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Talk:Anarchic wanderers

2007-03-17T02:49:48Z

Ghableska: /* Forum names/other contact info */

;*Use [http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc This] to convert Timzones.
;*History of this talk page [[Anarchic Wanderers history]]

== Forum names/other contact info ==
*Van: Van-hayes, lamb--chop@hotmail.com
*TBL: TBL, My AIM is goodSNsAllTaken, or goodnamesalltaken@gmail.com
*2020: 2020, 2020@davidpinto.org
*feather: featherfcuk, eirikurj@gmail.com
*madmax: madmax, madmax.ptz@gmail.com
*ghableska: Ghableska, ghableska@yahoo.com
*gArIsImO: garismo, garisimo@aol.com
*rain: rain@buio.org
*Hay-Lin: princess@buio.org
*'''~ Rico''': Forum name = Ricochet, MSN/email = tcs_ownz_you@hotmail.co.uk
*Sticky: MSN: trippy_hippy40@hotmail.com
*[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]]: “wrtlprnft” on the forums, <code>wrtlprnft@jabber.org</code> or “wrtlprnft” on <code>irc.freenode.net</code> (i'm in <code>#armagetron</code>)

== RollCall ==

== TeamChat ==
The front page looks like a pretty impressive archive, if you ask me. It reminds me of the attitude of how we started. Tricky this... not forming a clan and yet playing in a team. Pity AW weren't in the last Tronic Ladle. I still think it is a good idea, no membership, anyone can join... appealing...--[[User:2020|2020]] 10:05, 6 October 2006 (CDT)

== ~~''NOTICE''~~ ==
O.K since there is a new ladle coming up, and SP want a match versus AW before that, I thought it would be nice to have a clean talk page. So I have moved the old talk page to a new page, the link to it is at the top of the page. And if you can from now on could you add your signature, it just makes it look better/neater. Thanks.--[[User:Vanhayes|Vanhayes]]

When posting possible games, date them. Thanks. [[User:2020|2020]]

{{Ladle}}

Anarchic wanderers AFL

2007-03-16T23:21:30Z

Ghableska: /* Anarchic Wanderers */

== Anarchic Wanderers ==

* Rico
* 2020
* ghableska

User:Ghableska

2007-02-25T21:44:54Z

Ghableska: Replacing page with 'o_O'

o_O

Ladle-4/Team List

2006-09-09T14:51:44Z

Ghableska: /* Team Monster (name subject to change) (2 Players) */

{{Ladle-4}}

The Fourth Tronic Ladle will be played on Sunday 1st October with the finals at 9pm GMT (US: 5pm EDT, 3pm MDT, 4pm CDT, UK: 10pm BST, DE: 23:00 CEST).

Form a team or add your name to one. The following list is provisional: actual players on the day may be different. It is merely a record of intention. Please indicate a Team-Captain. This is a very important role and requires reasonable responsibility -- choose carefully.

== [[Tronic Monkeys]] (1 Player) ==

*2020 (declaring myself captain, but only until a better one is established...)

== [[We Pwn Noobs|WPN]] (4 Players) ==
* [[User:Durka|Durka]]
* [[User:Legit|Legit]]
* [[User:Chuck|Chuck]] aka Betu
* G5
(more will sign up)

== Team Monster (name subject to change) (3 Players) ==
* [[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] (captain for now, until someone else takes it)
* help im a bug
* ghableska

== proN00bz ];) (3 Players) ==
* newbÎe
* ~*SP*~Slash
* Luzifer

==[[SteveTaylor|Steve Taylor]] (1 Player)==
* [[User:Lackadaisical|Lackadaisical]] (capitán, open for sign ups, check our page)

It has been suggested that one of the ways we can make the event more exciting is by experienced players starting up new teams. For example, [[anarchic wanderers]] players will each or in pairs, start up a new team. They will be responsible for recruiting new players, training them up, and presenting them at the next Tronic Ladle. Could be fun.

{{Ladle-4}}

Ladle-4/Team List

2006-09-09T14:51:15Z

Ghableska: /* Team Monster (name subject to change) (2 Players) */

{{Ladle-4}}

The Fourth Tronic Ladle will be played on Sunday 1st October with the finals at 9pm GMT (US: 5pm EDT, 3pm MDT, 4pm CDT, UK: 10pm BST, DE: 23:00 CEST).

Form a team or add your name to one. The following list is provisional: actual players on the day may be different. It is merely a record of intention. Please indicate a Team-Captain. This is a very important role and requires reasonable responsibility -- choose carefully.

== [[Tronic Monkeys]] (1 Player) ==

*2020 (declaring myself captain, but only until a better one is established...)

== [[We Pwn Noobs|WPN]] (4 Players) ==
* [[User:Durka|Durka]]
* [[User:Legit|Legit]]
* [[User:Chuck|Chuck]] aka Betu
* G5
(more will sign up)

== Team Monster (name subject to change) (2 Players) ==
* [[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] (captain for now, until someone else takes it)
* help im a bug
* ghableska

== proN00bz ];) (3 Players) ==
* newbÎe
* ~*SP*~Slash
* Luzifer

==[[SteveTaylor|Steve Taylor]] (1 Player)==
* [[User:Lackadaisical|Lackadaisical]] (capitán, open for sign ups, check our page)

It has been suggested that one of the ways we can make the event more exciting is by experienced players starting up new teams. For example, [[anarchic wanderers]] players will each or in pairs, start up a new team. They will be responsible for recruiting new players, training them up, and presenting them at the next Tronic Ladle. Could be fun.

{{Ladle-4}}

Tronic Monkeys

2006-09-09T14:43:58Z

Ghableska: /* we are */

We are the Tronic Monkeys, and we take our play very seriously™.

We are a fortress-team formed to play in the [[Ladle-4|Fourth Tronic Ladle]] on the 1st Ocotber 2006, part of some mad-capped plan to take over the world with [[Tronic]].

One of the design intentions of Tronic Monkeys is to field a team with a mix of experience: some players experienced in Fortress, others who have experience of solo servers, and players new to the game. Once a competition has been played in (or won), players are then capable of starting their own teams... in this way, we hope to populate the virtual world with Tronic Monkeys.

=== we are ===

;[[User:2020|2020]]
:Love this game. This is as good as it gets. Classic design. Standard Fortress Settings were designed by God and inserted into the mind of Z-man and the hearts of his inspired team of developers. I am happy to play my part. When I am playing in my team, I am one™.

=== record of games ===

Not many so far... hehehe

Ladle-4/Team List

2006-09-08T22:36:42Z

Ghableska: /* Tronic Monkeys (2 Players) */

{{Ladle-4}}

The Fourth Tronic Ladle will be played on Sunday 1st October with the finals at 9pm GMT (US: 5pm EDT, 3pm MDT, 4pm CDT, UK: 10pm BST, DE: 23:00 CEST).

Form a team or add your name to one. The following list is provisional: actual players on the day may be different. It is merely a record of intention. Please indicate a Team-Captain. This is a very important role and requires reasonable responsibility -- choose carefully.

== [[Tronic Monkeys]] (2 Players) ==

*2020 (declaring myself captain, but only until a better one is established...)

== [[We Pwn Noobs|WPN]] (4 Players) ==
* [[User:Durka|Durka]]
* [[User:Legit|Legit]]
* [[User:Chuck|Chuck]] aka Betu
* G5
(more will sign up)

== Team Monster (name subject to change) (2 Players) ==
* [[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] (captain for now, until someone else takes it)
* help im a bug

== proN00bz ];) (3 Players) ==
* newbÎe
* ~*SP*~Slash
* Luzifer

==[[SteveTaylor|Steve Taylor]] (1 Player)==
* [[User:Lackadaisical|Lackadaisical]] (capitán, open for sign ups, check our page)

It has been suggested that one of the ways we can make the event more exciting is by experienced players starting up new teams. For example, [[anarchic wanderers]] players will each or in pairs, start up a new team. They will be responsible for recruiting new players, training them up, and presenting them at the next Tronic Ladle. Could be fun.

{{Ladle-4}}

Ladle-4/Team List

2006-09-04T17:00:15Z

Ghableska: /* Tronic Monkeys */

Competition Hub

2006-09-04T03:41:26Z

Ghableska:

Want to join a tournament, browse an old one, or organize/create a new one... well you're in the right place
 
 
{|- border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
| style="background:lightgray" | '''[[4_Team_Fortress_Tourney_1|4 Clan Fortress Tournament]]'''
|-
| The first 4 team fortress tournament 
Discussion [[Talk:4_Team_Fortress_Tourney_1 | here]]
|-
|-
| style="background:lightgray" | {{LadleTbl}}
|-
| The Third Tronic Ladle fortress tournament will be played on Sun 3rd September '''with the final''' at 9pm GMT!
* First Stage: stick your name down on one of the [[LADLE team-lists|teams]] -- 58 players in 6 teams so far!
* Second Stage: make sure your captain visits the [[Challenge Room]].
* Third Stage: captains make use of the [[Challenge Board]] to determine provisional play-offs.
* Fourth Stage: check in with your team at 6.45pm GMT... though first games probably at 7.30 pm GMT. Have fun!
|-
| style="background:lightgray" | '''earlier competitions...'''
|-
|The first [[International_Tron_World_Cup|Tron World Cup]] took place in July and August 2006 and was won by the United Kingdom. Full scores of the matches are available on the [http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/ Official TWC Site]

The Third [[THE LADLE|Tronic Ladle]] was won by [[Ladle Winners|Anarchic Wanderers]] on 3rd September 2006.

The Second [[THE LADLE|Tronic Ladle]] was won by [[Ladle Winners|Anarchic Wanderers]] on 29th August 2006.

The First [[THE LADLE|Tronic Ladle]] was a fortress tournament with seven teams and was won by [[Ladle Winners|Shadow League]] on 1st July 2006.

The [[THE SPOON|Tronic Spoon]] was a fortress tournament of 87 players arranged into 8 and was won by [[Team somethingsomething]] in March 2006.
|}

Anarchic wanderers

2006-09-04T03:37:48Z

Ghableska:

[[Image:anarchic2.jpg]] 
We are evolving. Originally, the Anarchic Wanderers was merely a list of players who wanted to shadowbox fe-clan. Hence, it is not a clan. We managed one game; read about it [[6.3.8.0.5|here]]. We also played in [[THE SPOON]] tournament as one of the strong contenders; we didn't win it... but then again neither did anyone else...

We were strong contenders in the First Tronic Ladle, and we won the Second and Third.

Because of the anarchic nature of team, team member lists change... everyone is welcome though...

== '''Message''' ==

;From Van
: ok this page was getting a little too messy so from now on would anyone who wants to post a message use the talk page.
:To use talk page click on [http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Anarchic_wanderers Discussion] at very top of this page, where I have moved the previous messages, Thank you.

== [[Strategy Experiments]] ==
This link contains some ideas about the launch, as well as starting positions for team-members...

==players... past and present==
;PsYkO
:'''MUAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH''' =_+
;2020
:I want to practice some strategies at the team level... new launches... new ways of breaking... and see if there are some flank tactics or pair tactics that may emerge...
:Started working, so restricted playtime :( ... tell me when and where...
:Skype me: Fidocancan
;MaZuffeR
:Why? Why not. ;)
:Avaible almost always, preferred times between 4pm and 11pm GMT.
;Lackadaisical
:Because playing against the people here/people in fe is better than playing against random people.
:Playing whenever, but not always under this name, I guess i'm mostly available between 18PM-01AM GMT
;ghableska
:Same explanation as MaZ. In addition, it's fun and good practice.
:Weekdays are a bit iffy, but on weekends, I'm fine with 8pm GMT to whenever....
:Skype me: ghableska
;[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]]
:Why? To have fun of course :)
:Times between 12AM and 4AM GMT are the ones I prefer. I have no skype, you can find me over [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat IRC] on irc://freenode.org on the #armagetron channel, or just /msg me with my regular nick.
:In case MBC is involved in the fight... well, I guess I'll fight for them :)
;Vanhayes
:Because I Like Fortress, and want to take on the clans, eh.
:Usually availible between 4 pm and 9pm GMT-3, eh.
;Featherfcuk
:Because I'm a damn addict and I want a stronger fix. Also, I'm tired of the same strategy and would like to try something new..
:Available: usually always.
;madmax
:For the fun of playing with good players, and against good players. Not some messy random CVS game.
:Usually free from 17:00 GMT and 0:00 GMT, on weekends, 2:00 GMT, or something like that. =)
;TBL
:Jeffery Lebowski aka "The Dude", Venice Beach, Los Angeles, CA
:The Dude is not the kind of man that likes being tied down, so clans are a no go. Losely based teams however are fine.
:The Dude also enjoys talking about him self in 3rd person, bowling, acid flashbacks and driving around.
:The Dude is also available around evening GMT times, and fortress is his preferred fix.
;[[User:Durka|Durka]]
:Who: Me
:Why: Because I said so
;~}{Alex}{~
:Pretty much repeating of what people have already said. And aside from that, there is the fact that I enjoy pwning people... :)
:MSN me, tcs_ownz_you@hotmail.co.uk

==old games...==
There is a Match between AW and SP on saturday at 20:00 (8 pm)GMT. Hope you can make it, thanks.--[[User:Vanhayes|Vanhayes]]
* The game was played with rain, hay-lin, madmax, garisimo and me, we lost 3-1 [[User:Lackadaisical|Lackadaisical]]

Ladle Winners

2006-09-03T22:39:18Z

Ghableska:

{{Ladle}}

The winners of The Third Tronic Ladle on the 3rd September were [[anarchic wanderers]]!

The winners of The Second Tronic Ladle played within two hours on 29th July 2006 were [[anarchic wanderers]]!

The winners of the First Tronic Ladle played on Sat 1st July were [[Shadow League]].

==Congratulations to the Winners of the Second Ladle ==

'''[[anarchic wanderers]] beat Wraith Squadron in straight matches (3-0) in the final.

'''They beat LOL! in straight matches (2-0) in the semifinal.

=== Full Result of the Second Ladle ===

==== Semi-finals ====

'''AW vs LOL at Z-man's tournament server (2-0)'''

AW were Vanhayes (Team Captain), Hay-lin, 2020, rain and Meriton.

* I think we had the advantage over them with respect to ping, with only Vanhayes on our team over 100. This was probably the largest factor. [[User:2020|2020]]

LOL were TitnAss, G5...

'''WS vs SP at US Fortress (2-1)'''

WS were Blaze, Kamakazi, Me, Manta (Team Captain)

SP were Joda.bot (Team Captain), Oblivion, Battal and Lackadaisical(sub)

==== Finals ====

'''AW vs WS at Z-man's tournament (3-0)'''

AW were Vanhayes (team captain), Hay-lin, 2020, rain, and Meriton.

WS were Ashitaka, BlAzE, Kamakazi, Me, Manta

* Again, we had the advantage with most of their team with exorbitant ping. However, they pulled back and brought the game to us in the third match. Meri was left 1v4 about four times in the last match, and he won three of them. [[User:2020|2020]]

* Around 2 hours before the ladle in the match USA against Germany for the ITW gArIsImO disappeared. He got connection problems and maybe something else that made him not able to play the ladle. I wanted to thanks him anyway ( our capitan :) ) that, Im sure, lived in our spirits in those moments. I agree with 2020 about pings, but I think that Manta or spidey never had real problems to kill rain in 10 seconds everywhere. So I think we was organized well. And we played as good as to get a victory without lose a single match from the start. I played in center position with 2020 on my left or on my right, we attacked. Vanhayes and Hay-Lin was sweeping and Meriton was our goalie (thanks to him, he saved us). We had a fast attack with 2020 getting the side fast and furious and me trying to pass the middle and fuck up the defense before it was buildt. Meantime the sweeping was excellent, most of times no cycle touched meri's tail. And finally, 2020 already wrote, meri made a great work. Victory or not, the battle against WS has been very nice, relaxed and friendly. That is what I liked more. Last, I wanted to congratulate with them because this is the 2nd time they showed in the final match of the ladle. And Im glad too because 3 members of the oops clan played the final match and not in the same team. :) I hope I'll play again for aw in the next ladle. [[User:rain|rain]]

== Congratulations to the Winners of the First Ladle! ==

'''Shadow League beat Wraith Squadron in straight matches (2-0) in the final.'''

'''They beat Anarchic Wanderers in a nail-biting climax after going down in the first match (2-1) in the semi-finals.'''
*It was a close game. A very close game. Garrisimo was playing like a man on fire, but this still didn't prevent Shadow League from taking our zone once too often. They came back from first match loss, and in the third match, they came from behind to reach a nail-biting 98-98... well done! I played like a noob, and the rest of my team carried me. Next time... Shadow League... next time.... [[User:2020|2020]] 2nd July 2006

* In the first match, zop (who was playing for AW) was doing his usual speed-grinding thing towards or right side and by sheer bad luck, in the confusion of everyone shuffling around, our second (Ossi) and third defender (meriton) were both starting on the left side, whereas our goalie (Sasha) started on the right (IIRC), but due to sealing the center lane ended up on the left as well. To make matters worse, the other players on the right side did not realize they had no defender on their side or simply could not handle zop's speed grind: They grinded until the last moment, only to be surrounded by the speed-grinding zop, who then directly proceeded to insert himself (and a few friends of his ;) in our zone. Until we finally realised what went wrong, the match was nearly over, with us very much behind. I then shuffled over to the right and - by virtue of splitting real early - managed to delay zop until sasha had had a chance to setup. From then on, the teams were very evenly matched, but with the lead AW had gained, the first match went to them. The second match saw some very close fighting among great players, I don't recall much except - for the first time I can recall - feeling dwarfed by the great skill surrounding me. Both teams fought well, and as the last round arrived, it became clear that whoever won this round would win the match (both teams were slightly above 90 points IIRC). Luckily for SL, they made it, avoiding to drop out of the tournament by a very narrow margin. The third and final match started with a few rounds going to AW, and again every outcome was possible. After fierce fighting on both sides, both team got more than 90 points at the beginning of the last round (IIRC, it was 96 : 94 for AW). After some minutes, it was 98:96 for AW, and AW began to hunt our weaker players. In doing so, they left their goalie (garisimo) alone, and I was able to slip through to him. I used a standard speed attack, and trying not to leave me any space while still hiding behind his wall, garisimo tripped over his tail, and I was able get inside and claim the zone. At about the same time, one of our attackers got one of his pursuers, so the final score was 110:98 for SL.

:On our side, I could chiefly assess the performance of our defense team, were Sasha was a class of his own. Surrounded by 3 players, among which zop and lacka, he managed to hold them off for minutes, never leaving a gap, reclaiming all reachable space, and frequently killing them with his wall's edges. I was also able to assess the performance of AW's attack, which was humbling in its skill and coordination. Especially zop, who was chiefly responsible for AW's victory in the first match and AW's near victory in the second match, but also lacka and the others who provided who got there slower, but were no less effective once they were close. Never on the grid have I seen such skill, determination, and cooperation, and I can say that it would have been no shame at all to have to have lost that game to AW. [[User:Meriton|Meriton]] 14:54, 2 July 2006 (CEST)

*Well, the first match was intense, I was playing sweeper and helping def untill there were only two enemys left,then I would attack (though the offense didnt really need me, heh). This was a pretty close match, it was (I think) 100 something to 80 something for AW. Unfortunetley this was the only match I got to play, after this one my connection went insane, I couldnt even play a full round without getting disconected. I did get to see the last half of the last round, of the last match where it was 98 AW, 96 SL with SL taking it in the end with a zone capture. Congrats! --[[User:Vanhayes|Vanhayes]] 21:20, 3 July 2006 (ATL)

*The first match things were really chaotic for SL. the first 3 matches we played with 6 people so things went a lot slower. i was only able to get a few kills the first 2 matches because id keep getting beat trying to sweep or id make a stupid mistake. the second match we were able to pick up the pace and calm down a little. i think that was a relief to all the players cuz that first loss came so fast and i definetly wasnt expecting it to end that quickly. and then the final match we just did the same thing. i was able to get much more kills the final round. but when i died and it was just two SL's left. i got scarreeeedd. but badzilla did his thing and broke the defense. i wasnt able to see our defense but im sure they were putting up a huge fight also during those last few seconds. overall just a really tought battle. and the last two matches we were able to cut it close with comebacks. sky

*The best matches were SL vs AW. The others were not so hard and so intense. I felt nervous all these 3 matches, so sometimes did stupid mistakes and comited suicide before the meeting with enemy (AW) attackers. However when I met them I did my best. My wife sat near me and squealed each time I lost round...It was fun. I want to give many thanks to Ossi and meri who helped me defend. Also I want to give thanks to the others of my team and to great AW team for such intresting and realy good matches. Sasha

'''They beat Lords of Destruction in straight matches (2-0) in the quarter finals.'''

