wildwest - Fortress

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on Z-man's Tournament Fortress
:Team 5/6 challenges Team 7/8 on Wildwest - Fortress or wrtlprnft

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2/3/4 challenges Team 5/6/7/8 on Z-man's Tournament Fortress or wrtlprnft's server

Provisional brackets will be set out on the day of the match, and the following table will be filled in throughout the tournament. '''Do not write on the following board; feel free to jockey for position in the above team list'''.
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|team 1 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 1/2 || rowspan="2" | ?
| rowspan="4" | team 1/2/3/4 || rowspan="4" | ?
| rowspan="8" | team 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8
|-
|team 2 || ?
|-
|team 3 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 3/4 || rowspan="2" | ?
|-
|team 4 || ?
|-
|team 5 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 5/6 || rowspan="2" | ?
| rowspan="4" | team 5/6/7/8 || rowspan="4" | ?
|-
|team 6 || ?
|-
|team 7 || ?
| rowspan="2" | Tteam 7/8 || rowspan="2" | ?
|-
|team 8 || ?
|}

== Wild-Fortress Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is...
* Team 2 is...
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is...

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1 challenges Team 2 on crazy tronners wild fortress
:Team 3 challenges Team 4 on ?? server

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on crazy tronners wild fortress

== Speeders Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is...
* Team 2 is...
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is...

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1 challenges Team 2 on Speeders
:Team 3 challenges Team 4 on ?? server

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on Speeders

{{Ladle-6}}

Ladle-6/Challenge Board

2006-11-28T16:08:30Z

24.82.112.103: /* Fortress Challenge Board */

{{Ladle-6}}

The Challenge Board is designed to make the pairing of teams easy for Sunday 3rd December. Place the name of your team on the appropriate Challenge Board for the server settings and game-style you wish to play in. You might wish to '''create a wiki page of for your team or place expected teammates in brackets on the Challenge Board.''' There may be a choice of servers to allow predominantly American teams an opportunity to play in a low-ping grid.

{| border="2" cellpadding="2" style="text-align:center"
! || UTC/GMT || PST || EST
|-
| '''Quarter Finals''' || 7:30pm || 11:30am || 2:30pm
|-
| '''Semi Finals''' || 8:15pm || 12:15am || 3:15pm
|-
| '''Finals''' || 9pm || 1pm || 4pm
|-
|}

All Challenge Boards will be locked at 0:00 am GMT on the day of the event Sunday 3rd December.

== Fortress Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is... [http://tui.owns.it TuI] (Çråçk, Rico, Opium, PuRpLe KuSh, Bud, ketamine, psychedelic {maybe}, {possibly 4 others as well})
* Team 2 is... [http://www.oops-clan.org/ °°ps] (Hay-Lin, redice, Plato, AshitakA, Manta, rain, pixel (maybe), freako (maybe))
----
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is... [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] (Sasha, joda, psyko, Speed, k3nNy, Omega, Demon, Oblivion)
----
* Team 5 is... [[Tronic Monkeys]] ^tm (one, Legit, wrtl, canada, [[JJBean]])
* Team 6 is...
----
* Team 7 is... [[Team somethingsomething]] (MaZuffeR, pavelo, Pez, eggcozy, newbie, Infamous, nemostultae (maybe)) (invite only)
* Team 8 is...

;Quarter Finals 7.30pm GMT
:[http://tui.owns.it TuI] challenges [http://www.oops-clan.org/ °°ps] on Z-man's Tournament Fortress
:Team 3 challenges [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] on AST Fortress
:[[Tronic Monkeys]] challenges Team 6 on 2020 team challenge
:[[Team somethingsomething]] challenges Team 8 on wrtlprnft's fortress or Wildwest - Fortress

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on Z-man's Tournament Fortress
:Team 5/6 challenges Team 7/8 on Wildwest - Fortress or wrtlprnft

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2/3/4 challenges Team 5/6/7/8 on Z-man's Tournament Fortress or wrtlprnft's server

Provisional brackets will be set out on the day of the match, and the following table will be filled in throughout the tournament. '''Do not write on the following board; feel free to jockey for position in the above team list'''.
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|team 1 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 1/2 || rowspan="2" | ?
| rowspan="4" | team 1/2/3/4 || rowspan="4" | ?
| rowspan="8" | team 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8
|-
|team 2 || ?
|-
|team 3 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 3/4 || rowspan="2" | ?
|-
|team 4 || ?
|-
|team 5 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 5/6 || rowspan="2" | ?
| rowspan="4" | team 5/6/7/8 || rowspan="4" | ?
|-
|team 6 || ?
|-
|team 7 || ?
| rowspan="2" | Tteam 7/8 || rowspan="2" | ?
|-
|team 8 || ?
|}

== Wild-Fortress Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is...
* Team 2 is...
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is...