*.:thankyou. we played our best and i think the others would agree, AW gave us all a '''very''' difficult and stressful match. although we were missing belenus infamous and maverik. meriton and road came on the spot. and badzilla played very well in the AW match. sasha played very nice defense and Ossi played good as sweeper. Mayday and Man2d came in the finals and also played very nicely. and then Choco sub'd in for sasha later that match. thankyou meriton, badzilla, ossi, may.day, man2d, road, sasha, choc, and nazgul for coming to the events. this also goes to show you that there are plenty of nonclan players who know their stuff. To the teams that we did not play: if you guys would like to play us to see how u fare. find me in the games and we'll try to work something out. and thanks 2020 and the others for organizing this tournament. it was a lot of fun:. sky

=== The Full Results of the First Ladle ===
Please write as much info as you know and any game comments you wish to add...

==== Quarter-finals ====
'''Anarchic Wanderers v Speeders at Z-man's Ladle (2-0)'''

The Anarchic Wanderers were Zop, Eggcozy, Nii, Garissimo, Hay-linn, Vanhayes, Lackadaisical and 2020.

The Speeders were Psyko, What-up, Speed, Xell, Blackfang, Joda.bot, Oblivion, and Kenny.

* Tough game, and I think we caught them cold. With the best of 3, there is not much room for mistakes. Zop I think played well, and somehow he and my team-mates managed to penetrate Psyko's defence. The midfield was amazing. The skill level high. As part of the defence, it was amazing playing with Eggcozy and Vanhayes... and with Garissimo at the back doing his contracting and expanding, we kept them back for ages giving our offence time to do their magic. I was surprised how fast it went. [[User:2020|2020]] 2nd July 2006

* I gotta say Defense was amazing with these Matches, you couldnt ask for better there. I didnt see much of the Offense since I was sweeping, but with Zop, Lackadaisical, and evryone I can guess how it went. Good matches --[[User:Vanhayes|Vanhayes]] 21:25, 3 July 2006 (ATL)

'''Wraith Squadron v LØL at Bugfarm Fortress (2-1)'''

* Round 1: LØL 84 - WS 106
* Round 2: LØL 100 - WS 22
* Round 3: LØL 78 - WS 100

Wraith Squadron were BlAzE, Kamakazi, Manta, Me, upacreek.
Guest stars: Spidey (Only reason Wraith Squadron won)

LØL were Wildcat, Chuck, JJBean, G5, Legit, and Durka came in at the 10th round of the 3rd match. Guest stars: Luck and Man2d.

The WS and LØL teams agreed to just have a fun and enjoy the game. 6 vs. 6 players.
Do to there only being 2 ladle servers online we were forced to default to the ever active Bugfarm fortress server. This caused quite a bit of confusion with visiting players joining the match. Kindly, most willingly left or stayed as spectators. As a note it would be nice to have more fortress servers available to chose from next tournament.

'''Lords of Destruction v Shadow League at LoD Lords of Destruction Clanserver (0-2)'''

The Lords of Destruction were...

The Shadow League were...

'''Crazy Tronners were not represented so they got into the next round...'''

==== Semi-finals ====

'''Anarchic Wanderers v Shadow League at Z-man's Ladle (1-2)'''

The Anarchic Wanderers were Zop, Vanhayes, Garissimo, Eggcozy, Haylin, Lackadaisical, 2020, and Durka.

The Shadow League were Road66, Sky, Ossi, Man2d, Meriton, Badzilla, Mayday, and Sasha.

*(see Congratulations above) We were missing several of our regulars... Ghableska, Madmax, Featherfcuk, TBL... but we did ok in the end with some phenomenal players wearing the [AW] tag. Amazing amount of skill. [[User:2020|2020]] 2nd July 2006

'''Wraith Squadron v Crazy Tronners at Bugfarm Fortress (CT do not turn up)'''

==== Finals ====

'''Wraith Squadrn v Shadow League at Z-man's Ladle (0-2)'''

* Round 1: 48 - 106... Round 2: 62 - 108

* The Shadow League were: Road66, Sky, Ossi, Man2d, Meriton, Badzilla, Mayday, Sasha and Choco who substituted for Sasha

* Wraith Squadron were: BlAzE, Kamakazi, Manta, Me, upacreek, rain

All members of WS would like to congratulate Shadow League on their well earned victory. Their members played an excellent game. WS must admit to being a bit surprised at finishing as the #2 ranked team since we were almost dropped from the tournament for being to small.

I would like to thank those who joined WS in the finals so we could match SL at 7 vs 7. Due to the hectics of the moment I forget who you were but thank you. Since we had not practiced together previously we lost our team cohesion and suffered many team kills, but otherwise did very well considering the quality of players we faced.

{{Ladle}}

Ladle Winners

2006-09-03T22:38:35Z

Ghableska:

{{Ladle}}

The winners of The Third Tronic Ladle on the 3rd September were [[Anarchic Wanderers]]!

The winners of The Second Tronic Ladle played within two hours on 29th July 2006 were [[anarchic wanderers]]!

The winners of the First Tronic Ladle played on Sat 1st July were [[Shadow League]].

==Congratulations to the Winners of the Second Ladle ==

'''[[anarchic wanderers]] beat Wraith Squadron in straight matches (3-0) in the final.

'''They beat LOL! in straight matches (2-0) in the semifinal.

=== Full Result of the Second Ladle ===

==== Semi-finals ====

'''AW vs LOL at Z-man's tournament server (2-0)'''

AW were Vanhayes (Team Captain), Hay-lin, 2020, rain and Meriton.

* I think we had the advantage over them with respect to ping, with only Vanhayes on our team over 100. This was probably the largest factor. [[User:2020|2020]]

LOL were TitnAss, G5...

'''WS vs SP at US Fortress (2-1)'''

WS were Blaze, Kamakazi, Me, Manta (Team Captain)

SP were Joda.bot (Team Captain), Oblivion, Battal and Lackadaisical(sub)

==== Finals ====

'''AW vs WS at Z-man's tournament (3-0)'''

AW were Vanhayes (team captain), Hay-lin, 2020, rain, and Meriton.

WS were Ashitaka, BlAzE, Kamakazi, Me, Manta

* Again, we had the advantage with most of their team with exorbitant ping. However, they pulled back and brought the game to us in the third match. Meri was left 1v4 about four times in the last match, and he won three of them. [[User:2020|2020]]

* Around 2 hours before the ladle in the match USA against Germany for the ITW gArIsImO disappeared. He got connection problems and maybe something else that made him not able to play the ladle. I wanted to thanks him anyway ( our capitan :) ) that, Im sure, lived in our spirits in those moments. I agree with 2020 about pings, but I think that Manta or spidey never had real problems to kill rain in 10 seconds everywhere. So I think we was organized well. And we played as good as to get a victory without lose a single match from the start. I played in center position with 2020 on my left or on my right, we attacked. Vanhayes and Hay-Lin was sweeping and Meriton was our goalie (thanks to him, he saved us). We had a fast attack with 2020 getting the side fast and furious and me trying to pass the middle and fuck up the defense before it was buildt. Meantime the sweeping was excellent, most of times no cycle touched meri's tail. And finally, 2020 already wrote, meri made a great work. Victory or not, the battle against WS has been very nice, relaxed and friendly. That is what I liked more. Last, I wanted to congratulate with them because this is the 2nd time they showed in the final match of the ladle. And Im glad too because 3 members of the oops clan played the final match and not in the same team. :) I hope I'll play again for aw in the next ladle. [[User:rain|rain]]

== Congratulations to the Winners of the First Ladle! ==

'''Shadow League beat Wraith Squadron in straight matches (2-0) in the final.'''

'''They beat Anarchic Wanderers in a nail-biting climax after going down in the first match (2-1) in the semi-finals.'''
*It was a close game. A very close game. Garrisimo was playing like a man on fire, but this still didn't prevent Shadow League from taking our zone once too often. They came back from first match loss, and in the third match, they came from behind to reach a nail-biting 98-98... well done! I played like a noob, and the rest of my team carried me. Next time... Shadow League... next time.... [[User:2020|2020]] 2nd July 2006

* In the first match, zop (who was playing for AW) was doing his usual speed-grinding thing towards or right side and by sheer bad luck, in the confusion of everyone shuffling around, our second (Ossi) and third defender (meriton) were both starting on the left side, whereas our goalie (Sasha) started on the right (IIRC), but due to sealing the center lane ended up on the left as well. To make matters worse, the other players on the right side did not realize they had no defender on their side or simply could not handle zop's speed grind: They grinded until the last moment, only to be surrounded by the speed-grinding zop, who then directly proceeded to insert himself (and a few friends of his ;) in our zone. Until we finally realised what went wrong, the match was nearly over, with us very much behind. I then shuffled over to the right and - by virtue of splitting real early - managed to delay zop until sasha had had a chance to setup. From then on, the teams were very evenly matched, but with the lead AW had gained, the first match went to them. The second match saw some very close fighting among great players, I don't recall much except - for the first time I can recall - feeling dwarfed by the great skill surrounding me. Both teams fought well, and as the last round arrived, it became clear that whoever won this round would win the match (both teams were slightly above 90 points IIRC). Luckily for SL, they made it, avoiding to drop out of the tournament by a very narrow margin. The third and final match started with a few rounds going to AW, and again every outcome was possible. After fierce fighting on both sides, both team got more than 90 points at the beginning of the last round (IIRC, it was 96 : 94 for AW). After some minutes, it was 98:96 for AW, and AW began to hunt our weaker players. In doing so, they left their goalie (garisimo) alone, and I was able to slip through to him. I used a standard speed attack, and trying not to leave me any space while still hiding behind his wall, garisimo tripped over his tail, and I was able get inside and claim the zone. At about the same time, one of our attackers got one of his pursuers, so the final score was 110:98 for SL.

:On our side, I could chiefly assess the performance of our defense team, were Sasha was a class of his own. Surrounded by 3 players, among which zop and lacka, he managed to hold them off for minutes, never leaving a gap, reclaiming all reachable space, and frequently killing them with his wall's edges. I was also able to assess the performance of AW's attack, which was humbling in its skill and coordination. Especially zop, who was chiefly responsible for AW's victory in the first match and AW's near victory in the second match, but also lacka and the others who provided who got there slower, but were no less effective once they were close. Never on the grid have I seen such skill, determination, and cooperation, and I can say that it would have been no shame at all to have to have lost that game to AW. [[User:Meriton|Meriton]] 14:54, 2 July 2006 (CEST)

*Well, the first match was intense, I was playing sweeper and helping def untill there were only two enemys left,then I would attack (though the offense didnt really need me, heh). This was a pretty close match, it was (I think) 100 something to 80 something for AW. Unfortunetley this was the only match I got to play, after this one my connection went insane, I couldnt even play a full round without getting disconected. I did get to see the last half of the last round, of the last match where it was 98 AW, 96 SL with SL taking it in the end with a zone capture. Congrats! --[[User:Vanhayes|Vanhayes]] 21:20, 3 July 2006 (ATL)

*The first match things were really chaotic for SL. the first 3 matches we played with 6 people so things went a lot slower. i was only able to get a few kills the first 2 matches because id keep getting beat trying to sweep or id make a stupid mistake. the second match we were able to pick up the pace and calm down a little. i think that was a relief to all the players cuz that first loss came so fast and i definetly wasnt expecting it to end that quickly. and then the final match we just did the same thing. i was able to get much more kills the final round. but when i died and it was just two SL's left. i got scarreeeedd. but badzilla did his thing and broke the defense. i wasnt able to see our defense but im sure they were putting up a huge fight also during those last few seconds. overall just a really tought battle. and the last two matches we were able to cut it close with comebacks. sky

*The best matches were SL vs AW. The others were not so hard and so intense. I felt nervous all these 3 matches, so sometimes did stupid mistakes and comited suicide before the meeting with enemy (AW) attackers. However when I met them I did my best. My wife sat near me and squealed each time I lost round...It was fun. I want to give many thanks to Ossi and meri who helped me defend. Also I want to give thanks to the others of my team and to great AW team for such intresting and realy good matches. Sasha

'''They beat Lords of Destruction in straight matches (2-0) in the quarter finals.'''

*.:thankyou. we played our best and i think the others would agree, AW gave us all a '''very''' difficult and stressful match. although we were missing belenus infamous and maverik. meriton and road came on the spot. and badzilla played very well in the AW match. sasha played very nice defense and Ossi played good as sweeper. Mayday and Man2d came in the finals and also played very nicely. and then Choco sub'd in for sasha later that match. thankyou meriton, badzilla, ossi, may.day, man2d, road, sasha, choc, and nazgul for coming to the events. this also goes to show you that there are plenty of nonclan players who know their stuff. To the teams that we did not play: if you guys would like to play us to see how u fare. find me in the games and we'll try to work something out. and thanks 2020 and the others for organizing this tournament. it was a lot of fun:. sky

=== The Full Results of the First Ladle ===
Please write as much info as you know and any game comments you wish to add...

==== Quarter-finals ====
'''Anarchic Wanderers v Speeders at Z-man's Ladle (2-0)'''

The Anarchic Wanderers were Zop, Eggcozy, Nii, Garissimo, Hay-linn, Vanhayes, Lackadaisical and 2020.

The Speeders were Psyko, What-up, Speed, Xell, Blackfang, Joda.bot, Oblivion, and Kenny.

* Tough game, and I think we caught them cold. With the best of 3, there is not much room for mistakes. Zop I think played well, and somehow he and my team-mates managed to penetrate Psyko's defence. The midfield was amazing. The skill level high. As part of the defence, it was amazing playing with Eggcozy and Vanhayes... and with Garissimo at the back doing his contracting and expanding, we kept them back for ages giving our offence time to do their magic. I was surprised how fast it went. [[User:2020|2020]] 2nd July 2006

* I gotta say Defense was amazing with these Matches, you couldnt ask for better there. I didnt see much of the Offense since I was sweeping, but with Zop, Lackadaisical, and evryone I can guess how it went. Good matches --[[User:Vanhayes|Vanhayes]] 21:25, 3 July 2006 (ATL)

'''Wraith Squadron v LØL at Bugfarm Fortress (2-1)'''

* Round 1: LØL 84 - WS 106
* Round 2: LØL 100 - WS 22
* Round 3: LØL 78 - WS 100

Wraith Squadron were BlAzE, Kamakazi, Manta, Me, upacreek.
Guest stars: Spidey (Only reason Wraith Squadron won)

LØL were Wildcat, Chuck, JJBean, G5, Legit, and Durka came in at the 10th round of the 3rd match. Guest stars: Luck and Man2d.

The WS and LØL teams agreed to just have a fun and enjoy the game. 6 vs. 6 players.
Do to there only being 2 ladle servers online we were forced to default to the ever active Bugfarm fortress server. This caused quite a bit of confusion with visiting players joining the match. Kindly, most willingly left or stayed as spectators. As a note it would be nice to have more fortress servers available to chose from next tournament.

'''Lords of Destruction v Shadow League at LoD Lords of Destruction Clanserver (0-2)'''

The Lords of Destruction were...

The Shadow League were...

'''Crazy Tronners were not represented so they got into the next round...'''

==== Semi-finals ====

'''Anarchic Wanderers v Shadow League at Z-man's Ladle (1-2)'''

The Anarchic Wanderers were Zop, Vanhayes, Garissimo, Eggcozy, Haylin, Lackadaisical, 2020, and Durka.

The Shadow League were Road66, Sky, Ossi, Man2d, Meriton, Badzilla, Mayday, and Sasha.

*(see Congratulations above) We were missing several of our regulars... Ghableska, Madmax, Featherfcuk, TBL... but we did ok in the end with some phenomenal players wearing the [AW] tag. Amazing amount of skill. [[User:2020|2020]] 2nd July 2006

'''Wraith Squadron v Crazy Tronners at Bugfarm Fortress (CT do not turn up)'''

==== Finals ====

'''Wraith Squadrn v Shadow League at Z-man's Ladle (0-2)'''

* Round 1: 48 - 106... Round 2: 62 - 108

* The Shadow League were: Road66, Sky, Ossi, Man2d, Meriton, Badzilla, Mayday, Sasha and Choco who substituted for Sasha

* Wraith Squadron were: BlAzE, Kamakazi, Manta, Me, upacreek, rain

All members of WS would like to congratulate Shadow League on their well earned victory. Their members played an excellent game. WS must admit to being a bit surprised at finishing as the #2 ranked team since we were almost dropped from the tournament for being to small.

I would like to thank those who joined WS in the finals so we could match SL at 7 vs 7. Due to the hectics of the moment I forget who you were but thank you. Since we had not practiced together previously we lost our team cohesion and suffered many team kills, but otherwise did very well considering the quality of players we faced.

{{Ladle}}

Ladle Winners

2006-09-03T22:38:17Z

Ghableska:

{{Ladle}}

The The Third Tronic Ladle on the 3rd September were [[Anarchic Wanderers]]!

The winners of The Second Tronic Ladle played within two hours on 29th July 2006 were [[anarchic wanderers]]!

The winners of the First Tronic Ladle played on Sat 1st July were [[Shadow League]].

==Congratulations to the Winners of the Second Ladle ==

'''[[anarchic wanderers]] beat Wraith Squadron in straight matches (3-0) in the final.

'''They beat LOL! in straight matches (2-0) in the semifinal.

=== Full Result of the Second Ladle ===

==== Semi-finals ====

'''AW vs LOL at Z-man's tournament server (2-0)'''

AW were Vanhayes (Team Captain), Hay-lin, 2020, rain and Meriton.

* I think we had the advantage over them with respect to ping, with only Vanhayes on our team over 100. This was probably the largest factor. [[User:2020|2020]]

LOL were TitnAss, G5...

'''WS vs SP at US Fortress (2-1)'''

WS were Blaze, Kamakazi, Me, Manta (Team Captain)

SP were Joda.bot (Team Captain), Oblivion, Battal and Lackadaisical(sub)

==== Finals ====

'''AW vs WS at Z-man's tournament (3-0)'''

AW were Vanhayes (team captain), Hay-lin, 2020, rain, and Meriton.

WS were Ashitaka, BlAzE, Kamakazi, Me, Manta

* Again, we had the advantage with most of their team with exorbitant ping. However, they pulled back and brought the game to us in the third match. Meri was left 1v4 about four times in the last match, and he won three of them. [[User:2020|2020]]

* Around 2 hours before the ladle in the match USA against Germany for the ITW gArIsImO disappeared. He got connection problems and maybe something else that made him not able to play the ladle. I wanted to thanks him anyway ( our capitan :) ) that, Im sure, lived in our spirits in those moments. I agree with 2020 about pings, but I think that Manta or spidey never had real problems to kill rain in 10 seconds everywhere. So I think we was organized well. And we played as good as to get a victory without lose a single match from the start. I played in center position with 2020 on my left or on my right, we attacked. Vanhayes and Hay-Lin was sweeping and Meriton was our goalie (thanks to him, he saved us). We had a fast attack with 2020 getting the side fast and furious and me trying to pass the middle and fuck up the defense before it was buildt. Meantime the sweeping was excellent, most of times no cycle touched meri's tail. And finally, 2020 already wrote, meri made a great work. Victory or not, the battle against WS has been very nice, relaxed and friendly. That is what I liked more. Last, I wanted to congratulate with them because this is the 2nd time they showed in the final match of the ladle. And Im glad too because 3 members of the oops clan played the final match and not in the same team. :) I hope I'll play again for aw in the next ladle. [[User:rain|rain]]

== Congratulations to the Winners of the First Ladle! ==

'''Shadow League beat Wraith Squadron in straight matches (2-0) in the final.'''

'''They beat Anarchic Wanderers in a nail-biting climax after going down in the first match (2-1) in the semi-finals.'''
*It was a close game. A very close game. Garrisimo was playing like a man on fire, but this still didn't prevent Shadow League from taking our zone once too often. They came back from first match loss, and in the third match, they came from behind to reach a nail-biting 98-98... well done! I played like a noob, and the rest of my team carried me. Next time... Shadow League... next time.... [[User:2020|2020]] 2nd July 2006

* In the first match, zop (who was playing for AW) was doing his usual speed-grinding thing towards or right side and by sheer bad luck, in the confusion of everyone shuffling around, our second (Ossi) and third defender (meriton) were both starting on the left side, whereas our goalie (Sasha) started on the right (IIRC), but due to sealing the center lane ended up on the left as well. To make matters worse, the other players on the right side did not realize they had no defender on their side or simply could not handle zop's speed grind: They grinded until the last moment, only to be surrounded by the speed-grinding zop, who then directly proceeded to insert himself (and a few friends of his ;) in our zone. Until we finally realised what went wrong, the match was nearly over, with us very much behind. I then shuffled over to the right and - by virtue of splitting real early - managed to delay zop until sasha had had a chance to setup. From then on, the teams were very evenly matched, but with the lead AW had gained, the first match went to them. The second match saw some very close fighting among great players, I don't recall much except - for the first time I can recall - feeling dwarfed by the great skill surrounding me. Both teams fought well, and as the last round arrived, it became clear that whoever won this round would win the match (both teams were slightly above 90 points IIRC). Luckily for SL, they made it, avoiding to drop out of the tournament by a very narrow margin. The third and final match started with a few rounds going to AW, and again every outcome was possible. After fierce fighting on both sides, both team got more than 90 points at the beginning of the last round (IIRC, it was 96 : 94 for AW). After some minutes, it was 98:96 for AW, and AW began to hunt our weaker players. In doing so, they left their goalie (garisimo) alone, and I was able to slip through to him. I used a standard speed attack, and trying not to leave me any space while still hiding behind his wall, garisimo tripped over his tail, and I was able get inside and claim the zone. At about the same time, one of our attackers got one of his pursuers, so the final score was 110:98 for SL.

:On our side, I could chiefly assess the performance of our defense team, were Sasha was a class of his own. Surrounded by 3 players, among which zop and lacka, he managed to hold them off for minutes, never leaving a gap, reclaiming all reachable space, and frequently killing them with his wall's edges. I was also able to assess the performance of AW's attack, which was humbling in its skill and coordination. Especially zop, who was chiefly responsible for AW's victory in the first match and AW's near victory in the second match, but also lacka and the others who provided who got there slower, but were no less effective once they were close. Never on the grid have I seen such skill, determination, and cooperation, and I can say that it would have been no shame at all to have to have lost that game to AW. [[User:Meriton|Meriton]] 14:54, 2 July 2006 (CEST)

*Well, the first match was intense, I was playing sweeper and helping def untill there were only two enemys left,then I would attack (though the offense didnt really need me, heh). This was a pretty close match, it was (I think) 100 something to 80 something for AW. Unfortunetley this was the only match I got to play, after this one my connection went insane, I couldnt even play a full round without getting disconected. I did get to see the last half of the last round, of the last match where it was 98 AW, 96 SL with SL taking it in the end with a zone capture. Congrats! --[[User:Vanhayes|Vanhayes]] 21:20, 3 July 2006 (ATL)

*The first match things were really chaotic for SL. the first 3 matches we played with 6 people so things went a lot slower. i was only able to get a few kills the first 2 matches because id keep getting beat trying to sweep or id make a stupid mistake. the second match we were able to pick up the pace and calm down a little. i think that was a relief to all the players cuz that first loss came so fast and i definetly wasnt expecting it to end that quickly. and then the final match we just did the same thing. i was able to get much more kills the final round. but when i died and it was just two SL's left. i got scarreeeedd. but badzilla did his thing and broke the defense. i wasnt able to see our defense but im sure they were putting up a huge fight also during those last few seconds. overall just a really tought battle. and the last two matches we were able to cut it close with comebacks. sky

*The best matches were SL vs AW. The others were not so hard and so intense. I felt nervous all these 3 matches, so sometimes did stupid mistakes and comited suicide before the meeting with enemy (AW) attackers. However when I met them I did my best. My wife sat near me and squealed each time I lost round...It was fun. I want to give many thanks to Ossi and meri who helped me defend. Also I want to give thanks to the others of my team and to great AW team for such intresting and realy good matches. Sasha

'''They beat Lords of Destruction in straight matches (2-0) in the quarter finals.'''

*.:thankyou. we played our best and i think the others would agree, AW gave us all a '''very''' difficult and stressful match. although we were missing belenus infamous and maverik. meriton and road came on the spot. and badzilla played very well in the AW match. sasha played very nice defense and Ossi played good as sweeper. Mayday and Man2d came in the finals and also played very nicely. and then Choco sub'd in for sasha later that match. thankyou meriton, badzilla, ossi, may.day, man2d, road, sasha, choc, and nazgul for coming to the events. this also goes to show you that there are plenty of nonclan players who know their stuff. To the teams that we did not play: if you guys would like to play us to see how u fare. find me in the games and we'll try to work something out. and thanks 2020 and the others for organizing this tournament. it was a lot of fun:. sky

=== The Full Results of the First Ladle ===
Please write as much info as you know and any game comments you wish to add...

==== Quarter-finals ====
'''Anarchic Wanderers v Speeders at Z-man's Ladle (2-0)'''

The Anarchic Wanderers were Zop, Eggcozy, Nii, Garissimo, Hay-linn, Vanhayes, Lackadaisical and 2020.

The Speeders were Psyko, What-up, Speed, Xell, Blackfang, Joda.bot, Oblivion, and Kenny.

* Tough game, and I think we caught them cold. With the best of 3, there is not much room for mistakes. Zop I think played well, and somehow he and my team-mates managed to penetrate Psyko's defence. The midfield was amazing. The skill level high. As part of the defence, it was amazing playing with Eggcozy and Vanhayes... and with Garissimo at the back doing his contracting and expanding, we kept them back for ages giving our offence time to do their magic. I was surprised how fast it went. [[User:2020|2020]] 2nd July 2006

* I gotta say Defense was amazing with these Matches, you couldnt ask for better there. I didnt see much of the Offense since I was sweeping, but with Zop, Lackadaisical, and evryone I can guess how it went. Good matches --[[User:Vanhayes|Vanhayes]] 21:25, 3 July 2006 (ATL)

'''Wraith Squadron v LØL at Bugfarm Fortress (2-1)'''

* Round 1: LØL 84 - WS 106
* Round 2: LØL 100 - WS 22
* Round 3: LØL 78 - WS 100

Wraith Squadron were BlAzE, Kamakazi, Manta, Me, upacreek.
Guest stars: Spidey (Only reason Wraith Squadron won)

LØL were Wildcat, Chuck, JJBean, G5, Legit, and Durka came in at the 10th round of the 3rd match. Guest stars: Luck and Man2d.

The WS and LØL teams agreed to just have a fun and enjoy the game. 6 vs. 6 players.
Do to there only being 2 ladle servers online we were forced to default to the ever active Bugfarm fortress server. This caused quite a bit of confusion with visiting players joining the match. Kindly, most willingly left or stayed as spectators. As a note it would be nice to have more fortress servers available to chose from next tournament.

'''Lords of Destruction v Shadow League at LoD Lords of Destruction Clanserver (0-2)'''

The Lords of Destruction were...

The Shadow League were...

'''Crazy Tronners were not represented so they got into the next round...'''

==== Semi-finals ====

'''Anarchic Wanderers v Shadow League at Z-man's Ladle (1-2)'''

The Anarchic Wanderers were Zop, Vanhayes, Garissimo, Eggcozy, Haylin, Lackadaisical, 2020, and Durka.

The Shadow League were Road66, Sky, Ossi, Man2d, Meriton, Badzilla, Mayday, and Sasha.

*(see Congratulations above) We were missing several of our regulars... Ghableska, Madmax, Featherfcuk, TBL... but we did ok in the end with some phenomenal players wearing the [AW] tag. Amazing amount of skill. [[User:2020|2020]] 2nd July 2006

'''Wraith Squadron v Crazy Tronners at Bugfarm Fortress (CT do not turn up)'''

==== Finals ====

'''Wraith Squadrn v Shadow League at Z-man's Ladle (0-2)'''

* Round 1: 48 - 106... Round 2: 62 - 108

* The Shadow League were: Road66, Sky, Ossi, Man2d, Meriton, Badzilla, Mayday, Sasha and Choco who substituted for Sasha

* Wraith Squadron were: BlAzE, Kamakazi, Manta, Me, upacreek, rain

All members of WS would like to congratulate Shadow League on their well earned victory. Their members played an excellent game. WS must admit to being a bit surprised at finishing as the #2 ranked team since we were almost dropped from the tournament for being to small.

I would like to thank those who joined WS in the finals so we could match SL at 7 vs 7. Due to the hectics of the moment I forget who you were but thank you. Since we had not practiced together previously we lost our team cohesion and suffered many team kills, but otherwise did very well considering the quality of players we faced.

{{Ladle}}

User:Ghableska

2006-09-02T16:32:50Z

Ghableska:

Bah.

LADLE team-lists

2006-08-18T23:57:18Z

Ghableska: /* anarchic wanderers */

{{Ladle}}
Stick your name down on a list, or start your own team. Based on player feedback, we are going to try to organise the timing a little better so that the day (Sun 3rd September) runs smoothly...

Please indicate a captain. Check out the [[Challenge Room]] for the way the play-offs are organised.

== [[anarchic wanderers]] ==
* 2020
* '''~ }{Alex}{ ~''' {~ may be away, will let u know if i can make it. msn me ~ tcs_ownz_you@hotmail.co.uk ~}
* ghableska- if I can actually make it this time... :)

== [http://teamlol.rocks.it ¡LØL!] ==
* G5 (I hope I can make it)

== [[old team lists]] ==
Where you can find the team lists for the First and Second Ladle Games.-->

International Tron World Cup

2006-07-08T21:38:58Z

Ghableska: /* International Tron Worldcup */

== International Tron World Cup ==

All fortress players can participate in this tournament. Just post your name under the name of your country. Please write your name without clan tags.

This is organized in countries, if your country isn't here down, edit this page and add it, it will be nice if you respect the alphabetic order.

After all interested players register we will update this page with all the instructions of the tournament. Meanwhile here are some details:

The main plan is that it will be a fortress tournament, played in play-offs mode, when teams are ready, there will be a picture showing the brackets of the road to Tron World Cup. And if it is possible we will try to respect football world cup brackets :D

In case of some countries goes short, there will be a alliances, the way they will be is trying to join to another geo-near (example: spain+portugal->iberia, austria+switc->alps, nordics, ...) or just fusion with other short team (we will try to respect issues like belgium and netherland one :P).

A short team will be one with less than 5 players, this will be the minimum numbers of players to play a match.

'''Start date ->> 24 July 2006'''

== Teams ==
=== Austria ===
*1394-freak

===[[Image:Canada.jpg]][[Canada]][[Image:Canada.jpg]]===
*Vanhayes
*wrtlprnft
*JJBean

=== Germany ===
*Blader
*joda.bot
*[[User:Pta|PTA]]
*Z-Man
*~*Mephisto*~
*$ubzero
*Luzifer (LukeSky)
*sunnygirl
*Slayer

=== Italy ===
*the godfather (italy sicily player)

=== Mexico ===
*Tidus

=== Netherlands ===
*k3nny
*Lackadaisical

=== Poland ===
* newbie

=== Portugal ===
*[[User:Cusco|cusco]]
*madmax
*(Cho)

=== Russia [[Image:Russ.jpg]]===
*Ossi
*Sasha
*badzilla
*doc
*man2d

===[[Image:Spain.jpg]] Spain ===
*Ady-Lucifer (From Cantabria, aka Hell)
*ORiON
*[[User:ChiCho|ChiCho]] (From Motril, Andalucia)
*[[User:Xevic|Xevi]] (From Barcelona, Catalunya [[Image:CAT.gif]])
*AuRoN
*[[User:ArcBeetle|ArcBeetle]] (From Cordoba, Andalucia)
Flag by Ady

=== Switzerland ===
*Drashia

=== United Kingdom ===
*ed (From Wales)
*[[User:X3r|X3R]]
*)(Alex)( (from my house :D [yorkshire])
*Infamous
*[[User:Syllabear|Syllabear]] (From N.Ireland)
*[[User:Dez|Dez]] (From England)
*Sp33D
*Sleepy

=== [[Image:usflag01.gif]]United States of America [[Image:usflag01.gif]]===
<div style="color:#339900;">
*gArIsImO
*Wildcat
*Goodygumdrops
*Chuck
*[[User:Durka|Dµrkå]]
*Manta
*PsYkO WEWT
*Pandemonium
*Legit
*eclipse












</div>

International Tron World Cup

2006-07-08T21:30:29Z

Ghableska:

== International Tron Worldcup ==

All fortress players can participate in this tournament. Just post your name under the name of your country. Please write your name without clan tags.

This is organized in countries, if your country isn't here down, edit this page and add it, it will be nice if you respect the alphabetic order.

After all interested players register we will update this page with all the instructions of the tournament. Meanwhile here are some details:

The main plan is that it will be a fortress tournament, played in play-offs mode, when teams are ready, there will be a picture showing the brackets of the road to Tron World Cup. And if it is possible we will try to respect football world cup brackets :D

In case of some countries goes short, there will be a alliances, the way they will be is trying to join to another geo-near (example: spain+portugal->iberia, austria+switc->alps, nordics, ...) or just fusion with other short team (we will try to respect issues like belgium and netherland one :P).

A short team will be one with less than 5 players, this will be the minimum numbers of players to play a match.

'''Start date ->> 24 July 2006'''

== Teams ==
=== Austria ===
*1394-freak

===[[Image:Canada.jpg]][[Canada]][[Image:Canada.jpg]]===
*Vanhayes
*wrtlprnft
*JJBean

=== Germany ===
*Blader
*joda.bot
*[[User:Pta|PTA]]
*Z-Man
*~*Mephisto*~
*$ubzero
*Luzifer (LukeSky)
*sunnygirl
*Slayer

=== Italy ===
*the godfather (italy sicily player)

=== Mexico ===
*Tidus

=== Netherlands ===
*k3nny
*Lackadaisical

=== Poland ===
* newbie

=== Portugal ===
*[[User:Cusco|cusco]]
*madmax
*(Cho)

=== Russia [[Image:Russ.jpg]]===
*Ossi
*Sasha
*badzilla
*doc
*man2d

===[[Image:Spain.jpg]] Spain ===
*Ady-Lucifer (From Cantabria, aka Hell)
*ORiON
*[[User:ChiCho|ChiCho]] (From Motril, Andalucia)
*[[User:Xevic|Xevi]] (From Barcelona, Catalunya [[Image:CAT.gif]])
*AuRoN
*[[User:ArcBeetle|ArcBeetle]] (From Cordoba, Andalucia)
Flag by Ady

=== Switzerland ===
*Drashia

=== United Kingdom ===
*ed (From Wales)
*[[User:X3r|X3R]]
*)(Alex)( (from my house :D [yorkshire])
*Infamous
*[[User:Syllabear|Syllabear]] (From N.Ireland)
*[[User:Dez|Dez]] (From England)
*Sp33D
*Sleepy

'''Add where you are from'''

=== [[Image:usflag01.gif]]United States of America [[Image:usflag01.gif]]===
<div style="color:#339900;">
*gArIsImO
*Wildcat
*Goodygumdrops
*Chuck
*[[User:Durka|Dµrkå]]
*Manta
*PsYkO WEWT
*Pandemonium
*Legit
*eclipse














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International Tron World Cup

2006-07-08T17:24:12Z

Ghableska: /* International Tron Worldcup */

== International Tron Worldcup ==

All fortress players can participate in this tournament. Just post your name under the name of your country. Please write your name without clan tags.

This is organized in countries, if your country isn't here down, edit this page and add it, it will be nice if you respect the alphabetic order.

After all interested players register we will update this page with all the instructions of the tournament. Meanwhile here are some details:

The main plan is that it will be a fortress tournament, played in play-offs mode, when teams are ready, there will be a picture showing the brackets of the road to Tron World Cup. And if it is possible we will try to respect football world cup brackets :D

In case of some countries goes short, there will be a alliances, the way they will be is trying to join to another geo-near (example: spain+portugal->iberia, austria+switc->alps, nordics, ...) or just fusion with other short team (we will try to respect issues like belgium and netherland one :P).

A short team will be one with less than 5 players, this will be the minimum numbers of players to play a match.

'''Start date not fixed yet, waiting for all teams to be formed.'''
Teams that are ready- 4/12 - 33%

== Teams ==
=== Austria ===
*1394-freak

===[[Image:Canada.jpg]]Canada [[Image:Canada.jpg]]===
*Vanhayes
*wrtlprnft
*JJBean

=== Germany ===
*Blader
*joda.bot
*[[User:Pta|PTA]]
*Z-Man
*~*Mephisto*~
*$ubzero
*Luzifer (LukeSky)
*sunnygirl
*Slayer

=== Italy ===
the godfather (italy sicily player)

=== Mexico ===
*Tidus

=== Netherlands ===
*k3nny
*Lackadaisical

=== Poland ===
* newbie

=== Portugal ===
*[[User:Cusco|cusco]]
*madmax
*(Cho)

=== Russia [[Image:Russ.jpg]]===
*Ossi
*Sasha
*badzilla
*doc
*man2d

===[[Image:Spain.jpg]] Spain ===
*Ady-Lucifer (From Cantabria, aka Hell)
*ORiON
*[[User:ChiCho|ChiCho]] (From Motril, Andalucia)
*[[User:Xevic|Xevi]] (From Barcelona, Catalunya [[Image:CAT.gif]])
*AuRoN
*[[User:ArcBeetle|ArcBeetle]] (From Cordoba, Andalucia)

=== Switzerland ===
*Drashia

=== United Kingdom ===
*ed (From Wales)
*[[User:X3r|X3R]]
*)(Alex)( (from my house :D [yorkshire])
*Infamous
*[[User:Syllabear|Syllabear]] (From N.Ireland)
*[[User:Dez|Dez]] (From England)
*Sp33D
*Sleepy

'''Add where you are from'''

=== [[Image:usflag01.gif]]United States of America [[Image:usflag01.gif]]===
<div style="color:#0f0">
*gArIsImO
*Wildcat
*Goodygumdrops
*Chuck
*[[User:Durka|Dµrkå]]
*Manta
*PsYkO WEWT
*Pandemonium
*Legit
*eclipse 








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International Tron World Cup

2006-07-08T17:19:24Z

Ghableska: /* International Tron Worldcup */

== International Tron Worldcup ==

In this tournament can participe all fortress players. Just post your name down here under the name of your country(Just the name, without your clan's tag.).

This is organized in countries, if your country isn't here down, edit this page and add it, it will be nice if you respect the alphabetic order.

After all interested players register we will update this page with all the instructions of the tournament. Meanwhile here are some clues:

The main plan is that it will be a fortress tournament, played in play-offs mode, when teams are ready, there will be a picture showing the branckets of the road to Tron World Cup. And if it is possible we will try to respect football world cup branckets :D

In case of some countries goes short, there will be a alliances, the way they will be is trying to join to another geo-near (example: spain+portugal->iberia, austria+switc->alps, nordics, ...) or just fusion with other short team (we will try to respect issues like belgium and netherland one :P).

A short team will be one with less than 5 players, this will be the minimum numbers of players to play a match.