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1 challenges Team 2 on crazy tronners wild fortress
:Team 3 challenges Team 4 on ?? server

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on crazy tronners wild fortress

== Speeders Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is...
* Team 2 is...
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is...

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1 challenges Team 2 on Speeders
:Team 3 challenges Team 4 on ?? server

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on Speeders

{{Ladle-6}}

Ladle-6/Challenge Board

2006-11-28T05:48:35Z

24.82.112.103: /* Fortress Challenge Board */

{{Ladle-6}}

The Challenge Board is designed to make the pairing of teams easy for Sunday 3rd December. Place the name of your team on the appropriate Challenge Board for the server settings and game-style you wish to play in. You might wish to '''create a wiki page of for your team or place expected teammates in brackets on the Challenge Board.''' There may be a choice of servers to allow predominantly American teams an opportunity to play in a low-ping grid.

{| border="2" cellpadding="2" style="text-align:center"
! || UTC/GMT || PST || EST
|-
| '''Quarter Finals''' || 7:30pm || 11:30am || 2:30pm
|-
| '''Semi Finals''' || 8:15pm || 12:15am || 3:15pm
|-
| '''Finals''' || 9pm || 1pm || 4pm
|-
|}

All Challenge Boards will be locked at 0:00 am GMT on the day of the event Sunday 3rd December.

== Fortress Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is... [http://tui.owns.it TuI] (Çråçk, Rico, Opium, PuRpLe KuSh, Bud, ketamine, psychedelic {maybe}, {possibly 4 others as well})
* Team 2 is... [http://www.oops-clan.org/ °°ps] (Hay-Lin, redice, Plato, AshitakA, Manta, rain, pixel (maybe), freako (maybe))
----
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is... [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] (Sasha, joda, psyko, Speed, k3nNy, Omega, Demon, Oblivion)
----
* Team 5 is... [[Tronic Monkeys]] ^tm (one, Legit, wrtl, canada)
* Team 6 is...
----
* Team 7 is... [[Team somethingsomething]] (MaZuffeR, pavelo, Pez, eggcozy, newbie, Infamous, nemostultae (maybe)) (invite only)
* Team 8 is...

;Quarter Finals 7.30pm GMT
:[http://tui.owns.it TuI] challenges [http://www.oops-clan.org/ °°ps] on Z-man's Tournament Fortress
:Team 3 challenges [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] on AST Fortress
:[[Tronic Monkeys]] challenges [[Wraith Squadron]] on 2020 team challenge
:[[Team somethingsomething]] challenges Team 8 on wrtlprnft's fortress or Wildwest - Fortress

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on Z-man's Tournament Fortress
:Team 5/6 challenges Team 7/8 on Wildwest - Fortress or wrtlprnft

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2/3/4 challenges Team 5/6/7/8 on Z-man's Tournament Fortress or wrtlprnft's server

Provisional brackets will be set out on the day of the match, and the following table will be filled in throughout the tournament. '''Do not write on the following board; feel free to jockey for position in the above team list'''.
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|team 1 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 1/2 || rowspan="2" | ?
| rowspan="4" | team 1/2/3/4 || rowspan="4" | ?
| rowspan="8" | team 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8
|-
|team 2 || ?
|-
|team 3 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 3/4 || rowspan="2" | ?
|-
|team 4 || ?
|-
|team 5 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 5/6 || rowspan="2" | ?
| rowspan="4" | team 5/6/7/8 || rowspan="4" | ?
|-
|team 6 || ?
|-
|team 7 || ?
| rowspan="2" | Tteam 7/8 || rowspan="2" | ?
|-
|team 8 || ?
|}

== Wild-Fortress Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is...
* Team 2 is...
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is...