'''Start date not fixed yet, waiting for all teams to be formed.'''
Teams that are ready- 4/12 - 33%

== Teams ==
=== Austria ===
*1394-freak

===[[Image:Canada.jpg]]Canada [[Image:Canada.jpg]]===
*Vanhayes
*wrtlprnft
*JJBean

=== Germany ===
*Blader
*joda.bot
*[[User:Pta|PTA]]
*Z-Man
*~*Mephisto*~
*$ubzero
*Luzifer (LukeSky)
*sunnygirl
*Slayer

=== Italy ===
the godfather (italy sicily player)

=== Mexico ===
*Tidus

=== Netherlands ===
*k3nny
*Lackadaisical

=== Poland ===
* newbie

=== Portugal ===
*[[User:Cusco|cusco]]
*madmax
*(Cho)

=== Russia [[Image:Russ.jpg]]===
*Ossi
*Sasha
*badzilla
*doc
*man2d

===[[Image:Spain.jpg]] Spain ===
*Ady-Lucifer (From Cantabria, aka Hell)
*ORiON
*[[User:ChiCho|ChiCho]] (From Motril, Andalucia)
*[[User:Xevic|Xevi]] (From Barcelona, Catalunya [[Image:CAT.gif]])
*AuRoN
*[[User:ArcBeetle|ArcBeetle]] (From Cordoba, Andalucia)

=== Switzerland ===
*Drashia

=== United Kingdom ===
*ed (From Wales)
*[[User:X3r|X3R]]
*)(Alex)( (from my house :D [yorkshire])
*Infamous
*[[User:Syllabear|Syllabear]] (From N.Ireland)
*[[User:Dez|Dez]] (From England)
*Sp33D
*Sleepy

'''Add where you are from'''

=== [[Image:usflag01.gif]]United States of America [[Image:usflag01.gif]]===
<div style="color:#0f0">
*gArIsImO
*Wildcat
*Goodygumdrops
*Chuck
*[[User:Durka|Dµrkå]]
*Manta
*PsYkO WEWT
*Pandemonium
*Legit
*eclipse 








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LADLE team-lists

2006-06-27T18:56:49Z

Ghableska: /* Anarchic wanderers */

{{Ladle Team Legend}}
{{Ladle}}
Stick your name down on a list, or start your own team. There are a maximum of 16 teams allowed for [[THE LADLE]]. Indicate a captain. Don't just put your name in the pool list. It would be better if you would just create a team as we are trying to get up to 16 teams.

'''2 weeks to go! Please elect a team captain and check out the [[Challenge Room]]'''

== [[Anarchic wanderers]] ==
* 2020
* madmax
* Durka
** T to the BL
*Legit
* featherfcuk
* gArIsImOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO
can we get lacks to join us as well as maz, cycle and pavel? please

== [[~*SpeederS*~]] ==
* omega
* Joda
* demon
* slash
* Oblivion
* PsYkOCIRCLE!
* cyclotron
* error
* kenny
* speed
* freak
* leeroy
* xell
* sonar

== -=Lords Of Destruction=- ==

* Ady-Lucifer
* Mephisto
* Dez
* $ubzero
* Hay-Lin

== [[Shadow League (fe)]] ==
* sKy-not a problem gusbo ;). check the forums cuz we're updating a lotta stuff including the home site
* Radian
* Ryu
* Ossi
* Nazgul
* Monk
* Gusbo T. Jam esq (if that's ok with you guys....:))
*BADZILLA
*(Cho)

== [[Wraith Squadron]] ==
Special forces who are not only unrivaled in a star fighter cockpit but unmatched with a vibrio blade in hand to hand combat.
Unfortunately our slicer met an untimely demise and now we have been forced to digitized ourselves and enter our flight computers to core dump these wayward programs.

* BlAzE
* Manta
* me
* treeripe

== [http://tron.plantpeanuts.co.uk/portal.php CrazyTronners] ==
We finally sign up, let's take fun dudes. Our players list is subjected to changes, cause we are live clan. [[CrazyTronners]]
* Xevi
* 1394-freak
* 4400
* cid
* ed
* i play rs
* kilabit
* King
* Kyle
* loops
* man2d
* PTA
* Robed
* root
* Shadow
* syllabear
* Voodoo
* Warzelan
* Also our padawans

== [http://teamlol.8k.com ¡LØL!] ==
We are getting more players everyday so the list will continue to increase. If you would like to play with us, register [http://www.setbb.com/claneverybodyel/profile.php?mode=register&mforum=claneverybodyel HERE] and I'll put your name on the list.
[[¡LØL! Clan|Wiki Page]]
*Dµ®Kå (also on AW)
*WiLdCaT
*Legit
*JJBean
*PyRoTeK
*G5
*Chuck
*2b|!2b?
*SATAN
*Johneyy
*RyRy
*Scieffe
*Goodygumdrops - not sure what I'm doing yet, but will try to show up
*QED
*Amafuckdisbitch
*Trace
*Cobra
*IceStage
*Sha9y

== [[the pool]] ==
For unaffiliated players who would like to play on the day...
* Lackadaisical
* Vanhayes-might be busy, but I will show up on the day if I can and play if I am needed.
* Phresh/Pandemonium
* Pez
* I guess we could take Lack - PsYkO
give him and the other pool players to a team that doesnt have about 15 people -_-.

One-day ladle

2006-06-06T22:36:39Z

Ghableska: /* Fortress Settings */

100 players getting together on Sat 1st July and playing just for the fun of it, in teams, on Fortress-servers. How it all goes ahead is determined by players contributing ideas here, and there are different ways of arranged these thoughts; what follows is one way. Feel free to add to the list under any category and please remember that all editions are constructive: [[contributor's guidelines]].

== Player Summary ==
Organise ourselves into [[LADLE team-lists|teams]], elect a captain, gather together on the Sat 1st July before 9pm GMT, play, play, and play again....

== Preparations ==
At this stage ([[tronic|TRONICv1.3]]), it is possible to begin to design how the event may be run. Due consideration to ensure solutions can be extendable to satisfy the ideal objectives for [[THE CUP]]. [[THE LADLE]] is played two months after [[THE SPOON]], and is a trial for what is to come in [[THE BOWL]], three months ahead. Preparation before this day is very much happening now, in this wiki, on the forums, and in chatrooms, as well as on the grid.

=== Team Registration ===
Players first have to organise themselves into teams. Perhaps players have the chance of playing on different teams... and as the day of the CUP draws near, they have to make decisions on which teams they play. This is the first real test for the registration of teams. When it comes down to it, the teams need to be registered so that on the day, team-pairing is easy and records of wins and losses are easily tabulated. Check out [[LADLE team-lists]].

=== Fortress Settings ===
All servers must run standardised fortress settings, probably as they are on Bugfarm Fortress server.. Although different servers and clients may translate them, this should as much as possible be standardised. Any variation between servers can be a matter of more popular, recommended servers. The most significant factor to determine is the win-zone, and there is plenty of discussion already about this topic in the forums. Check out [[fortress winzone discussion]].

=== Reaching Up to 128 Players ===
Something like a marketing strategy. Is it through word of mouth... through advertising.. can players encourage others to join by posting invitations in other game forums. At the root of it all, however, is the game itself. It is essential that the first experience a player has of the game is a pleasurable one, and hence some thought must be paid to how new players are treated. If the growth is exponential (as things seem to be on the net), then at some stage it may be possible to have noob-only servers.

== The Day ==
128 players, 16 teams, playing on up to 8 servers.

=== Feasible Round- Period Timing ===
How is each round run? Can we play 8 games simultaneously? To play the entire competition in 3 hours, we can use a round of 3/4 hour. This gives fifteen minutes for captains to get to the chatroom, challenge opponent captains, return to team, collect teams at the appointed server, and then half-hour to play best of three.
;9pm GMT
:first round, 16 teams playing on 8 servers simultaneously
;9.45pm GMT
:quarter-finals, 8 teams playing on 4 servers simultaneously
;10.30pm GMT
:semi-finals, 4 teams on 2 servers
;11.15pm GMT
:finals, 2 teams play the best of 5

=== Team Captain Challenge Room ===
Team-captains all meet at a specified chat room. They challenge one another to a competition, agree on a server, and then leave to conduct their game.

Now, this might not be easy, with a lot of captains delaying their challenging, so it would be nice if we had a bit of software which was set to a timer. If a team is left at the end of the 5 mins or whatever and they have not accepted a challenge, they lose by default. This will ensure that captains get their thumb out and challenge...

=== Server Allocation ===
Stuff to do with PING so that players have reasonable, acceptable PING. If there are enough players and hence servers, players will tend to play others nearby so that PING is roughly equivalent. Towards the end of the competition, neutral, recommended servers, are used to home the finals. Check out [[LADLE fortress-servers]].

Teams congregate, kick off anyone who is not in the competition, and then play their game. They must do this within half an hour since the next rounds will start without them otherwise. There are two ways of ensuring no mid-game entries: locking the server, or providing a pass word thingy which is only divulged to teamcaptains on the day, or presenting a full team of 8, which is by far the easiest. If a team does not have the numbers, they can take players from [[the pool]] who do not have set teams to play in.

Winning team-captains return to the challenge room for the next round. Losing team-captains can go to another challenge room to challenge other losing teams just for the sake of it.

=== Spectators ===
It might be nice to have a facility for the final to be mirrored off other servers so that everyone can witness the final, cheer etc... Just adds to the fun and makes the final more exciting since all the players will know they are being watched by players they put out the competition....heheheh

LADLE team-lists

2006-06-06T22:34:46Z

Ghableska: /* anarchic wanderers */

Stick your name down on a list, or start your own team. There are a maximum of 16 teams allowed for [[THE LADLE]]. Indicate a captain.

== [[anarchic wanderers]] ==
* 2020
* madmax
* ghableska

== [[~*SpeederS*~]] ==
* omega
* Joda
* demon
* slash
* Oblivion
* haylin
* PsYkOCIRCLE!
* cyclotron
* error
* smz
* kenny
* speed
* freak
* leeroy
* xell
* sonar

== [[Team wOOt!]] ==

any and all welcome just stick your name down here!

* Pez

== [[Hg MeRKuRiuM]] ==

* Ady-Lucifer
* Mephisto
* Dez
* The Core
* Rain
* $ubzero
* Anton84
* Kitty
* Mr. Bougo
* Chrome

== [[the pool]] ==
For players who would like to play on the day.

* Lackadaisical

Talk:Anarchic wanderers

2006-04-24T01:39:34Z

Ghableska:

;Use [http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc This] to convert Timzones.

== RollCall ==
We are playing [fe] monday april 24(11pm, 23:00 GMT)show up early please, if u can make it monday please put name down here: featherfcuk (after 16:00 GMT) ghableska (after 20:30 GMT) Vanhayes PsYkO 2020

== Talk Page ==

;~~''NOTICE''~~
;PLAY OFFS STARTED,upcoming matches is us vs [fe].

;from ghableska
:Maybe we could have a practice on one of the other fortress servers before the match? Sort out positions and that kind of stuff....

;from 2020
:Where are the details as to who plays who? Why are we playing FE? And remember they beat us in the first game... so... we have to be on our toes... we have to know who is in what position... where has all that information gone btw?

;madmax
:BTW, i'm alive and well. lol
But this has been a rough week, and no time to play tron... Guess "i'll be back" saturday.

;featherfcuk
:Sorry dude. My bad.. I was having my period so I guess I was kinda overreacting because of the hormones and the killing of the whales and Jesus and all. Sorry :Þ

;Van
:feather u are looking at th AW page, not the team page which shows who is on the spoon team.
as for practices once we get some matches planned there will probly be more activity.(hopefully)
BTW my ping has been really shitty lately so I get fed up with tron easily lately<--my excuse for not showing up.

;featherfcuk
:I think we might have to take a roll call on who will have time playing in the playoffs. I haven't seen a few of us around the past days, nobody has shown up for the last 2 practices and there's not much traffic on the talk page. Are the teammembers losing interest or is this just because there hasn't been much going on lately, Spoon-wise? We have to pull the team back together before we start in the playoffs, we need to practice and get organized. There are a few e-mails missing so I can send the strategies to everyone.

:I think we're a few players short. In the original team roster there are 10 players registered, MaZuffer and Lackadaisical are on it, but they are both now in team Something Something. TBL has, according to Vanhayes, quit Tron and Wrtlprnft is in MBC. That leaves 6 players left. 6 players!! Oblivion had joined the team, but I haven't seen him around and I don't know about anyone else to join us, unless Zop would be interested.

:We were one of the strongest teams in the competition, now we've almost been reduced to rubble. I don't care about losing the competition, but damnit, I want to play as many games as possible. The 2 seed games I was able to participate in were the best games I've ever played in this great game. I just want to experience a few more of these organized games before I'll become an irregular player.

;featherfcuk
:This came when I clicked the link:

:Bad title
:From Armagetron Advanced Wiki

:The requested page title was invalid, empty, or an incorrectly linked inter-language or inter-wiki title.

:Oh, and great turnout at the practice. Me and Armagetron ran through some pretty important moves. He also told me a funny story about a hippie, the Buddha and a large overcoat during the McArthy era, but it was one of those "you had to be there" things.

;Van
:The knock out rounds have begun, see who we can play here [[Playoffs (The Spoon)|Playoffs]]

;FF
:Ok.. too bad though, he was a fun guy. Oh, about that strategy thing, I've got a .jpg that I'd really like to put up here, but there's no way to upload a picture now, always an error. Nobody seems to worry about it so I was wondering if we could post pictures somewhere else? We have to have some strategies if we're going to survive in the finals!

;van
:TBL said he was going to quit tron, so I'm pretty sure he did.

;Van
:Ya psyko is in charge of e-mails I think, though maybe not. Psyko?

;ghableksa
Just wondering whether someone could send out emails regarding practices, matches, etc...

; garis
:i just posted the time up above for hayes

;featherfcuk
:What is the time for the CT match?

;Oblivion
Hey is it ok if i join your team i think i have enough skill ;) I can try out if you want me to i just got 2.8.1 :) I wanna go kick some ass with the wanderers! I may not be able to make the practice times but ill practice multiple hours every day! I swear!

;Oblivion
I seriously think we should get everybody together on thursday and practice the fork, if we need points really bad i think it would be good to surprise the enemy be using that move!It could come of good use! The move has a lot of potential!

;featherfcuk
:Damn that Pimp.. almost ruined the thing. Luckily it was great and we sure kicked some Metal Based Carbon's arse! Anyway... I can't upload images, there seems to be a problem with the wiki, I just get a syntax error or something. Also, does anyone know if we can get a better index, like the one The Knights of Ni have? Or maybe there's a better way to navigate this page? I just always go to recent changes and look.

;Van
:Sorry about leaving at start, got banned for 345 or so minutes because I was polling,God I hate Pimp, hope u guys kicked ass and if not good try.( but probly Kicked ass)

;John Henderson
:Thank you. It sure is an honour to be here. I was talking about this team to my wife, while shaving my head and sucking on her toenail clippings, and she thinks we will be the first Tron champions in history. I think it's a pretty safe bet.

;Van
:hmm John henderson eh? well wellcome to AW.

;PsYkO
: Hey guys, since me and Hayez0rz are admins...can you all please post your e-mail accounts and I will send mass emails for practices, matches, etc.

Van's is lamb--chop@hotmail.com /
2020@davidpinto.org /
feather - eirikurj@gmail.com /
madmax.ptz@gmail.com
ghab - ghableska@gmail.com/
garisimo@aol.com/

;SOMEONE PLEASE GET THE OTHER'S EMAILS FOR ME THANKS

; gArIsImO
May I suggest #1 to post newer messages above this one? and keep a chronological order to this??? think of looking at your emails in outlook...
What an impressive match that was with team SS...although I thought we could have definitely have had them if Hayes didn't die 5 times and Psyk didn't dissapear all of a sudden! we had them! As far as Strategies...let me know where I can post the (garisimo defensive and offensive strategies....) thanks yall those were some exciting matches again!

;featherfcuk
:I posted a strategy form.. this is just to show you how we can display strategies. 2020: if you want I can make the fork strategy for you.......... YES PLEASE heheheh

;PsYkO
Can someone putting in the GMT times put in the EST times as well? and central times if you live there? Would help a lot..BTW sorry I missed the practice today the wiki page wouldn't load and I just decided to play AoE3 lol

;From PsYkO
:COME ON GUYS!! we are only getting like 3-5 people in each of our practices =/ WE need to become more of a team..
:Please everyone put these messages into your instant chats
:MAKE A HOLE FOR ME!
:I'M MAKING A HOLE!
:If it is 3v1 which a lot of times it will be..if we make a good hole it is like 99% chance that we will win..Especially that there are some VERY good defenses that we will be playing
:Maz, lacka, and nemo are very difficult to get into but it cane be done
:However, radian on fe overlaps his wall for the first couple of minutes making it impossible to get in...These are the kind of defenses that we need to put our "morals" aside and hole 'em!!

;from 2020
:agree with psyko about getting together, messages, and using torps effectively... see suggestions below about practice... oh, and remember if this luci-type organisation goes to pot, keep 9pm gmt 15th sat in your diary free just in case... see [[FUN -- all in one day]]

;from 2020
:GMT does not mean time at greenwich, since daylight saving screws things up. So, 9pm GMT means 10pm on mainland britain from spring to autumn... not sure what this means to everyone else...

;featherfcuk
:The timeout has to have some rules. Team Something Something called timeout because PsYkO left, but nobody noticed. Timeouts should only be allowed when a key player leaves without a word or if there's a bad mixup in the lineup, like when we change teams and change back to move in the lineup but get stuck in the other team.

;Oblivion
:Hey can I be wingman next time. I hated it this time i couldnt get enough speed. I know if i could just get to there zone i could shake shake em up real good. Would you give me a chance as wingman on Thursday and see if im good enough :)

;from 2020
:you've got the wrong idea oblivion, there is no team trial, if you want to play... that's fine by me... it only starts getting tricky when we have more players than opponents... but you are right about positions... I think it may be a good idea to discuss what positions we like....... i will stick that on the mainpage...

Talk:Anarchic wanderers

2006-04-22T13:52:55Z

Ghableska:

;Use [http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc This] to convert Timzones.

== RollCall ==
We might be playing [fe] monday april 24(time not yet worked out)if u can make it monday please put name down here: featherfcuk (after 16:00 GMT) ghableska (after 20:30 GMT)

== Talk Page ==

;~~''NOTICE''~~
;PLAY OFFS STARTED,upcoming matches is us vs [fe].

;madmax
:BTW, i'm alive and well. lol
But this has been a rough week, and no time to play tron... Guess "i'll be back" saturday.

;featherfcuk
:Sorry dude. My bad.. I was having my period so I guess I was kinda overreacting because of the hormones and the killing of the whales and Jesus and all. Sorry :Þ

;Van
:feather u are looking at th AW page, not the team page which shows who is on the spoon team.
as for practices once we get some matches planned there will probly be more activity.(hopefully)
BTW my ping has been really shitty lately so I get fed up with tron easily lately<--my excuse for not showing up.

;featherfcuk
:I think we might have to take a roll call on who will have time playing in the playoffs. I haven't seen a few of us around the past days, nobody has shown up for the last 2 practices and there's not much traffic on the talk page. Are the teammembers losing interest or is this just because there hasn't been much going on lately, Spoon-wise? We have to pull the team back together before we start in the playoffs, we need to practice and get organized. There are a few e-mails missing so I can send the strategies to everyone.

:I think we're a few players short. In the original team roster there are 10 players registered, MaZuffer and Lackadaisical are on it, but they are both now in team Something Something. TBL has, according to Vanhayes, quit Tron and Wrtlprnft is in MBC. That leaves 6 players left. 6 players!! Oblivion had joined the team, but I haven't seen him around and I don't know about anyone else to join us, unless Zop would be interested.

:We were one of the strongest teams in the competition, now we've almost been reduced to rubble. I don't care about losing the competition, but damnit, I want to play as many games as possible. The 2 seed games I was able to participate in were the best games I've ever played in this great game. I just want to experience a few more of these organized games before I'll become an irregular player.