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1 challenges Team 2 on crazy tronners wild fortress
:Team 3 challenges Team 4 on ?? server

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on crazy tronners wild fortress

== Speeders Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is...
* Team 2 is...
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is...

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1 challenges Team 2 on Speeders
:Team 3 challenges Team 4 on ?? server

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on Speeders

{{Ladle-6}}

Ladle-6/Challenge Board

2006-11-22T06:30:17Z

24.82.112.103: /* Fortress Challenge Board */

{{Ladle-6}}

The Challenge Board is designed to make the pairing of teams easy for Sunday 3rd December. Place the name of your team on the appropriate Challenge Board for the server settings and game-style you wish to play in. You might wish to '''create a wiki page of for your team or place expected teammates in brackets on the Challenge Board.''' There may be a choice of servers to allow predominantly American teams an opportunity to play in a low-ping grid.

{| border="2" cellpadding="2" style="text-align:center"
! || UTC/GMT || PST || EST
|-
| '''Quarter Finals''' || 7:30pm || 11:30am || 2:30pm
|-
| '''Semi Finals''' || 8:15pm || 12:15am || 3:15pm
|-
| '''Finals''' || 9pm || 1pm || 4pm
|-
|}

All Challenge Boards will be locked at 0:00 am GMT on the day of the event Sunday 3rd December.

== Fortress Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is... [http://tui.owns.it TuI] (Çråçk, )
* Team 2 is... [http://www.oops-clan.org/ °°ps] (Hay-Lin, redice, Plato, AshitakA, Manta, rain)
----
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is...
----
* Team 5 is... [[Tronic Monkeys]] ^tm (one, rain, Legit, joda, k3nny, omega, wrtl)
* Team 6 is... [[Wraith Squadron]] (WS) (JJbean, Blaze, Kama, Upa, Dook, Jud, Goody)
----
* Team 7 is...
* Team 8 is...

;Quarter Finals 7.30pm GMT
:Team 1 ([http://tui.owns.it TuI]) challenges Team 2 on Z-man's Tournament Fortress
:Team 3 challenges Team 4 on AST Fortress
:Team 5 challenges Team 6 on 2020 team challenge
:Team 7 challenges Team 8 on LOD Lords of Destruction Fortress Server or Wildwest - Fortress

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on Z-man's Tournament Fortress
:Team 5/6 challenges Team 7/8 on Wildwest - Fortress (bugfarm)r or team challenge

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2/3/4 challenges Team 5/6/7/8 on Z-man's Tournament Fortress

Provisional brackets will be set out on the day of the match, and the following table will be filled in throughout the tournament. Do not write on the following board; feel free to jockey for position in the above team list.
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|[http://tui.owns.it TuI] || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 1/2 || rowspan="2" | ?
| rowspan="4" | team 1/2/3/4 || rowspan="4" | ?
| rowspan="8" | team 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8
|-
|team 2 || ?
|-
|team 3 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 3/4 || rowspan="2" | ?
|-
|team 4 || ?
|-
|team 5 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 5/6 || rowspan="2" | ?
| rowspan="4" | team 5/6/7/8 || rowspan="4" | ?
|-
|team 6 || ?
|-
|team 7 || ?
| rowspan="2" | Tteam 7/8 || rowspan="2" | ?
|-
|team 8 || ?
|}

== Wild-Fortress Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is...
* Team 2 is...
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is...

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1 challenges Team 2 on crazy tronners wild fortress
:Team 3 challenges Team 4 on ?? server

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on crazy tronners wild fortress

== Speeders Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is...
* Team 2 is...
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is...

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1 challenges Team 2 on Speeders
:Team 3 challenges Team 4 on ?? server

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on Speeders

{{Ladle-6}}

Ladle-5/Challenge Board

2006-10-30T06:18:10Z

24.82.112.103: /* Fortress Challenge Board */

{{Ladle-5}}

The Challenge Board is designed to make the pairing of teams easy for Sunday 5th November. Place the name of your team on the appropriate Challenge Board for the server settings and game-style you wish to play in. You might wish to '''create a wiki page of for your team or place expected teammates in brackets on the Challenge Board.''' There may be a choice of servers to allow predominantly American teams an opportunity to play in a low-ping grid.

{| border="2" cellpadding="2" style="text-align:center"
! || UTC/GMT || PST || EST
|-
| '''Quarter Finals''' || 7:30pm || 11:30am || 2:30pm
|-
| '''Semi Finals''' || 8:15pm || 12:15am || 3:15pm
|-
| '''Finals''' || 9pm || 1pm || 4pm
|-
|}

All Challenge Boards will be locked at 0:00 am GMT on the day of the event Sunday 5th November.

== Fortress Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is... [[Wraith Squadron]] (WS)
* Team 2 is...
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is...
* Team 5 is... [[Tronic Monkeys]] ^tm (one, rain, Legit)
* Team 6 is... [http://tui.owns.it Tronners Under the Influence ~ TuI] (Crack, insanity, ...)
* Team 7 is... [[Professional Killers Club~PKC]]
* Team 8 is...

;Quarter Finals 7.30pm GMT
:Team 1 challenges Team 2 on Z-man's Tournament Fortress
:Team 3 challenges Team 4 on AST Fortress
:Team 5 challenges Team 6 on 2020 team challenge
:Team 7 challenges Team 8 on LOD Lords of Destruction Fortress Server or Wildwest - Fortress

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on Z-man's Tournament Fortress
:Team 5/6 challenges Team 7/8 on Wildwest - Fortress (bugfarm)r or team challenge

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2/3/4 challenges Team 5/6/7/8 on Z-man's Tournament Fortress

== Wild-Fortress Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is...
* Team 2 is...
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is...

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1 challenges Team 2 on crazy tronners wild fortress
:Team 3 challenges Team 4 on ?? server

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on crazy tronners wild fortress

== Speeders Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is...
* Team 2 is...
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is...

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1 challenges Team 2 on Speeders
:Team 3 challenges Team 4 on ?? server

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on Speeders

== Provisional Brackets ==

Each category will have following table filled in before the event so players know where who they will be playing against.

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|team 1 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 1/2 || rowspan="2" | ?
| rowspan="4" | team 1/2/3/4 || rowspan="4" | ?
| rowspan="8" | team 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8
|-
|team 2 || ?
|-
|team 3 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 3/4 || rowspan="2" | ?
|-
|team 4 || ?
|-
|team 5 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team5/6 || rowspan="2" | ?
| rowspan="4" | team 5/6/7/8 || rowspan="4" | ?
|-
|team 6 || ?
|-
|team 7 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 7/8 || rowspan="2" | ?
|-
|team 8 || ?
|}

This will be filled out throughout the competition for each category.

{{Ladle-5}}

Ladle-5/Challenge Board

2006-10-30T05:58:08Z

24.82.112.103: /* Fortress Challenge Board */

{{Ladle-5}}

The Challenge Board is designed to make the pairing of teams easy for Sunday 5th November. Place the name of your team on the appropriate Challenge Board for the server settings and game-style you wish to play in. You might wish to '''create a wiki page of for your team or place expected teammates in brackets on the Challenge Board.''' There may be a choice of servers to allow predominantly American teams an opportunity to play in a low-ping grid.

{| border="2" cellpadding="2" style="text-align:center"
! || UTC/GMT || PST || EST
|-
| '''Quarter Finals''' || 7:30pm || 11:30am || 2:30pm
|-
| '''Semi Finals''' || 8:15pm || 12:15am || 3:15pm
|-
| '''Finals''' || 9pm || 1pm || 4pm
|-
|}

All Challenge Boards will be locked at 0:00 am GMT on the day of the event Sunday 5th November.

== Fortress Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is...
* Team 2 is...
* Team 3 is... [[Wraith Squadron]] (WS)
* Team 4 is...
* Team 5 is... [[Tronic Monkeys]] ^tm (one, rain, Legit)
* Team 6 is... [http://tui.owns.it Tronners Under the Influence ~ TuI] (Crack, insanity, ...)
* Team 7 is... [[Professional Killers Club~PKC]]
* Team 8 is...

;Quarter Finals 7.30pm GMT
:Team 1 challenges Team 2 on Z-man's Tournament Fortress
:Team 3 challenges Team 4 on AST Fortress
:Team 5 challenges Team 6 on 2020 team challenge
:Team 7 challenges Team 8 on LOD Lords of Destruction Fortress Server or Wildwest - Fortress

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on Z-man's Tournament Fortress
:Team 5/6 challenges Team 7/8 on Wildwest - Fortress (bugfarm)r or team challenge

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2/3/4 challenges Team 5/6/7/8 on Z-man's Tournament Fortress

== Wild-Fortress Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is...
* Team 2 is...
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is...