;featherfcuk
:This came when I clicked the link:

:Bad title
:From Armagetron Advanced Wiki

:The requested page title was invalid, empty, or an incorrectly linked inter-language or inter-wiki title.

:Oh, and great turnout at the practice. Me and Armagetron ran through some pretty important moves. He also told me a funny story about a hippie, the Buddha and a large overcoat during the McArthy era, but it was one of those "you had to be there" things.

;Van
:The knock out rounds have begun, see who we can play here [[Playoffs (The Spoon)|Playoffs]]

;FF
:Ok.. too bad though, he was a fun guy. Oh, about that strategy thing, I've got a .jpg that I'd really like to put up here, but there's no way to upload a picture now, always an error. Nobody seems to worry about it so I was wondering if we could post pictures somewhere else? We have to have some strategies if we're going to survive in the finals!

;van
:TBL said he was going to quit tron, so I'm pretty sure he did.

;Van
:Ya psyko is in charge of e-mails I think, though maybe not. Psyko?

;ghableksa
Just wondering whether someone could send out emails regarding practices, matches, etc...

; garis
:i just posted the time up above for hayes

;featherfcuk
:What is the time for the CT match?

;Oblivion
Hey is it ok if i join your team i think i have enough skill ;) I can try out if you want me to i just got 2.8.1 :) I wanna go kick some ass with the wanderers! I may not be able to make the practice times but ill practice multiple hours every day! I swear!

;Oblivion
I seriously think we should get everybody together on thursday and practice the fork, if we need points really bad i think it would be good to surprise the enemy be using that move!It could come of good use! The move has a lot of potential!

;featherfcuk
:Damn that Pimp.. almost ruined the thing. Luckily it was great and we sure kicked some Metal Based Carbon's arse! Anyway... I can't upload images, there seems to be a problem with the wiki, I just get a syntax error or something. Also, does anyone know if we can get a better index, like the one The Knights of Ni have? Or maybe there's a better way to navigate this page? I just always go to recent changes and look.

;Van
:Sorry about leaving at start, got banned for 345 or so minutes because I was polling,God I hate Pimp, hope u guys kicked ass and if not good try.( but probly Kicked ass)

;John Henderson
:Thank you. It sure is an honour to be here. I was talking about this team to my wife, while shaving my head and sucking on her toenail clippings, and she thinks we will be the first Tron champions in history. I think it's a pretty safe bet.

;Van
:hmm John henderson eh? well wellcome to AW.

;PsYkO
: Hey guys, since me and Hayez0rz are admins...can you all please post your e-mail accounts and I will send mass emails for practices, matches, etc.

Van's is lamb--chop@hotmail.com /
2020@davidpinto.org /
feather - eirikurj@gmail.com /
madmax.ptz@gmail.com
ghab - ghableska@gmail.com/
garisimo@aol.com/

;SOMEONE PLEASE GET THE OTHER'S EMAILS FOR ME THANKS

; gArIsImO
May I suggest #1 to post newer messages above this one? and keep a chronological order to this??? think of looking at your emails in outlook...
What an impressive match that was with team SS...although I thought we could have definitely have had them if Hayes didn't die 5 times and Psyk didn't dissapear all of a sudden! we had them! As far as Strategies...let me know where I can post the (garisimo defensive and offensive strategies....) thanks yall those were some exciting matches again!

;featherfcuk
:I posted a strategy form.. this is just to show you how we can display strategies. 2020: if you want I can make the fork strategy for you.......... YES PLEASE heheheh

;PsYkO
Can someone putting in the GMT times put in the EST times as well? and central times if you live there? Would help a lot..BTW sorry I missed the practice today the wiki page wouldn't load and I just decided to play AoE3 lol

;From PsYkO
:COME ON GUYS!! we are only getting like 3-5 people in each of our practices =/ WE need to become more of a team..
:Please everyone put these messages into your instant chats
:MAKE A HOLE FOR ME!
:I'M MAKING A HOLE!
:If it is 3v1 which a lot of times it will be..if we make a good hole it is like 99% chance that we will win..Especially that there are some VERY good defenses that we will be playing
:Maz, lacka, and nemo are very difficult to get into but it cane be done
:However, radian on fe overlaps his wall for the first couple of minutes making it impossible to get in...These are the kind of defenses that we need to put our "morals" aside and hole 'em!!

;from 2020
:agree with psyko about getting together, messages, and using torps effectively... see suggestions below about practice... oh, and remember if this luci-type organisation goes to pot, keep 9pm gmt 15th sat in your diary free just in case... see [[FUN -- all in one day]]

;from 2020
:GMT does not mean time at greenwich, since daylight saving screws things up. So, 9pm GMT means 10pm on mainland britain from spring to autumn... not sure what this means to everyone else...

;featherfcuk
:The timeout has to have some rules. Team Something Something called timeout because PsYkO left, but nobody noticed. Timeouts should only be allowed when a key player leaves without a word or if there's a bad mixup in the lineup, like when we change teams and change back to move in the lineup but get stuck in the other team.

;Oblivion
:Hey can I be wingman next time. I hated it this time i couldnt get enough speed. I know if i could just get to there zone i could shake shake em up real good. Would you give me a chance as wingman on Thursday and see if im good enough :)

;from 2020
:you've got the wrong idea oblivion, there is no team trial, if you want to play... that's fine by me... it only starts getting tricky when we have more players than opponents... but you are right about positions... I think it may be a good idea to discuss what positions we like....... i will stick that on the mainpage...

Talk:Anarchic wanderers

2006-04-13T00:11:10Z

Ghableska: /* Talk Page */

;Use [http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc This] to convert Timzones.

== RollCall ==

NO upcoming matches yet. still setting up.

== Talk Page ==

;~~''NOTICE''~~
:none

;ghableksa
Just wondering whether someone could send out emails regarding practices, matches, etc...

; garis
:i just posted the time up above for hayes

;featherfcuk
:What is the time for the CT match?

;Oblivion
Hey is it ok if i join your team i think i have enough skill ;) I can try out if you want me to i just got 2.8.1 :) I wanna go kick some ass with the wanderers! I may not be able to make the practice times but ill practice multiple hours every day! I swear!

;Oblivion
I seriously think we should get everybody together on thursday and practice the fork, if we need points really bad i think it would be good to surprise the enemy be using that move!It could come of good use! The move has a lot of potential!

;featherfcuk
:Damn that Pimp.. almost ruined the thing. Luckily it was great and we sure kicked some Metal Based Carbon's arse! Anyway... I can't upload images, there seems to be a problem with the wiki, I just get a syntax error or something. Also, does anyone know if we can get a better index, like the one The Knights of Ni have? Or maybe there's a better way to navigate this page? I just always go to recent changes and look.

;Van
:Sorry about leaving at start, got banned for 345 or so minutes because I was polling,God I hate Pimp, hope u guys kicked ass and if not good try.( but probly Kicked ass)

;John Henderson
:Thank you. It sure is an honour to be here. I was talking about this team to my wife, while shaving my head and sucking on her toenail clippings, and she thinks we will be the first Tron champions in history. I think it's a pretty safe bet.

;Van
:hmm John henderson eh? well wellcome to AW.

;PsYkO
: Hey guys, since me and Hayez0rz are admins...can you all please post your e-mail accounts and I will send mass emails for practices, matches, etc.

Van's is lamb--chop@hotmail.com /
2020@davidpinto.org /
feather - eirikurj@gmail.com /
madmax.ptz@gmail.com
ghab - ghableska@gmail.com/
garisimo@aol.com/

;SOMEONE PLEASE GET THE OTHER'S EMAILS FOR ME THANKS

; gArIsImO
May I suggest #1 to post newer messages above this one? and keep a chronological order to this??? think of looking at your emails in outlook...
What an impressive match that was with team SS...although I thought we could have definitely have had them if Hayes didn't die 5 times and Psyk didn't dissapear all of a sudden! we had them! As far as Strategies...let me know where I can post the (garisimo defensive and offensive strategies....) thanks yall those were some exciting matches again!

;featherfcuk
:I posted a strategy form.. this is just to show you how we can display strategies. 2020: if you want I can make the fork strategy for you.......... YES PLEASE heheheh

;PsYkO
Can someone putting in the GMT times put in the EST times as well? and central times if you live there? Would help a lot..BTW sorry I missed the practice today the wiki page wouldn't load and I just decided to play AoE3 lol

;From PsYkO
:COME ON GUYS!! we are only getting like 3-5 people in each of our practices =/ WE need to become more of a team..
:Please everyone put these messages into your instant chats
:MAKE A HOLE FOR ME!
:I'M MAKING A HOLE!
:If it is 3v1 which a lot of times it will be..if we make a good hole it is like 99% chance that we will win..Especially that there are some VERY good defenses that we will be playing
:Maz, lacka, and nemo are very difficult to get into but it cane be done
:However, radian on fe overlaps his wall for the first couple of minutes making it impossible to get in...These are the kind of defenses that we need to put our "morals" aside and hole 'em!!

;from 2020
:agree with psyko about getting together, messages, and using torps effectively... see suggestions below about practice... oh, and remember if this luci-type organisation goes to pot, keep 9pm gmt 15th sat in your diary free just in case... see [[FUN -- all in one day]]

;from 2020
:GMT does not mean time at greenwich, since daylight saving screws things up. So, 9pm GMT means 10pm on mainland britain from spring to autumn... not sure what this means to everyone else...

;featherfcuk
:The timeout has to have some rules. Team Something Something called timeout because PsYkO left, but nobody noticed. Timeouts should only be allowed when a key player leaves without a word or if there's a bad mixup in the lineup, like when we change teams and change back to move in the lineup but get stuck in the other team.

;Oblivion
:Hey can I be wingman next time. I hated it this time i couldnt get enough speed. I know if i could just get to there zone i could shake shake em up real good. Would you give me a chance as wingman on Thursday and see if im good enough :)

;from 2020
:you've got the wrong idea oblivion, there is no team trial, if you want to play... that's fine by me... it only starts getting tricky when we have more players than opponents... but you are right about positions... I think it may be a good idea to discuss what positions we like....... i will stick that on the mainpage...

Talk:Anarchic wanderers

2006-04-13T00:10:51Z

Ghableska: /* Talk Page */

;Use [http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc This] to convert Timzones.

== RollCall ==

NO upcoming matches yet. still setting up.

== Talk Page ==

;~~''NOTICE''~~
:none

;ghableksa Just wondering whether someone could send out emails regarding practices, matches, etc...

; garis
:i just posted the time up above for hayes

;featherfcuk
:What is the time for the CT match?

;Oblivion
Hey is it ok if i join your team i think i have enough skill ;) I can try out if you want me to i just got 2.8.1 :) I wanna go kick some ass with the wanderers! I may not be able to make the practice times but ill practice multiple hours every day! I swear!

;Oblivion
I seriously think we should get everybody together on thursday and practice the fork, if we need points really bad i think it would be good to surprise the enemy be using that move!It could come of good use! The move has a lot of potential!

;featherfcuk
:Damn that Pimp.. almost ruined the thing. Luckily it was great and we sure kicked some Metal Based Carbon's arse! Anyway... I can't upload images, there seems to be a problem with the wiki, I just get a syntax error or something. Also, does anyone know if we can get a better index, like the one The Knights of Ni have? Or maybe there's a better way to navigate this page? I just always go to recent changes and look.

;Van
:Sorry about leaving at start, got banned for 345 or so minutes because I was polling,God I hate Pimp, hope u guys kicked ass and if not good try.( but probly Kicked ass)

;John Henderson
:Thank you. It sure is an honour to be here. I was talking about this team to my wife, while shaving my head and sucking on her toenail clippings, and she thinks we will be the first Tron champions in history. I think it's a pretty safe bet.

;Van
:hmm John henderson eh? well wellcome to AW.

;PsYkO
: Hey guys, since me and Hayez0rz are admins...can you all please post your e-mail accounts and I will send mass emails for practices, matches, etc.

Van's is lamb--chop@hotmail.com /
2020@davidpinto.org /
feather - eirikurj@gmail.com /
madmax.ptz@gmail.com
ghab - ghableska@gmail.com/
garisimo@aol.com/

;SOMEONE PLEASE GET THE OTHER'S EMAILS FOR ME THANKS

; gArIsImO
May I suggest #1 to post newer messages above this one? and keep a chronological order to this??? think of looking at your emails in outlook...
What an impressive match that was with team SS...although I thought we could have definitely have had them if Hayes didn't die 5 times and Psyk didn't dissapear all of a sudden! we had them! As far as Strategies...let me know where I can post the (garisimo defensive and offensive strategies....) thanks yall those were some exciting matches again!

;featherfcuk
:I posted a strategy form.. this is just to show you how we can display strategies. 2020: if you want I can make the fork strategy for you.......... YES PLEASE heheheh

;PsYkO
Can someone putting in the GMT times put in the EST times as well? and central times if you live there? Would help a lot..BTW sorry I missed the practice today the wiki page wouldn't load and I just decided to play AoE3 lol

;From PsYkO
:COME ON GUYS!! we are only getting like 3-5 people in each of our practices =/ WE need to become more of a team..
:Please everyone put these messages into your instant chats
:MAKE A HOLE FOR ME!
:I'M MAKING A HOLE!
:If it is 3v1 which a lot of times it will be..if we make a good hole it is like 99% chance that we will win..Especially that there are some VERY good defenses that we will be playing
:Maz, lacka, and nemo are very difficult to get into but it cane be done
:However, radian on fe overlaps his wall for the first couple of minutes making it impossible to get in...These are the kind of defenses that we need to put our "morals" aside and hole 'em!!

;from 2020
:agree with psyko about getting together, messages, and using torps effectively... see suggestions below about practice... oh, and remember if this luci-type organisation goes to pot, keep 9pm gmt 15th sat in your diary free just in case... see [[FUN -- all in one day]]

;from 2020
:GMT does not mean time at greenwich, since daylight saving screws things up. So, 9pm GMT means 10pm on mainland britain from spring to autumn... not sure what this means to everyone else...

;featherfcuk
:The timeout has to have some rules. Team Something Something called timeout because PsYkO left, but nobody noticed. Timeouts should only be allowed when a key player leaves without a word or if there's a bad mixup in the lineup, like when we change teams and change back to move in the lineup but get stuck in the other team.

;Oblivion
:Hey can I be wingman next time. I hated it this time i couldnt get enough speed. I know if i could just get to there zone i could shake shake em up real good. Would you give me a chance as wingman on Thursday and see if im good enough :)

;from 2020
:you've got the wrong idea oblivion, there is no team trial, if you want to play... that's fine by me... it only starts getting tricky when we have more players than opponents... but you are right about positions... I think it may be a good idea to discuss what positions we like....... i will stick that on the mainpage...

Anarchic wanderers

2006-04-12T23:16:37Z

Ghableska: /* team positions */

[[Image:anarchic2.jpg]] 
We are evolving. Originally, the Anarchic Wanderers was merely a list of players who wanted to shadowbox fe-clan. Hence, it is not a clan. We managed one game; read about it [[6.3.8.0.5|here]].

We are now at the stage of setting up [[THE SPOON]] tournament. Get involved in the discussion and promote what appeals to you.

Trying to orchastrate a game is a bit tricky... I like the idea of getting together through something like Skype so we can speak together and type if necessary, plan times and strategy even. A current plan is to practice on Z-man's SPOON fortress server, to see if we can experiment with some new launches and things...

Names are presented below, but this has changed and may change again... invite whoever... and presumably at some stage, probably on the day, we decide amoungst the players who attend...

==strategy experiments==
I would like to try out different launches other than the standard pencil grind where everyone grinds to centre and encounter the enemy at the impact zone roughly in the middle of the arena.
;regular game play
[[Image:gameplay.jpg]]
;the fork
: 3 grind right almost immediate, 3 left, and only 2 go straight.
[[Image:fork1.jpg|center]]
: 3 are needed to pick up enough speed. What they do depends on many factors. Perhaps they want to attack, perhaps double back and defend. But to start, play around with the option of the centre two being defence. Perhaps they split either way, create a little wall, perhaps they double back and maze to defend the zone... who knows....

;Recording gameplay..
:Hey what do you guys think if one of us gets a screen recorder and records some of our matches or in CVS fortress? Like I would start recording in CVS if I was middle and post to show how much pwnidge I am at mid :PPPPPPPP
: But yeh..what joo guys think about recording our matches?
:2020: yeah... i don't mind recording... but what's the point... we all going to look at the games and suggest new strategies... hehehe
: ghableska I'm a bit confused. To record, you go to the AA Record, but where are the files saved, and what program do you use to open the recordings?----- '''Van''':Mine just go to my desktop, Use AA playback to "playback" your recording.

==team positions==
Although we may not know who will turn up, and how many opponents turn up, I think it may be a good idea to suggest what our prefered starting positions are. We need names for the different positions (point, wing, back, centre, that kind of thing), but we also should be familiar with the number of each position. Centre position is 1, first left is 2, first right is 3, and so on... so odd numbers are on the right; from left to right: 8 6 4 2 1(centre) 3 5 7. And remember, the reason why you may not end up in the position you wish for is because someone else has just moved altering the positions again....
; 8 back
:Probably for the goalie position...
; 6 outside wing left
:Probably for sweep left position...
:2020 likes this position...
:ghableska prefers this position
; 4 centre wing left
:Useful to grind the inside wingman who might be doubling back (supergrinding)... Probably midfield position... Probably defencive...
; 2 inside wing left
:Prime position for doubling-back... usually first player to meet the attacking force...
:2020 likes this position too...
:ghableska likes this position
; 1 centre point
:If inside wings do normal grind, then centre will be the fastest player hitting the opponents... Otherwise, with double-grinding to either side, it can get scary... Some players like to try to go down the centre of the opponents grind... takes timing and skill...
:2020 sometimes likes this...
; 3 inside wing right
:Doubling back is an option, and some players manage to get fantastic speeds and can outflank opponents quickly...
:2020 sometimes likes this position.... This left side is more offensive potentially. If the inside wing on the right takes the flank, there are two players behind who should probably follow through...
; 5 centre wing right
:Grinding maybe 3 or 3.5 enables a good super-grind for inside wing... Generally a midfield play, though be prepared to follow the inside wingman if outflanking opponents quickly.
; 7 outside wing right
:Usually defensive, but has the option of following the entire wing if there is a fast break against opponents. Sweep position left.
:2020's prefered position.

==who and why==
;PsYkO
:'''MUAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH''' =_+
;2020
:I want to practice some strategies at the team level... new launches... new ways of breaking... and see if there are some flank tactics or pair tactics that may emerge...
:Started working, so restricted playtime :( ... tell me when and where...
:Skype me: Fidocancan
;MaZuffeR
:Why? Why not. ;)
:Avaible almost always, preferred times between 4pm and 11pm GMT.
;Lackadaisical
:Because playing against the people here/people in fe is better than playing against random people.
:Playing whenever, but not always under this name, I guess i'm mostly available between 18PM-01AM GMT
;ghableska
:Same explanation as MaZ. In addition, it's fun and good practice.
:Weekdays are a bit iffy, but on weekends, I'm fine with 8pm GMT to whenever....
:Skype me: ghableska
;[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]]
:Why? To have fun of course :)
:Times between 12AM and 4AM GMT are the ones I prefer. I have no skype, you can find me over [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat IRC] on irc://freenode.org on the #armagetron channel, or just /msg me with my regular nick.
:In case MBC is involved in the fight... well, I guess I'll fight for them :)
;Vanhayes
:Because I Like Fortress, and want to take on the clans, eh.
:Usually availible between 4 pm and 9pm GMT-3, eh.
;Featherfcuk
:Because I'm a damn addict and I want a stronger fix. Also, I'm tired of the same strategy and would like to try something new..
:Available: usually always.
;madmax
:For the fun of playing with good players, and against good players. Not some messy random CVS game.
:Usually free from 17:00 GMT and 0:00 GMT, on weekends, 2:00 GMT, or something like that. =)
;TBL
:Jeffery Lebowski aka "The Dude", Venice Beach, Los Angeles, CA
:The Dude is not the kind of man that likes being tied down, so clans are a no go. Losely based teams however are fine.
:The Dude also enjoys talking about him self in 3rd person, bowling, acid flashbacks and driving around.
:The Dude is also available around evening GMT times, and fortress is his preferred fix.