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1 challenges Team 2 on crazy tronners wild fortress
:Team 3 challenges Team 4 on ?? server

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on crazy tronners wild fortress

== Speeders Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is...
* Team 2 is...
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is...

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1 challenges Team 2 on Speeders
:Team 3 challenges Team 4 on ?? server

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on Speeders

== Provisional Brackets ==

Each category will have following table filled in before the event so players know where who they will be playing against.

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|team 1 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 1/2 || rowspan="2" | ?
| rowspan="4" | team 1/2/3/4 || rowspan="4" | ?
| rowspan="8" | team 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8
|-
|team 2 || ?
|-
|team 3 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 3/4 || rowspan="2" | ?
|-
|team 4 || ?
|-
|team 5 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team5/6 || rowspan="2" | ?
| rowspan="4" | team 5/6/7/8 || rowspan="4" | ?
|-
|team 6 || ?
|-
|team 7 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 7/8 || rowspan="2" | ?
|-
|team 8 || ?
|}

This will be filled out throughout the competition for each category.

{{Ladle-5}}

Ladle-5/Challenge Board

2006-10-30T05:57:13Z

24.82.112.103: /* Wild-Fortress Challenge Board */

{{Ladle-5}}

The Challenge Board is designed to make the pairing of teams easy for Sunday 5th November. Place the name of your team on the appropriate Challenge Board for the server settings and game-style you wish to play in. You might wish to '''create a wiki page of for your team or place expected teammates in brackets on the Challenge Board.''' There may be a choice of servers to allow predominantly American teams an opportunity to play in a low-ping grid.

{| border="2" cellpadding="2" style="text-align:center"
! || UTC/GMT || PST || EST
|-
| '''Quarter Finals''' || 7:30pm || 11:30am || 2:30pm
|-
| '''Semi Finals''' || 8:15pm || 12:15am || 3:15pm
|-
| '''Finals''' || 9pm || 1pm || 4pm
|-
|}

All Challenge Boards will be locked at 0:00 am GMT on the day of the event Sunday 5th November.

== Fortress Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is...
* Team 2 is...
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is...
* Team 5 is... [[Tronic Monkeys]] ^tm (one, rain, Legit)
* Team 6 is... [http://tui.owns.it Tronners Under the Influence ~ TuI] (Crack, insanity, ...)
* Team 7 is... [[Professional Killers Club~PKC]]
* Team 8 is...

;Quarter Finals 7.30pm GMT
:Team 1 challenges Team 2 on Z-man's Tournament Fortress
:Team 3 challenges Team 4 on AST Fortress
:Team 5 challenges Team 6 on 2020 team challenge
:Team 7 challenges Team 8 on LOD Lords of Destruction Fortress Server or Wildwest - Fortress

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on Z-man's Tournament Fortress
:Team 5/6 challenges Team 7/8 on Wildwest - Fortress (bugfarm)r or team challenge

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2/3/4 challenges Team 5/6/7/8 on Z-man's Tournament Fortress

== Wild-Fortress Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is...
* Team 2 is...
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is...

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1 challenges Team 2 on crazy tronners wild fortress
:Team 3 challenges Team 4 on ?? server

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on crazy tronners wild fortress

== Speeders Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is...
* Team 2 is...
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is...

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1 challenges Team 2 on Speeders
:Team 3 challenges Team 4 on ?? server

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on Speeders

== Provisional Brackets ==

Each category will have following table filled in before the event so players know where who they will be playing against.

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|team 1 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 1/2 || rowspan="2" | ?
| rowspan="4" | team 1/2/3/4 || rowspan="4" | ?
| rowspan="8" | team 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8
|-
|team 2 || ?
|-
|team 3 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 3/4 || rowspan="2" | ?
|-
|team 4 || ?
|-
|team 5 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team5/6 || rowspan="2" | ?
| rowspan="4" | team 5/6/7/8 || rowspan="4" | ?
|-
|team 6 || ?
|-
|team 7 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 7/8 || rowspan="2" | ?
|-
|team 8 || ?
|}

This will be filled out throughout the competition for each category.