;Oblivion
:'''TO GET ON SPOON SERVER YOU MUST USE THESE TAGS THIS WILL WORK [TSS]INSERT_NAME_HERE-AW THIS WILL WORK TO GET ON SERVER AND WILL WORK TO RECOGNIZE TEAM!'''

== '''Message''' ==

;From Van
: ok this page was getting a little too messy so from now on would anyone who wants to post a messege use the talk page.
:To use talk page click on [http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Anarchic_wanderers Discussion] at very top of this page, where I have moved the previous messages, Thank you.

== Planned matches ==
'''If Anyone has problems with any times plz post on talk page.'''
{|
!

||'''FE''':UNKNOWN IF THEY ARE IN SPOON.

|'''Lobster Mafia''':UNKNOWN TIMES
|}

'''PRACTICE TIMES'''
:O.K times will be every tuesday and thursday at 8 pm or 20 00 GMT (that's 9pm if you are living in UK due to summertime lightsaving rubbish...)
:if anyone has problem with these times or days plz post a good time for you here and we will work on it:

== The Spoon Game History ==
'''''History of matches '''''
{|
!
:Something Something(??):'''Lose''' 2-0 for them.
:Knights of Ni(ni):'''Win''' 2-0 for us.
:MBC:'''Win''' 2-1 for us.
:Crazy Tronners(CT):'''Win''' 2-0 for us.
|}
[[THE_SPOON_SEED_RESULTS|Seed Results]]

comments on them posted here

:Here are the scores from the MBC match:
[[Media:aw.vs.mbc.01.jpg]]
[[Media:aw.vs.mbc.02.jpg]]
[[Media:aw.vs.mbc.03.jpg]]

*** I'm having some trouble uploading the pictures, there's always a syntax error or something. ***

===6.4.12.20.0===
;from 2020
:The game went well from my point of view, at the back. We won the first game relatively easily, though Crazy Tronners put up a good fight in the second and nearly snatched it away from us: winner of the last game would win the match. It took ages to get down to playing though, with team-tags and all that gas... with players popping in and out - I think Garisimo's baby nearly choked to death so he had to leave at the beginning of the second match. And there was a lot of uncertainty as to whether we were playing a time-out match or not... Once ghab came, we had a full team, and luckily someone on the opponents team also appeared so we had a 8v8 game --- the only real way to play.
:I think z-man has been experimenting with tags, and numbers of players, with perhaps one player as substitute. I think it may be useful in the future, if z-man gave temporary admin status to team-captains for example, to determine the number of players each team has etc. Either that, or we as players just make damned sure we have 8 players in our teams, and we arrive on time... Which is what happens in the real world most of the time...

;from ghableska

I agree with 2020...good game, quite easy. I don't know what happened during the second match. We won...
Nothing more to say../

;from Oblivion

It was fun we owned the first match, and the second one we had a bit of trouble. I look forward to practicing the fork tommorow, if we get that move down we might be able to take on ?? and maybe even put up a good fight if not win! This was a very easy tourney, I think people could grind a bit heavier though.

===6.4.9.22.0===
;from 2020
:Messy game. They only had four players, so Zop played for them and Van left. We had madmax, 127.0.1 (though I think this was psyko in disguise? maybe?), featherfcuk, and garisimo, and ghab entered late but left before I could sub off... Then one of them left and sky replaced them... then gar left to find another player for them... very messy.... Still, we lost one game in the middle.... and it was closer than is should have been.... Luckily spidey wasn't playing for them, otherwise we might have been in more trouble... Anything interesting about the play....? Nope, don't think we tried anything unusual.... still waiting for the day when we can try different launches... OH, one thing: with only 5v5 there were people entering all the time... what a bore... either we need full teams or a way of closing the game once it has started...

;From PsYko
:z-man should give temporary boot privelages to team admins..

;From featherfcuk
:Not to Vanhayes though... Canadians are always powerfreaks, he's deemed to abuse that priviledge!

;Van
:no, no its pronounced CANADIAN not AMERICAN, u know canada the peacekeepers of the world?. And Use discussioin page u noobs.

===6.4.8.22.0===

;from 2020
:much more relaxed game... and winning the first match makes it much easier... best of 3 is very tough... I died a lot... but thankfully Van and Psyko and Zop and Ghab pulled the game out of the bag with their incredible skills.... Wow... what a game... pity we didn't have 8v8 though... I think that is when it is crazy....
:Oh, me and ghab were chatting on Skype during the whole thing... which didn't reduce my ping... it was kind of useful... it would be nice if we were all connected on the team...
:Finally... it would be nice to have some kind of debriefing... so we as a team can talk about the game.. how we felt etc.... Any fresh ideas about how it went and so on...

;from ghableska
:I agree with 2020, it was IMHO a lot easier, and relaxed. The games seemed to move a lot slower than our matches against the Somethingsomething. I had some keyboard troubles and had to quit in the middle of the game and restart. And we believe (hopefully) that a fake Lucifer came in. And we kicked him. Other than that, it was quite normal.

;from Van
:Ya it was a more relaxed game, first match wasnt too hard but second one had me worried when they took the lead. Without 8vs8 we had to constantly kick people though, which is annoying but really doesnt effect much. O ya and that ''was'' a fake luci, it was really pimp.

;from PsYkO
:Omg by the end of that 2nd match my fingers were so mangled..I think the key to winning these things is to STAY ALIVE. Do anything necessary to stay alive. GOD DAMMIT CANT WAIT TO PLAY MBC rofl

===6.4.5.21.0===

;van
:Something Something (??)- beat us 2-0 of best outa 3 matches, close ones but WD to them

;ghableska
:We had a match against the SomethingSomething team today. And we lost. It's very easy to see the difference when you play games on CVS and here. The games were much tougher and intense. I hope that our team can get a strategy soon, or else......

;2020
:Crazy game... stress was huge... I played ok, but didn't feel good at any time apart from keeping maz back for ages during one round; the only time I felt really useful... An interesting idea that came up was feather's Time-out, but I think we have to wait before introducing this.... I think the rules should be firm: play the best of 3 straight through... no excuses. I mean, Psyko disappeared near the end of the first game, which threw me, and then reappeared at the start of the next... if this happens... we just have to play through.... Anyhoooo -- great game, loved it... bring it on...
:By the way, who played...?

;Lackadaisical [??]
:Yeah, the timeout thing was a bit hazy, it would be better if we had talked about it before the game took place, but oh well, better luck next time. I really think we should make the play offs a best of five, since this was a bit too short imho (quote someone: 'i finally warmed up, 2 matches too late'). Pavelo made a (debug) recording, its 4.2 megs packed, but i'm not sure if/when he's going to put them online. Good games, hope to see you in the playoffs.

;gArIsImO
I was very impressed with the level of skill from team ?? ....could this possibly be a preview of the final match????????? more to come...
I definitely agree with Lacks on the best of 5 match for the playoff pix. we should also think about scheduling the tournament at ONE time in ONE place so we can have people watch as well (so long as it does not affect the LAG factor)...

Cheers!

Anarchic wanderers

2006-04-12T21:44:35Z

Ghableska: /* 6.4.12.20.0 */

[[Image:anarchic2.jpg]] 
We are evolving. Originally, the Anarchic Wanderers was merely a list of players who wanted to shadowbox fe-clan. Hence, it is not a clan. We managed one game; read about it [[6.3.8.0.5|here]].

We are now at the stage of setting up [[THE SPOON]] tournament. Get involved in the discussion and promote what appeals to you.

Trying to orchastrate a game is a bit tricky... I like the idea of getting together through something like Skype so we can speak together and type if necessary, plan times and strategy even. A current plan is to practice on Z-man's SPOON fortress server, to see if we can experiment with some new launches and things...

Names are presented below, but this has changed and may change again... invite whoever... and presumably at some stage, probably on the day, we decide amoungst the players who attend...

==strategy experiments==
I would like to try out different launches other than the standard pencil grind where everyone grinds to centre and encounter the enemy at the impact zone roughly in the middle of the arena.
;regular game play
[[Image:gameplay.jpg]]
;the fork
: 3 grind right almost immediate, 3 left, and only 2 go straight.
[[Image:fork1.jpg|center]]
: 3 are needed to pick up enough speed. What they do depends on many factors. Perhaps they want to attack, perhaps double back and defend. But to start, play around with the option of the centre two being defence. Perhaps they split either way, create a little wall, perhaps they double back and maze to defend the zone... who knows....

;Recording gameplay..
:Hey what do you guys think if one of us gets a screen recorder and records some of our matches or in CVS fortress? Like I would start recording in CVS if I was middle and post to show how much pwnidge I am at mid :PPPPPPPP
: But yeh..what joo guys think about recording our matches?
:2020: yeah... i don't mind recording... but what's the point... we all going to look at the games and suggest new strategies... hehehe
: ghableska I'm a bit confused. To record, you go to the AA Record, but where are the files saved, and what program do you use to open the recordings?----- '''Van''':Mine just go to my desktop, Use AA playback to "playback" your recording.

==who and why==
;PsYkO
:'''MUAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH''' =_+
;2020
:I want to practice some strategies at the team level... new launches... new ways of breaking... and see if there are some flank tactics or pair tactics that may emerge...
:Started working, so restricted playtime :( ... tell me when and where...
:Skype me: Fidocancan
;MaZuffeR
:Why? Why not. ;)
:Avaible almost always, preferred times between 4pm and 11pm GMT.
;Lackadaisical
:Because playing against the people here/people in fe is better than playing against random people.
:Playing whenever, but not always under this name, I guess i'm mostly available between 18PM-01AM GMT
;ghableska
:Same explanation as MaZ. In addition, it's fun and good practice.
:Weekdays are a bit iffy, but on weekends, I'm fine with 8pm GMT to whenever....
:Skype me: ghableska
;[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]]
:Why? To have fun of course :)
:Times between 12AM and 4AM GMT are the ones I prefer. I have no skype, you can find me over [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat IRC] on irc://freenode.org on the #armagetron channel, or just /msg me with my regular nick.
:In case MBC is involved in the fight... well, I guess I'll fight for them :)
;Vanhayes
:Because I Like Fortress, and want to take on the clans, eh.
:Usually availible between 4 pm and 9pm GMT-3, eh.
;Featherfcuk
:Because I'm a damn addict and I want a stronger fix. Also, I'm tired of the same strategy and would like to try something new..
:Available: usually always.
;madmax
:For the fun of playing with good players, and against good players. Not some messy random CVS game.
:Usually free from 17:00 GMT and 0:00 GMT, on weekends, 2:00 GMT, or something like that. =)
;TBL
:Jeffery Lebowski aka "The Dude", Venice Beach, Los Angeles, CA
:The Dude is not the kind of man that likes being tied down, so clans are a no go. Losely based teams however are fine.
:The Dude also enjoys talking about him self in 3rd person, bowling, acid flashbacks and driving around.
:The Dude is also available around evening GMT times, and fortress is his preferred fix.

;Oblivion
:'''TO GET ON SPOON SERVER YOU MUST USE THESE TAGS THIS WILL WORK [TSS]INSERT_NAME_HERE-AW THIS WILL WORK TO GET ON SERVER AND WILL WORK TO RECOGNIZE TEAM!'''

== '''Message''' ==

;From Van
: ok this page was getting a little too messy so from now on would anyone who wants to post a messege use the talk page.
:To use talk page click on [http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Anarchic_wanderers Discussion] at very top of this page, where I have moved the previous messages, Thank you.

== Planned matches ==
'''If Anyone has problems with any times plz post on talk page.'''
{|
!

||'''FE''':UNKNOWN IF THEY ARE IN SPOON.

|'''Lobster Mafia''':UNKNOWN TIMES
|}

'''PRACTICE TIMES'''
:O.K times will be every tuesday and thursday at 8 pm or 20 00 GMT (that's 9pm if you are living in UK due to summertime lightsaving rubbish...)
:if anyone has problem with these times or days plz post a good time for you here and we will work on it:

== The Spoon Game History ==
'''''History of matches '''''
{|
!
:Something Something(??):'''Lose''' 2-0 for them.
:Knights of Ni(ni):'''Win''' 2-0 for us.
:MBC:'''Win''' 2-1 for us.
:Crazy Tronners(CT):'''Win''' 2-0 for us.
|}

comments on them posted here

:Here are the scores from the MBC match:
[[Media:aw.vs.mbc.01.jpg]]
[[Media:aw.vs.mbc.02.jpg]]
[[Media:aw.vs.mbc.03.jpg]]

*** I'm having some trouble uploading the pictures, there's always a syntax error or something. ***

===6.4.12.20.0===
;from 2020
:The game went well from my point of view, at the back. We won the first game relatively easily, though Crazy Tronners put up a good fight in the second and nearly snatched it away from us: winner of the last game would win the match. It took ages to get down to playing though, with team-tags and all that gas... with players popping in and out - I think Garisimo's baby nearly choked to death so he had to leave at the beginning of the second match. And there was a lot of uncertainty as to whether we were playing a time-out match or not... Once ghab came, we had a full team, and luckily someone on the opponents team also appeared so we had a 8v8 game --- the only real way to play.
:I think z-man has been experimenting with tags, and numbers of players, with perhaps one player as substitute. I think it may be useful in the future, if z-man gave temporary admin status to team-captains for example, to determine the number of players each team has etc. Either that, or we as players just make damned sure we have 8 players in our teams, and we arrive on time... Which is what happens in the real world most of the time...

;from ghableska

I agree with 2020...good game, quite easy. I don't know what happened during the second match. We won...
Nothing more to say../

===6.4.9.22.0===
;from 2020
:Messy game. They only had four players, so Zop played for them and Van left. We had madmax, 127.0.1 (though I think this was psyko in disguise? maybe?), featherfcuk, and garisimo, and ghab entered late but left before I could sub off... Then one of them left and sky replaced them... then gar left to find another player for them... very messy.... Still, we lost one game in the middle.... and it was closer than is should have been.... Luckily spidey wasn't playing for them, otherwise we might have been in more trouble... Anything interesting about the play....? Nope, don't think we tried anything unusual.... still waiting for the day when we can try different launches... OH, one thing: with only 5v5 there were people entering all the time... what a bore... either we need full teams or a way of closing the game once it has started...

;From PsYko
:z-man should give temporary boot privelages to team admins..

;From featherfcuk
:Not to Vanhayes though... Canadians are always powerfreaks, he's deemed to abuse that priviledge!

;Van
:no, no its pronounced CANADIAN not AMERICAN, u know canada the peacekeepers of the world?. And Use discussioin page u noobs.

===6.4.8.22.0===

;from 2020
:much more relaxed game... and winning the first match makes it much easier... best of 3 is very tough... I died a lot... but thankfully Van and Psyko and Zop and Ghab pulled the game out of the bag with their incredible skills.... Wow... what a game... pity we didn't have 8v8 though... I think that is when it is crazy....
:Oh, me and ghab were chatting on Skype during the whole thing... which didn't reduce my ping... it was kind of useful... it would be nice if we were all connected on the team...
:Finally... it would be nice to have some kind of debriefing... so we as a team can talk about the game.. how we felt etc.... Any fresh ideas about how it went and so on...

;from ghableska
:I agree with 2020, it was IMHO a lot easier, and relaxed. The games seemed to move a lot slower than our matches against the Somethingsomething. I had some keyboard troubles and had to quit in the middle of the game and restart. And we believe (hopefully) that a fake Lucifer came in. And we kicked him. Other than that, it was quite normal.

;from Van
:Ya it was a more relaxed game, first match wasnt too hard but second one had me worried when they took the lead. Without 8vs8 we had to constantly kick people though, which is annoying but really doesnt effect much. O ya and that ''was'' a fake luci, it was really pimp.

;from PsYkO
:Omg by the end of that 2nd match my fingers were so mangled..I think the key to winning these things is to STAY ALIVE. Do anything necessary to stay alive. GOD DAMMIT CANT WAIT TO PLAY MBC rofl

===6.4.5.21.0===

;van
:Something Something (??)- beat us 2-0 of best outa 3 matches, close ones but WD to them

;ghableska
:We had a match against the SomethingSomething team today. And we lost. It's very easy to see the difference when you play games on CVS and here. The games were much tougher and intense. I hope that our team can get a strategy soon, or else......

;2020
:Crazy game... stress was huge... I played ok, but didn't feel good at any time apart from keeping maz back for ages during one round; the only time I felt really useful... An interesting idea that came up was feather's Time-out, but I think we have to wait before introducing this.... I think the rules should be firm: play the best of 3 straight through... no excuses. I mean, Psyko disappeared near the end of the first game, which threw me, and then reappeared at the start of the next... if this happens... we just have to play through.... Anyhoooo -- great game, loved it... bring it on...
:By the way, who played...?

;Lackadaisical [??]
:Yeah, the timeout thing was a bit hazy, it would be better if we had talked about it before the game took place, but oh well, better luck next time. I really think we should make the play offs a best of five, since this was a bit too short imho (quote someone: 'i finally warmed up, 2 matches too late'). Pavelo made a (debug) recording, its 4.2 megs packed, but i'm not sure if/when he's going to put them online. Good games, hope to see you in the playoffs.

;gArIsImO
I was very impressed with the level of skill from team ?? ....could this possibly be a preview of the final match????????? more to come...
I definitely agree with Lacks on the best of 5 match for the playoff pix. we should also think about scheduling the tournament at ONE time in ONE place so we can have people watch as well (so long as it does not affect the LAG factor)...

Cheers!

Talk:Anarchic wanderers

2006-04-11T22:58:09Z

Ghableska: /* RollCall */

;Use [http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc This] to convert Timzones.

== RollCall ==

;Ok rolecall for whoever can make it to match against CT, if u see anyone on the team please tell them date and time (which is Wendsday April 12 at 2000 GMT)

;Post names here if you '''''CAN''''' make it or know if someone else can.

Vanhayes, gArIsImo, featherfcuk (I can't make Wendsday, but I can make Wednesday), 2020 - the real one, ghableska (if you can somehow delay the match by 15 minutes or so, I can make it)

== Talk Page ==

;~~''NOTICE''~~
:'''For match against CT there will be a timeout match in between real ones and no winzones whatsoever!'''

;featherfcuk
:What is the time for the CT match?

;featherfcuk
:Damn that Pimp.. almost ruined the thing. Luckily it was great and we sure kicked some Metal Based Carbon's arse! Anyway... I can't upload images, there seems to be a problem with the wiki, I just get a syntax error or something. Also, does anyone know if we can get a better index, like the one The Knights of Ni have? Or maybe there's a better way to navigate this page? I just always go to recent changes and look.

;Van
:Sorry about leaving at start, got banned for 345 or so minutes because I was polling,God I hate Pimp, hope u guys kicked ass and if not good try.( but probly Kicked ass)

;John Henderson
:Thank you. It sure is an honour to be here. I was talking about this team to my wife, while shaving my head and sucking on her toenail clippings, and she thinks we will be the first Tron champions in history. I think it's a pretty safe bet.

;Van
:hmm John henderson eh? well wellcome to AW.

;PsYkO
: Hey guys, since me and Hayez0rz are admins...can you all please post your e-mail accounts and I will send mass emails for practices, matches, etc.

Van's is lamb--chop@hotmail.com /
2020@davidpinto.org /
feather - eirikurj@gmail.com /
madmax.ptz@gmail.com
ghab - ghableska@gmail.com/
garisimo@aol.com/

;SOMEONE PLEASE GET THE OTHER'S EMAILS FOR ME THANKS

; gArIsImO
May I suggest #1 to post newer messages above this one? and keep a chronological order to this??? think of looking at your emails in outlook...
What an impressive match that was with team SS...although I thought we could have definitely have had them if Hayes didn't die 5 times and Psyk didn't dissapear all of a sudden! we had them! As far as Strategies...let me know where I can post the (garisimo defensive and offensive strategies....) thanks yall those were some exciting matches again!