{{Ladle-5}}

Ladle-5/Challenge Board

2006-10-30T05:56:27Z

24.82.112.103: /* Wild-Fortress Challenge Board */

{{Ladle-5}}

The Challenge Board is designed to make the pairing of teams easy for Sunday 5th November. Place the name of your team on the appropriate Challenge Board for the server settings and game-style you wish to play in. You might wish to '''create a wiki page of for your team or place expected teammates in brackets on the Challenge Board.''' There may be a choice of servers to allow predominantly American teams an opportunity to play in a low-ping grid.

{| border="2" cellpadding="2" style="text-align:center"
! || UTC/GMT || PST || EST
|-
| '''Quarter Finals''' || 7:30pm || 11:30am || 2:30pm
|-
| '''Semi Finals''' || 8:15pm || 12:15am || 3:15pm
|-
| '''Finals''' || 9pm || 1pm || 4pm
|-
|}

All Challenge Boards will be locked at 0:00 am GMT on the day of the event Sunday 5th November.

== Fortress Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is...
* Team 2 is...
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is...
* Team 5 is... [[Tronic Monkeys]] ^tm (one, rain, Legit)
* Team 6 is... [http://tui.owns.it Tronners Under the Influence ~ TuI] (Crack, insanity, ...)
* Team 7 is... [[Professional Killers Club~PKC]]
* Team 8 is...

;Quarter Finals 7.30pm GMT
:Team 1 challenges Team 2 on Z-man's Tournament Fortress
:Team 3 challenges Team 4 on AST Fortress
:Team 5 challenges Team 6 on 2020 team challenge
:Team 7 challenges Team 8 on LOD Lords of Destruction Fortress Server or Wildwest - Fortress

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on Z-man's Tournament Fortress
:Team 5/6 challenges Team 7/8 on Wildwest - Fortress (bugfarm)r or team challenge

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2/3/4 challenges Team 5/6/7/8 on Z-man's Tournament Fortress

== Wild-Fortress Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is...
* Team 2 is...
* Team 3 is... [[Wraith Squadron]]
* Team 4 is...

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1 challenges Team 2 on crazy tronners wild fortress
:Team 3 challenges Team 4 on ?? server

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on crazy tronners wild fortress

== Speeders Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is...
* Team 2 is...
* Team 3 is...
* Team 4 is...

;Semi Finals 8.15pm GMT
:Team 1 challenges Team 2 on Speeders
:Team 3 challenges Team 4 on ?? server

;Finals 9pm GMT
:Team 1/2 challenges Team 3/4 on Speeders

== Provisional Brackets ==

Each category will have following table filled in before the event so players know where who they will be playing against.

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|team 1 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 1/2 || rowspan="2" | ?
| rowspan="4" | team 1/2/3/4 || rowspan="4" | ?
| rowspan="8" | team 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8
|-
|team 2 || ?
|-
|team 3 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 3/4 || rowspan="2" | ?
|-
|team 4 || ?
|-
|team 5 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team5/6 || rowspan="2" | ?
| rowspan="4" | team 5/6/7/8 || rowspan="4" | ?
|-
|team 6 || ?
|-
|team 7 || ?
| rowspan="2" | team 7/8 || rowspan="2" | ?
|-
|team 8 || ?
|}

This will be filled out throughout the competition for each category.

{{Ladle-5}}

Wraith Squadron

2006-10-13T03:16:38Z

24.82.112.103: /* Ladle Notes */

----
{{4TFT2-table}}
{{Ladle}}

''Wraith Squadron was founded during the first tronic ladle to liven up the usual mix of 20 player clans filling the teams list.''
''There is no clan affiliation or silly rules.''
''For the most part we are governed by common-sense and talent.''

''The Wraith Squadron name is based on Aaron Allston's series of books. (Star Wars for the illiterate)''
----
{|
||

'''Offical WS servers:''' U.S.Fortress, Wild West - Fortress and Sumo
|| || || ||
'''-Members-'''
AshitakA
BlAzE
eclipse
JJBean
Goodygumdrops
kamakazi
Manta
|}

;Communication
We need to make sure we have a reasonable form of communication so can we enter the server within a few minutes of each other. As far as coordinating the team MSN seems to be working the best. Remember windows includes the MSN client and you can use your hotmail account to log in.

Durka has graciously set up a chat-room for us: [[Wraith Squadron - Chat Room]]

Also Durka made a new forum so it would be easier for all of the clans to communicate, organize wars, tournaments, and view stuff about certain servers. [http://armaclans.freehostia.com Armagetron Clans]

==Team Schedule==

''Can you attend? Please leave a y for yes, n for no, and m for maybe''
{|
! Date || Ash. || BlAzE || Dook. || eclip. || kama. || Manta || Me || Goody || JJBean || ||
|
|-
|Team Practice - Fri, Sep 29th (8pm PST 3am GMT) || m || m || m || m || m || y || m || m || m || ||
|-
|'''Ladle - Sun, Oct 1st (2pm PST 9pm GMT)''' || m || m || m || m || m || y || m || m || m || ||
|
|-
|colspan="15" | ''During the ladle it might be a good idea to come early to warm up as matches start whether or not we are ready.''
[http://www.greenwichmeantime.com Time Coordination]
|-
|}

== Wraith Squadron Notes ==
Any comments or notes you wish to make.

Wraith Squadron has an official forum....... we need a link though, could you please post one eclipse.

JJBean is on the membership roster.

== Ladle Notes ==

;Holes
As far as holes, if you see one and you think you can safely make it GO FOR IT. However unless you are SURE your partner can take the zone successfully DON'T make a hole. We are better off having you alive.

;Win zone
We won't take the win zone unless the other team is gong for it, If they do all rules are off, make them sorry any way you can.

;Placement
Manta probably needs to be on the out side.

JJBean likes to be either spot 1,2, or 3.

;Defender
BlAzE is defender, kamakazi is backup, if one dies head back, don't leave defense alone.

Things can change so use your judgment as to what needs to be done and where you will be needed.

Wraith Squadron

2006-10-13T03:16:08Z

24.82.112.103: /* Ladle Notes */

----
{{4TFT2-table}}
{{Ladle}}

''Wraith Squadron was founded during the first tronic ladle to liven up the usual mix of 20 player clans filling the teams list.''
''There is no clan affiliation or silly rules.''
''For the most part we are governed by common-sense and talent.''

''The Wraith Squadron name is based on Aaron Allston's series of books. (Star Wars for the illiterate)''
----
{|
||

'''Offical WS servers:''' U.S.Fortress, Wild West - Fortress and Sumo
|| || || ||
'''-Members-'''
AshitakA
BlAzE
eclipse
JJBean
Goodygumdrops
kamakazi
Manta
|}

;Communication
We need to make sure we have a reasonable form of communication so can we enter the server within a few minutes of each other. As far as coordinating the team MSN seems to be working the best. Remember windows includes the MSN client and you can use your hotmail account to log in.

Durka has graciously set up a chat-room for us: [[Wraith Squadron - Chat Room]]

Also Durka made a new forum so it would be easier for all of the clans to communicate, organize wars, tournaments, and view stuff about certain servers. [http://armaclans.freehostia.com Armagetron Clans]

==Team Schedule==

''Can you attend? Please leave a y for yes, n for no, and m for maybe''
{|
! Date || Ash. || BlAzE || Dook. || eclip. || kama. || Manta || Me || Goody || JJBean || ||
|
|-
|Team Practice - Fri, Sep 29th (8pm PST 3am GMT) || m || m || m || m || m || y || m || m || m || ||
|-
|'''Ladle - Sun, Oct 1st (2pm PST 9pm GMT)''' || m || m || m || m || m || y || m || m || m || ||
|
|-
|colspan="15" | ''During the ladle it might be a good idea to come early to warm up as matches start whether or not we are ready.''
[http://www.greenwichmeantime.com Time Coordination]
|-
|}

== Wraith Squadron Notes ==
Any comments or notes you wish to make.

Wraith Squadron has an official forum....... we need a link though, could you please post one eclipse.

JJBean is on the membership roster.

== Ladle Notes ==

;Holes
As far as holes, if you see one and you think you can safely make it GO FOR IT. However unless you are SURE your partner can take the zone successfully DON'T make a hole. We are better off having you alive.

;Win zone
We won't take the win zone unless the other team is gong for it, If they do all rules are off, make them sorry any way you can.