;featherfcuk
:I posted a strategy form.. this is just to show you how we can display strategies. 2020: if you want I can make the fork strategy for you.......... YES PLEASE heheheh

;PsYkO
Can someone putting in the GMT times put in the EST times as well? and central times if you live there? Would help a lot..BTW sorry I missed the practice today the wiki page wouldn't load and I just decided to play AoE3 lol

;From PsYkO
:COME ON GUYS!! we are only getting like 3-5 people in each of our practices =/ WE need to become more of a team..
:Please everyone put these messages into your instant chats
:MAKE A HOLE FOR ME!
:I'M MAKING A HOLE!
:If it is 3v1 which a lot of times it will be..if we make a good hole it is like 99% chance that we will win..Especially that there are some VERY good defenses that we will be playing
:Maz, lacka, and nemo are very difficult to get into but it cane be done
:However, radian on fe overlaps his wall for the first couple of minutes making it impossible to get in...These are the kind of defenses that we need to put our "morals" aside and hole 'em!!

;from 2020
:agree with psyko about getting together, messages, and using torps effectively... see suggestions below about practice... oh, and remember if this luci-type organisation goes to pot, keep 9pm gmt 15th sat in your diary free just in case... see [[FUN -- all in one day]]

;from 2020
:GMT does not mean time at greenwich, since daylight saving screws things up. So, 9pm GMT means 10pm on mainland britain from spring to autumn... not sure what this means to everyone else...

;featherfcuk
:The timeout has to have some rules. Team Something Something called timeout because PsYkO left, but nobody noticed. Timeouts should only be allowed when a key player leaves without a word or if there's a bad mixup in the lineup, like when we change teams and change back to move in the lineup but get stuck in the other team.

Anarchic wanderers

2006-04-08T23:21:18Z

Ghableska: /* 6.4.8.22.0 */

[[Image:anarchic.jpg]] 
We are evolving. Originally, the Anarchic Wanderers was merely a list of players who wanted to shadowbox fe-clan. Hence, it is not a clan. We managed one game; read about it [[6.3.8.0.5|here]].

We are now at the stage of setting up [[THE SPOON]] tournament. Get involved in the discussion and promote what appeals to you.

Trying to orchastrate a game is a bit tricky... I like the idea of getting together through something like Skype so we can speak together and type if necessary, plan times and strategy even. A current plan is to practice on Z-man's SPOON fortress server, to see if we can experiment with some new launches and things...

Names are presented below, but this has changed and may change again... invite whoever... and presumably at some stage, probably on the day, we decide amoungst the players who attend...

==strategy experiments==
I would like to try out different launches other than the standard pencil grind where everyone grinds to centre and encounter the enemy at the impact zone roughly in the middle of the arena.
;regular game play
[[Image:gameplay.jpg]]
;the fork
: 3 grind right almost immediate, 3 left, and only 2 go straight.
[[Image:fork1.jpg|center]]
: 3 are needed to pick up enough speed. What they do depends on many factors. Perhaps they want to attack, perhaps double back and defend. But to start, play around with the option of the centre two being defence. Perhaps they split either way, create a little wall, perhaps they double back and maze to defend the zone... who knows....

;Recording gameplay..
:Hey what do you guys think if one of us gets a screen recorder and records some of our matches or in CVS fortress? Like I would start recording in CVS if I was middle and post to show how much pwnidge I am at mid :PPPPPPPP
: But yeh..what joo guys think about recording our matches?
:2020: yeah... i don't mind recording... but what's the point... we all going to look at the games and suggest new strategies... hehehe
: ghableska I'm a bit confused. To record, you go to the AA Record, but where are the files saved, and what program do you use to open the recordings?----- '''Van''':Mine just go to my desktop, Use AA playback to "playback" your recording.

==who and why==
;PsYkO
:'''MUAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH''' =_+
;2020
:I want to practice some strategies at the team level... new launches... new ways of breaking... and see if there are some flank tactics or pair tactics that may emerge...
:Started working, so restricted playtime :( ... tell me when and where...
:Skype me: Fidocancan
;MaZuffeR
:Why? Why not. ;)
:Avaible almost always, preferred times between 4pm and 11pm GMT.
;Lackadaisical
:Because playing against the people here/people in fe is better than playing against random people.
:Playing whenever, but not always under this name, I guess i'm mostly available between 18PM-01AM GMT
;ghableska
:Same explanation as MaZ. In addition, it's fun and good practice.
:Weekdays are a bit iffy, but on weekends, I'm fine with 8pm GMT to whenever....
:Skype me: ghableska
;[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]]
:Why? To have fun of course :)
:Times between 12AM and 4AM GMT are the ones I prefer. I have no skype, you can find me over [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat IRC] on irc://freenode.org on the #armagetron channel, or just /msg me with my regular nick.
:In case MBC is involved in the fight... well, I guess I'll fight for them :)
;Vanhayes
:Because I Like Fortress, and want to take on the clans, eh.
:Usually availible between 4 pm and 9pm GMT-3, eh.
;Featherfcuk
:Because I'm a damn addict and I want a stronger fix. Also, I'm tired of the same strategy and would like to try something new..
:Available: usually always.
;madmax
:For the fun of playing with good players, and against good players. Not some messy random CVS game.
:Usually free from 17:00 GMT and 0:00 GMT, on weekends, 2:00 GMT, or something like that. =)
;TBL
:Jeffery Lebowski aka "The Dude", Venice Beach, Los Angeles, CA
:The Dude is not the kind of man that likes being tied down, so clans are a no go. Losely based teams however are fine.
:The Dude also enjoys talking about him self in 3rd person, bowling, acid flashbacks and driving around.
:The Dude is also available around evening GMT times, and fortress is his preferred fix.

== '''Message''' ==

;From Van
: ok this page was getting a little too messy so from now on would anyone who wants to post a messege use the talk page.
:To use talk page click on [http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Anarchic_wanderers Discussion] at very top of this page, where I have moved the previous messages, Thank you.

== Planned matches ==
'''If Anyone has problems with any times plz post on talk page.'''
{|
!

|'''MBC''':
Sunday april 9, 6:00 pm CDT which is (I think) 23:00 GMT or11 pm

|'''Crazy Tronners''':
Possibly Wendsday April 12 at 20:00 GMT.

||'''FE''':
Maybe Thursday, April 13, at 20:00 Gmt.Maybe

|'''Lobster Mafia''':

|'''~"XzL.Accel Clan''':
'''NOT PARTICIPATING'''
|}

'''PRACTICE TIMES'''
:O.K times will be every tuesday and thursday at 8 pm or 20 00 GMT (that's 9pm if you are living in UK due to summertime lightsaving rubbish...)
:if anyone has problem with these times or days plz post a good time for you here and we will work on it:

== The Spoon Game History ==
'''''History of matches '''''
{|
!
:Something Something(??):'''Lose''' 2-0 for them.
:Knights of Ni(ni):'''Win''' 2-0 for us.

|}

comments on them posted here

===6.4.8.22.0===

;from 2020
:much more relaxed game... and winning the first match makes it much easier... best of 3 is very tough... I died a lot... but thankfully Van and Psyko and Zop and Ghab pulled the game out of the bag with their incredible skills.... Wow... what a game... pity we didn't have 8v8 though... I think that is when it is crazy....

;from ghableska
:I agree with 2020, it was IMHO a lot easier, and relaxed. The games seemed to move a lot slower than our matches against the Somethingsomething. I had some keyboard troubles and had to quit in the middle of the game and restart. And we believe (hopefully) that a fake Lucifer came in. And we kicked him. Other than that, it was quite normal.

===6.4.5.21.0===

;van
:Something Something (??)- beat us 2-0 of best outa 3 matches, close ones but WD to them

;ghableska
:We had a match against the SomethingSomething team today. And we lost. It's very easy to see the difference when you play games on CVS and here. The games were much tougher and intense. I hope that our team can get a strategy soon, or else......

;2020
:Crazy game... stress was huge... I played ok, but didn't feel good at any time apart from keeping maz back for ages during one round; the only time I felt really useful... An interesting idea that came up was feather's Time-out, but I think we have to wait before introducing this.... I think the rules should be firm: play the best of 3 straight through... no excuses. I mean, Psyko disappeared near the end of the first game, which threw me, and then reappeared at the start of the next... if this happens... we just have to play through.... Anyhoooo -- great game, loved it... bring it on...
:By the way, who played...?

;Lackadaisical [??]
:Yeah, the timeout thing was a bit hazy, it would be better if we had talked about it before the game took place, but oh well, better luck next time. I really think we should make the play offs a best of five, since this was a bit too short imho (quote someone: 'i finally warmed up, 2 matches too late'). Pavelo made a (debug) recording, its 4.2 megs packed, but i'm not sure if/when he's going to put them online. Good games, hope to see you in the playoffs.

;gArIsImO
I was very impressed with the level of skill from team ?? ....could this possibly be a preview of the final match????????? more to come...
I definitely agree with Lacks on the best of 5 match for the playoff pix. we should also think about scheduling the tournament at ONE time in ONE place so we can have people watch as well (so long as it does not affect the LAG factor)...

Cheers!

==previous games==
We've had one, against fe-clan: [[6.3.8.0.5]].

Talk:Anarchic wanderers

2006-04-08T16:40:56Z

Ghableska: /* Talk Page */

== Talk Page ==
;From Van

;Use [http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc This] to convert Timzones.

;Van
:Ok rolecall for whoever can make it to match against Ni, if u see anyone on the team please tell them date and time.
;Post names here if you '''''CAN''''' make it.

;featherfcuk
:Where has the Wiki been?
:My cat is sitting on my keyboard so it's hard to write, but I think he want's me to.
:I'm in... Although I have a christening from 16:00 / 4:00 pm until whenever, but if it's past 20:00 :/ 8:00 pm I'll make it. Besides.. Jesus and Sigur Rós
:told me i'll kick ass in that game... sleepy time....

;from 2020
:yup, up for both... ni on sat and mbc on sunday...

;gArIsImO is DOWN for BOTH games!
:remember Max can't play today

; ghableska I should be able to play today, not sure about Sunday.

;PsYkO
: Hey guys, since me and Hayez0rz are admins...can you all please post your e-mail accounts and I will send mass emails for practices, matches, etc.

Van's is lamb--chop@hotmail.com /
2020@davidpinto.org /
feather - eirikurj@gmail.com /
madmax.ptz@gmail.com
ghab - ghableska@gmail.com/
garisimo@aol.com/

;SOMEONE PLEASE GET THE OTHER'S EMAILS FOR ME THANKS

; gArIsImO
May I suggest #1 to post newer messages above this one? and keep a chronological order to this??? think of looking at your emails in outlook...
What an impressive match that was with team SS...although I thought we could have definitely have had them if Hayes didn't die 5 times and Psyk didn't dissapear all of a sudden! we had them! As far as Strategies...let me know where I can post the (garisimo defensive and offensive strategies....) thanks yall those were some exciting matches again!

;featherfcuk
:I posted a strategy form.. this is just to show you how we can display strategies. 2020: if you want I can make the fork strategy for you..........

;From PsYkO
:COME ON GUYS!! we are only getting like 3-5 people in each of our practices =/ WE need to become more of a team..
:Please everyone put these messages into your instant chats
:MAKE A HOLE FOR ME!
:I'M MAKING A HOLE!
:If it is 3v1 which a lot of times it will be..if we make a good hole it is like 99% chance that we will win..Especially that there are some VERY good defenses that we will be playing
:Maz, lacka, and nemo are very difficult to get into but it cane be done
:However, radian on fe overlaps his wall for the first couple of minutes making it impossible to get in...These are the kind of defenses that we need to put our "morals" aside and hole 'em!!

;from 2020
:agree with psyko about getting together, messages, and using torps effectively... see suggestions below about practice... oh, and remember if this luci-type organisation goes to pot, keep 9pm gmt 15th sat in your diary free just in case... see [[FUN -- all in one day]]

;from 2020
:GMT does not mean time at greenwich, since daylight saving screws things up. So, 9pm GMT means 10pm on mainland britain from spring to autumn... not sure what this means to everyone else...

;featherfcuk
:The timeout has to have some rules. Team Something Something called timeout because PsYkO left, but nobody noticed. Timeouts should only be allowed when a key player leaves without a word or if there's a bad mixup in the lineup, like when we change teams and change back to move in the lineup but get stuck in the other team.

;madmax
:I can't play on Saturday 22:00GMT... :S

Talk:Anarchic wanderers

2006-04-08T16:40:29Z

Ghableska: /* Talk Page */

== Talk Page ==
;From Van

;Use [http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc This] to convert Timzones.

;Van
:Ok rolecall for whoever can make it to match against Ni, if u see anyone on the team please tell them date and time.
;Post names here if you '''''CAN''''' make it.

;featherfcuk
:Where has the Wiki been?
:My cat is sitting on my keyboard so it's hard to write, but I think he want's me to.
:I'm in... Although I have a christening from 16:00 / 4:00 pm until whenever, but if it's past 20:00 :/ 8:00 pm I'll make it. Besides.. Jesus and Sigur Rós
:told me i'll kick ass in that game... sleepy time....

;from 2020
:yup, up for both... ni on sat and mbc on sunday...

;gArIsImO is DOWN for BOTH games!
:remember Max can't play today

:ghableska should be able to play today, not sure about tomorrow...

;PsYkO
: Hey guys, since me and Hayez0rz are admins...can you all please post your e-mail accounts and I will send mass emails for practices, matches, etc.

Van's is lamb--chop@hotmail.com /
2020@davidpinto.org /
feather - eirikurj@gmail.com /
madmax.ptz@gmail.com
ghab - ghableska@gmail.com/
garisimo@aol.com/

;SOMEONE PLEASE GET THE OTHER'S EMAILS FOR ME THANKS

; gArIsImO
May I suggest #1 to post newer messages above this one? and keep a chronological order to this??? think of looking at your emails in outlook...
What an impressive match that was with team SS...although I thought we could have definitely have had them if Hayes didn't die 5 times and Psyk didn't dissapear all of a sudden! we had them! As far as Strategies...let me know where I can post the (garisimo defensive and offensive strategies....) thanks yall those were some exciting matches again!

;featherfcuk
:I posted a strategy form.. this is just to show you how we can display strategies. 2020: if you want I can make the fork strategy for you..........

;From PsYkO
:COME ON GUYS!! we are only getting like 3-5 people in each of our practices =/ WE need to become more of a team..
:Please everyone put these messages into your instant chats
:MAKE A HOLE FOR ME!
:I'M MAKING A HOLE!
:If it is 3v1 which a lot of times it will be..if we make a good hole it is like 99% chance that we will win..Especially that there are some VERY good defenses that we will be playing
:Maz, lacka, and nemo are very difficult to get into but it cane be done
:However, radian on fe overlaps his wall for the first couple of minutes making it impossible to get in...These are the kind of defenses that we need to put our "morals" aside and hole 'em!!

;from 2020
:agree with psyko about getting together, messages, and using torps effectively... see suggestions below about practice... oh, and remember if this luci-type organisation goes to pot, keep 9pm gmt 15th sat in your diary free just in case... see [[FUN -- all in one day]]

;from 2020
:GMT does not mean time at greenwich, since daylight saving screws things up. So, 9pm GMT means 10pm on mainland britain from spring to autumn... not sure what this means to everyone else...

;featherfcuk
:The timeout has to have some rules. Team Something Something called timeout because PsYkO left, but nobody noticed. Timeouts should only be allowed when a key player leaves without a word or if there's a bad mixup in the lineup, like when we change teams and change back to move in the lineup but get stuck in the other team.

;madmax
:I can't play on Saturday 22:00GMT... :S

Talk:Anarchic wanderers

2006-04-08T16:40:12Z

Ghableska: /* Talk Page */

== Talk Page ==
;From Van

;Use [http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc This] to convert Timzones.

;Van
:Ok rolecall for whoever can make it to match against Ni, if u see anyone on the team please tell them date and time.
;Post names here if you '''''CAN''''' make it.

;featherfcuk
:Where has the Wiki been?
:My cat is sitting on my keyboard so it's hard to write, but I think he want's me to.
:I'm in... Although I have a christening from 16:00 / 4:00 pm until whenever, but if it's past 20:00 :/ 8:00 pm I'll make it. Besides.. Jesus and Sigur Rós
:told me i'll kick ass in that game... sleepy time....

;from 2020
:yup, up for both... ni on sat and mbc on sunday...

;gArIsImO is DOWN for BOTH games!
:remember Max can't play today

;ghableska should be able to play today, not sure about tomorrow...

;PsYkO
: Hey guys, since me and Hayez0rz are admins...can you all please post your e-mail accounts and I will send mass emails for practices, matches, etc.

Van's is lamb--chop@hotmail.com /
2020@davidpinto.org /
feather - eirikurj@gmail.com /
madmax.ptz@gmail.com
ghab - ghableska@gmail.com/
garisimo@aol.com/

;SOMEONE PLEASE GET THE OTHER'S EMAILS FOR ME THANKS

; gArIsImO
May I suggest #1 to post newer messages above this one? and keep a chronological order to this??? think of looking at your emails in outlook...
What an impressive match that was with team SS...although I thought we could have definitely have had them if Hayes didn't die 5 times and Psyk didn't dissapear all of a sudden! we had them! As far as Strategies...let me know where I can post the (garisimo defensive and offensive strategies....) thanks yall those were some exciting matches again!

;featherfcuk
:I posted a strategy form.. this is just to show you how we can display strategies. 2020: if you want I can make the fork strategy for you..........

;From PsYkO
:COME ON GUYS!! we are only getting like 3-5 people in each of our practices =/ WE need to become more of a team..
:Please everyone put these messages into your instant chats
:MAKE A HOLE FOR ME!
:I'M MAKING A HOLE!
:If it is 3v1 which a lot of times it will be..if we make a good hole it is like 99% chance that we will win..Especially that there are some VERY good defenses that we will be playing
:Maz, lacka, and nemo are very difficult to get into but it cane be done
:However, radian on fe overlaps his wall for the first couple of minutes making it impossible to get in...These are the kind of defenses that we need to put our "morals" aside and hole 'em!!

;from 2020
:agree with psyko about getting together, messages, and using torps effectively... see suggestions below about practice... oh, and remember if this luci-type organisation goes to pot, keep 9pm gmt 15th sat in your diary free just in case... see [[FUN -- all in one day]]

;from 2020
:GMT does not mean time at greenwich, since daylight saving screws things up. So, 9pm GMT means 10pm on mainland britain from spring to autumn... not sure what this means to everyone else...

;featherfcuk
:The timeout has to have some rules. Team Something Something called timeout because PsYkO left, but nobody noticed. Timeouts should only be allowed when a key player leaves without a word or if there's a bad mixup in the lineup, like when we change teams and change back to move in the lineup but get stuck in the other team.

;madmax
:I can't play on Saturday 22:00GMT... :S

Anarchic wanderers

2006-04-06T03:21:24Z

Ghableska: /* strategy experiments */

[[Image:anarchic.jpg]] 
We are evolving. Originally, the Anarchic Wanderers was merely a list of players who wanted to shadowbox fe-clan. Hence, it is not a clan. We managed one game; read about it [[6.3.8.0.5|here]].

We are now at the stage of setting up [[THE SPOON]] tournament. Get involved in the discussion and promote what appeals to you.

Trying to orchastrate a game is a bit tricky... I like the idea of getting together through something like Skype so we can speak together and type if necessary, plan times and strategy even. A current plan is to practice on Z-man's SPOON fortress server, to see if we can experiment with some new launches and things...

Names are presented below, but this has changed and may change again... invite whoever... and presumably at some stage, probably on the day, we decide amoungst the players who attend...