;Placement
Manta probably needs to be on the out side.
JJBean likes to be either spot 1,2, or 3.
;Defender
BlAzE is defender, kamakazi is backup, if one dies head back, don't leave defense alone.

Things can change so use your judgment as to what needs to be done and where you will be needed.

Wraith Squadron

2006-10-01T18:25:01Z

24.82.112.103: /* Wraith Squadron Notes */

----
{{4TFT2-table}}
{{Ladle}}

{|
||

'''Offical WS servers:''' U.S.Fortress, Wild West - Fortress and Sumo
|| || || ||
'''-Members-'''
AshitakA
BlAzE
eclipse
Goodygumdrops
kamakazi
Manta
|}

;Communication
We need to make sure we have a reasonable form of communication so can we enter the server within a few minutes of each other. As far as coordinating the team MSN seems to be working the best. Remember windows includes the MSN client and you can use your hotmail account to log in.

Durka has graciously set up a chat-room for us: [[Wraith Squadron - Chat Room]]
It's a bit flaky on my browser but please give it a try and see how it works for you.
:It was flaky when I was sharing the hosting on my server that has a bunch of stuff on it already. I transfered it back to the main host and it works perfectly. No more troubles signing on. ---[[User:Durka|Durka]] 13:03, 9 September 2006 (CDT)

===Team Schedule===

''Can you attend? Please leave a y for yes, n for no, and m for maybe''
{|
! Date || Ash. || BlAzE || Dook. || eclip. || kama. || Manta || Me || Goody || || ||
|
|-
|'''[[4 Team Fortress Tourney 1|4 Team Fort]] Sun, Sep-17th (3pm PST 10pm GMT)''' || m || m || m || m || m || y || m || m || || ||
|-
|Team Practice - Wed, Sep 20th (8pm PST 3am GMT) || m || m || m || m || m || y || m || m || || ||
|-
|Team Practice - Wed, Sep 27th (8pm PST 3am GMT) || m || m || m || m || m || y || m || m || || ||
|-
|Team Practice - Fri, Sep 29th (8pm PST 3am GMT) || m || m || m || m || m || y || m || m || || ||
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|colspan="15" | ''During the ladle it might be a good idea to come early to warm up as matches start whether or not we are ready.''
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== Wraith Squadron Notes ==
Any comments or notes you wish to make.

Wraith Squadron has an offical forum....... we need a link though, could you please post one eclipse.

Retrospection: In the 3rd ladle match, which was on September the 3rd , it looked like all team mates wanted to defend our zone. So we let ourselves not enough room to evolve or device our game play. There were only 2 or 3 attacks during 2 matches. That’s not enough to win. So I think for the future it would be not wrong to arrange the best position for every team mate as well as a second position to fill in for someone in case of being prevented on the given day. Otherwise everybody plays like he wants to and we try to find out our strategy during the next ladle match. Maybe it is funny and a little bit chaotic, but that way (without conception) i think we only can make the 1st place with a lot of luck. We don't need luck, we could be better. I know it. (AshitakA)

Very good points AshitakA, I think part of the problem was my arriving late, some of our players being out of town and some having other responsibilities at game time and then substitute players who we had not practiced with. In the end we never did get our act together. Over all we did do very well against THE best team but we played as if it was an everyday match and our organization sucked.
It did not work out this time because of everyone schedules but we probably need to have a pregame meeting with all the members who are present to decide who will be where in the line up and doing what. We may also need to work on getting a few more members as having subs seems to really through us off. So far our core members are all very good at team work so we need to keep that in mind for any one else. PS hope you can stay with us goodygumdrops.
Ash is there any chance you can use MSN or IRC? right now you are the only member who we can't easily contact. --Manta

Hey this is JJBean, Kama told me to post on here, cuz i was wanting to join and i didnt see any other places to post. so just wondering if i could join you guys - JJBean

== Ladle Notes ==

;Holes
As far as holes, if you see one and you think you can safely make it GO FOR IT. However unless you are SURE your partner can take the zone successfully DON'T make a hole. We are better off having you alive.

;Win zone
We won't take the win zone unless the other team is gong for it, If they do all rules are off, make them sorry any way you can.

;Placement
Manta probably needs to be on the out side.

;Defender
BlAzE is defender, kamakazi is backup, if one dies head back, don't leave defense alone.

Things can change so use your judgment as to what needs to be done and where you will be needed.