==strategy experiments==
I would like to try out different launches other than the standard pencil grind where everyone grinds to centre and encounter the enemy at the impact zone roughly in the middle of the arena.
;regular game play
[[Image:gameplay.jpg]]
;the fork
: 3 grind right almost immediate, 3 left, and only 2 go straight.
[[Image:fork1.jpg|center]]
: 3 are needed to pick up enough speed. What they do depends on many factors. Perhaps they want to attack, perhaps double back and defend. But to start, play around with the option of the centre two being defence. Perhaps they split either way, create a little wall, perhaps they double back and maze to defend the zone... who knows....

;Recording gameplay..
:Hey what do you guys think if one of us gets a screen recorder and records some of our matches or in CVS fortress? Like I would start recording in CVS if I was middle and post to show how much pwnidge I am at mid :PPPPPPPP
: But yeh..what joo guys think about recording our matches?
:2020: yeah... i don't mind recording... but what's the point... we all going to look at the games and suggest new strategies... hehehe
: ghableska I'm a bit confused. To record, you go to the AA Record, but where are the files saved, and what program do you use to open the recordings?

==who and why==
;PsYkO
:'''MUAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH''' =_+
;2020
:I want to practice some strategies at the team level... new launches... new ways of breaking... and see if there are some flank tactics or pair tactics that may emerge...
:Started working, so restricted playtime :( ... tell me when and where...
:Skype me: Fidocancan
;MaZuffeR
:Why? Why not. ;)
:Avaible almost always, preferred times between 4pm and 11pm GMT.
;Lackadaisical
:Because playing against the people here/people in fe is better than playing against random people.
:Playing whenever, but not always under this name, I guess i'm mostly available between 18PM-01AM GMT
;ghableska
:Same explanation as MaZ. In addition, it's fun and good practice.
:Weekdays are a bit iffy, but on weekends, I'm fine with 8pm GMT to whenever....
:Skype me: ghableska
;[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]]
:Why? To have fun of course :)
:Times between 12AM and 4AM GMT are the ones I prefer. I have no skype, you can find me over [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat IRC] on irc://freenode.org on the #armagetron channel, or just /msg me with my regular nick.
:In case MBC is involved in the fight... well, I guess I'll fight for them :)
;Vanhayes
:Because I Like Fortress, and want to take on the clans, eh.
:Usually availible between 4 pm and 9pm GMT-4, eh.
;Featherfcuk
:Because I'm a damn addict and I want a stronger fix. Also, I'm tired of the same strategy and would like to try something new..
:Available: usually always.
;madmax
:For the fun of playing with good players, and against good players. Not some messy random CVS game.
:Usually free from 17:00 GMT and 0:00 GMT, on weekends, 2:00 GMT, or something like that. =)
;TBL
:Jeffery Lebowski aka "The Dude", Venice Beach, Los Angeles, CA
:The Dude is not the kind of man that likes being tied down, so clans are a no go. Losely based teams however are fine.
:The Dude also enjoys talking about him self in 3rd person, bowling, acid flashbacks and driving around.
:The Dude is also available around evening GMT times, and fortress is his preferred fix.

== '''Message''' ==

;From Van
: ok this page was getting a little too messy so from now on would anyone who wants to post a messege use the talk page.
:To use talk page click on [http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Anarchic_wanderers Discussion] at very top of this page, where I have moved the previous messages, Thank you.

== Planned matches ==
'''If Anyone has problems with any times plz post on talk page.'''

:'''Knights of Ni''': on Saturday April 8, at 2200 gmt.

:'''MBC''':Possibly Sunday april 9, 6:00 pm CDT which is (I think) 8:00 GMT

:'''FE''':

:'''Crazy Tronners''':

:'''Lobster Mafia''':

:'''~"XzL.Accel Clan''':

== PRACTICE TIMES ==
;O.K times will be every tuesday and thursday at 8 pm or 20 00 GMT (that's 9pm if you are living in UK due to summertime lightsaving rubbish...)
:if anyone has problem with these times or days plz post a good time for you here and we will work on it:

== The Spoon Game History ==
'''''History of matches and comments on them posted here'''''
===6.4.5.21.0===
;van
:Something Something (??)- beat us 2-0 of best outa 3 matches, close ones but WD to them

;ghableska
:We had a match against the SomethingSomething team today. And we lost. It's very easy to see the difference when you play games on CVS and here. The games were much tougher and intense. I hope that our team can get a strategy soon, or else......

;2020
:Crazy game... stress was huge... I played ok, but didn't feel good at any time apart from keeping maz back for ages during one round; the only time I felt really useful... An interesting idea that came up was feather's Time-out, but I think we have to wait before introducing this.... I think the rules should be firm: play the best of 3 straight through... no excuses. I mean, Psyko disappeared near the end of the first game, which threw me, and then reappeared at the start of the next... if this happens... we just have to play through.... Anyhoooo -- great game, loved it... bring it on...

;Lackadaisical [??]
:Yeah, the timeout thing was a bit hazy, it would be better if we had talked about it before the game took place, but oh well, better luck next time. I really think we should make the play offs a best of five, since this was a bit too short imho (quote someone: 'i finally warmed up, 2 matches too late'). Pavelo made a (debug) recording, its 4.2 megs packed, but i'm not sure if/when he's going to put them online. Good games, hope to see you in the playoffs.

==previous games==
We've had one, against fe-clan: [[6.3.8.0.5]].

Anarchic wanderers

2006-04-06T03:21:06Z

Ghableska: /* strategy experiments */

[[Image:anarchic.jpg]] 
We are evolving. Originally, the Anarchic Wanderers was merely a list of players who wanted to shadowbox fe-clan. Hence, it is not a clan. We managed one game; read about it [[6.3.8.0.5|here]].

We are now at the stage of setting up [[THE SPOON]] tournament. Get involved in the discussion and promote what appeals to you.

Trying to orchastrate a game is a bit tricky... I like the idea of getting together through something like Skype so we can speak together and type if necessary, plan times and strategy even. A current plan is to practice on Z-man's SPOON fortress server, to see if we can experiment with some new launches and things...

Names are presented below, but this has changed and may change again... invite whoever... and presumably at some stage, probably on the day, we decide amoungst the players who attend...

==strategy experiments==
I would like to try out different launches other than the standard pencil grind where everyone grinds to centre and encounter the enemy at the impact zone roughly in the middle of the arena.
;regular game play
[[Image:gameplay.jpg]]
;the fork
: 3 grind right almost immediate, 3 left, and only 2 go straight.
[[Image:fork1.jpg|center]]
: 3 are needed to pick up enough speed. What they do depends on many factors. Perhaps they want to attack, perhaps double back and defend. But to start, play around with the option of the centre two being defence. Perhaps they split either way, create a little wall, perhaps they double back and maze to defend the zone... who knows....

;Recording gameplay..
:Hey what do you guys think if one of us gets a screen recorder and records some of our matches or in CVS fortress? Like I would start recording in CVS if I was middle and post to show how much pwnidge I am at mid :PPPPPPPP
: But yeh..what joo guys think about recording our matches?
:2020: yeah... i don't mind recording... but what's the point... we all going to look at the games and suggest new strategies... hehehe
:ghableska I'm a bit confused. To record, you go to the AA Record, but where are the files saved, and what program do you use to open the recordings?

==who and why==
;PsYkO
:'''MUAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH''' =_+
;2020
:I want to practice some strategies at the team level... new launches... new ways of breaking... and see if there are some flank tactics or pair tactics that may emerge...
:Started working, so restricted playtime :( ... tell me when and where...
:Skype me: Fidocancan
;MaZuffeR
:Why? Why not. ;)
:Avaible almost always, preferred times between 4pm and 11pm GMT.
;Lackadaisical
:Because playing against the people here/people in fe is better than playing against random people.
:Playing whenever, but not always under this name, I guess i'm mostly available between 18PM-01AM GMT
;ghableska
:Same explanation as MaZ. In addition, it's fun and good practice.
:Weekdays are a bit iffy, but on weekends, I'm fine with 8pm GMT to whenever....
:Skype me: ghableska
;[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]]
:Why? To have fun of course :)
:Times between 12AM and 4AM GMT are the ones I prefer. I have no skype, you can find me over [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat IRC] on irc://freenode.org on the #armagetron channel, or just /msg me with my regular nick.
:In case MBC is involved in the fight... well, I guess I'll fight for them :)
;Vanhayes
:Because I Like Fortress, and want to take on the clans, eh.
:Usually availible between 4 pm and 9pm GMT-4, eh.
;Featherfcuk
:Because I'm a damn addict and I want a stronger fix. Also, I'm tired of the same strategy and would like to try something new..
:Available: usually always.
;madmax
:For the fun of playing with good players, and against good players. Not some messy random CVS game.
:Usually free from 17:00 GMT and 0:00 GMT, on weekends, 2:00 GMT, or something like that. =)
;TBL
:Jeffery Lebowski aka "The Dude", Venice Beach, Los Angeles, CA
:The Dude is not the kind of man that likes being tied down, so clans are a no go. Losely based teams however are fine.
:The Dude also enjoys talking about him self in 3rd person, bowling, acid flashbacks and driving around.
:The Dude is also available around evening GMT times, and fortress is his preferred fix.

== '''Message''' ==

;From Van
: ok this page was getting a little too messy so from now on would anyone who wants to post a messege use the talk page.
:To use talk page click on [http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Anarchic_wanderers Discussion] at very top of this page, where I have moved the previous messages, Thank you.

== Planned matches ==
'''If Anyone has problems with any times plz post on talk page.'''

:'''Knights of Ni''': on Saturday April 8, at 2200 gmt.

:'''MBC''':Possibly Sunday april 9, 6:00 pm CDT which is (I think) 8:00 GMT

:'''FE''':

:'''Crazy Tronners''':

:'''Lobster Mafia''':

:'''~"XzL.Accel Clan''':

== PRACTICE TIMES ==
;O.K times will be every tuesday and thursday at 8 pm or 20 00 GMT (that's 9pm if you are living in UK due to summertime lightsaving rubbish...)
:if anyone has problem with these times or days plz post a good time for you here and we will work on it:

== The Spoon Game History ==
'''''History of matches and comments on them posted here'''''
===6.4.5.21.0===
;van
:Something Something (??)- beat us 2-0 of best outa 3 matches, close ones but WD to them

;ghableska
:We had a match against the SomethingSomething team today. And we lost. It's very easy to see the difference when you play games on CVS and here. The games were much tougher and intense. I hope that our team can get a strategy soon, or else......

;2020
:Crazy game... stress was huge... I played ok, but didn't feel good at any time apart from keeping maz back for ages during one round; the only time I felt really useful... An interesting idea that came up was feather's Time-out, but I think we have to wait before introducing this.... I think the rules should be firm: play the best of 3 straight through... no excuses. I mean, Psyko disappeared near the end of the first game, which threw me, and then reappeared at the start of the next... if this happens... we just have to play through.... Anyhoooo -- great game, loved it... bring it on...

;Lackadaisical [??]
:Yeah, the timeout thing was a bit hazy, it would be better if we had talked about it before the game took place, but oh well, better luck next time. I really think we should make the play offs a best of five, since this was a bit too short imho (quote someone: 'i finally warmed up, 2 matches too late'). Pavelo made a (debug) recording, its 4.2 megs packed, but i'm not sure if/when he's going to put them online. Good games, hope to see you in the playoffs.

==previous games==
We've had one, against fe-clan: [[6.3.8.0.5]].

Anarchic wanderers

2006-04-06T03:18:27Z

Ghableska: /* 6.4.5.21.0 */

[[Image:anarchic.jpg]] 
We are evolving. Originally, the Anarchic Wanderers was merely a list of players who wanted to shadowbox fe-clan. Hence, it is not a clan. We managed one game; read about it [[6.3.8.0.5|here]].

We are now at the stage of setting up [[THE SPOON]] tournament. Get involved in the discussion and promote what appeals to you.

Trying to orchastrate a game is a bit tricky... I like the idea of getting together through something like Skype so we can speak together and type if necessary, plan times and strategy even. A current plan is to practice on Z-man's SPOON fortress server, to see if we can experiment with some new launches and things...

Names are presented below, but this has changed and may change again... invite whoever... and presumably at some stage, probably on the day, we decide amoungst the players who attend...

==strategy experiments==
I would like to try out different launches other than the standard pencil grind where everyone grinds to centre and encounter the enemy at the impact zone roughly in the middle of the arena.
;regular game play
[[Image:gameplay.jpg]]
;the fork
: 3 grind right almost immediate, 3 left, and only 2 go straight.
[[Image:fork1.jpg|center]]
: 3 are needed to pick up enough speed. What they do depends on many factors. Perhaps they want to attack, perhaps double back and defend. But to start, play around with the option of the centre two being defence. Perhaps they split either way, create a little wall, perhaps they double back and maze to defend the zone... who knows....

;Recording gameplay..
:Hey what do you guys think if one of us gets a screen recorder and records some of our matches or in CVS fortress? Like I would start recording in CVS if I was middle and post to show how much pwnidge I am at mid :PPPPPPPP
: But yeh..what joo guys think about recording our matches?
:2020: yeah... i don't mind recording... but what's the point... we all going to look at the games and suggest new strategies... hehehe

==who and why==
;PsYkO
:'''MUAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH''' =_+
;2020
:I want to practice some strategies at the team level... new launches... new ways of breaking... and see if there are some flank tactics or pair tactics that may emerge...
:Started working, so restricted playtime :( ... tell me when and where...
:Skype me: Fidocancan
;MaZuffeR
:Why? Why not. ;)
:Avaible almost always, preferred times between 4pm and 11pm GMT.
;Lackadaisical
:Because playing against the people here/people in fe is better than playing against random people.
:Playing whenever, but not always under this name, I guess i'm mostly available between 18PM-01AM GMT
;ghableska
:Same explanation as MaZ. In addition, it's fun and good practice.
:Weekdays are a bit iffy, but on weekends, I'm fine with 8pm GMT to whenever....
:Skype me: ghableska
;[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]]
:Why? To have fun of course :)
:Times between 12AM and 4AM GMT are the ones I prefer. I have no skype, you can find me over [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat IRC] on irc://freenode.org on the #armagetron channel, or just /msg me with my regular nick.
:In case MBC is involved in the fight... well, I guess I'll fight for them :)
;Vanhayes
:Because I Like Fortress, and want to take on the clans, eh.
:Usually availible between 4 pm and 9pm GMT-4, eh.
;Featherfcuk
:Because I'm a damn addict and I want a stronger fix. Also, I'm tired of the same strategy and would like to try something new..
:Available: usually always.
;madmax
:For the fun of playing with good players, and against good players. Not some messy random CVS game.
:Usually free from 17:00 GMT and 0:00 GMT, on weekends, 2:00 GMT, or something like that. =)
;TBL
:Jeffery Lebowski aka "The Dude", Venice Beach, Los Angeles, CA
:The Dude is not the kind of man that likes being tied down, so clans are a no go. Losely based teams however are fine.
:The Dude also enjoys talking about him self in 3rd person, bowling, acid flashbacks and driving around.
:The Dude is also available around evening GMT times, and fortress is his preferred fix.

== '''Message''' ==

;From Van
: ok this page was getting a little too messy so from now on would anyone who wants to post a messege use the talk page.
:To use talk page click on [http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Anarchic_wanderers Discussion] at very top of this page, where I have moved the previous messages, Thank you.

== Planned matches ==
'''If Anyone has problems with any times plz post on talk page.'''

:'''Knights of Ni''': on Saturday April 8, at 2200 gmt.

:'''MBC''':Possibly Sunday april 9, 6:00 pm CDT which is (I think) 8:00 GMT

:'''FE''':

:'''Crazy Tronners''':

:'''Lobster Mafia''':

:'''~"XzL.Accel Clan''':

== PRACTICE TIMES ==
;O.K times will be every tuesday and thursday at 8 pm or 20 00 GMT (that's 9pm if you are living in UK due to summertime lightsaving rubbish...)
:if anyone has problem with these times or days plz post a good time for you here and we will work on it:

== The Spoon Game History ==
'''''History of matches and comments on them posted here'''''
===6.4.5.21.0===
;van
:Something Something (??)- beat us 2-0 of best outa 3 matches, close ones but WD to them

;ghableska
:We had a match against the SomethingSomething team today. And we lost. It's very easy to see the difference when you play games on CVS and here. The games were much tougher and intense. I hope that our team can get a strategy soon, or else......

;2020
:Crazy game... stress was huge... I played ok, but didn't feel good at any time apart from keeping maz back for ages during one round; the only time I felt really useful... An interesting idea that came up was feather's Time-out, but I think we have to wait before introducing this.... I think the rules should be firm: play the best of 3 straight through... no excuses. I mean, Psyko disappeared near the end of the first game, which threw me, and then reappeared at the start of the next... if this happens... we just have to play through.... Anyhoooo -- great game, loved it... bring it on...

;Lackadaisical [??]
:Yeah, the timeout thing was a bit hazy, it would be better if we had talked about it before the game took place, but oh well, better luck next time. I really think we should make the play offs a best of five, since this was a bit too short imho (quote someone: 'i finally warmed up, 2 matches too late'). Pavelo made a (debug) recording, its 4.2 megs packed, but i'm not sure if/when he's going to put them online. Good games, hope to see you in the playoffs.

==previous games==
We've had one, against fe-clan: [[6.3.8.0.5]].

Anarchic wanderers

2006-04-05T21:42:41Z

Ghableska: /* PRACTICE TIMES */

[[Image:anarchic.jpg]] 
We are evolving. Originally, the Anarchic Wanderers was merely a list of players who wanted to shadowbox fe-clan. Hence, it is not a clan. We managed one game; read about it [[6.3.8.0.5|here]].

We are now at the stage of setting up [[THE SPOON]] tournament. Get involved in the discussion and promote what appeals to you.

Trying to orchastrate a game is a bit tricky... I like the idea of getting together through something like Skype so we can speak together and type if necessary, plan times and strategy even. A current plan is to practice on Z-man's SPOON fortress server, to see if we can experiment with some new launches and things...

Names are presented below, but this has changed and may change again... invite whoever... and presumably at some stage, probably on the day, we decide amoungst the players who attend...

==strategy experiments==
I would like to try out different launches other than the standard pencil grind where everyone grinds to centre and encounter the enemy at the impact zone roughly in the middle of the arena.
;regular game play
[[Image:gameplay.jpg]]
;the fork
: 3 grind right almost immediate, 3 left, and only 2 go straight.
[[Image:fork1.jpg|center]]
: 3 are needed to pick up enough speed. What they do depends on many factors. Perhaps they want to attack, perhaps double back and defend. But to start, play around with the option of the centre two being defence. Perhaps they split either way, create a little wall, perhaps they double back and maze to defend the zone... who knows....

;Recording gameplay..
:Hey what do you guys think if one of us gets a screen recorder and records some of our matches or in CVS fortress? Like I would start recording in CVS if I was middle and post to show how much pwnidge I am at mid :PPPPPPPP
: But yeh..what joo guys think about recording our matches?
:2020: yeah... i don't mind recording... but what's the point... we all going to look at the games and suggest new strategies... hehehe

==who and why==
;PsYkO
:'''MUAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH''' =_+
;2020
:I want to practice some strategies at the team level... new launches... new ways of breaking... and see if there are some flank tactics or pair tactics that may emerge...
:Started working, so restricted playtime :( ... tell me when and where...
:Skype me: Fidocancan
;MaZuffeR
:Why? Why not. ;)
:Avaible almost always, preferred times between 4pm and 11pm GMT.
;Lackadaisical
:Because playing against the people here/people in fe is better than playing against random people.
:Playing whenever, but not always under this name, I guess i'm mostly available between 18PM-01AM GMT
;ghableska
:Same explanation as MaZ. In addition, it's fun and good practice.
:Weekdays are a bit iffy, but on weekends, I'm fine with 8pm GMT to whenever....
:Skype me: ghableska
;[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]]
:Why? To have fun of course :)
:Times between 12AM and 4AM GMT are the ones I prefer. I have no skype, you can find me over [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat IRC] on irc://freenode.org on the #armagetron channel, or just /msg me with my regular nick.
:In case MBC is involved in the fight... well, I guess I'll fight for them :)
;Vanhayes
:Because I Like Fortress, and want to take on the clans, eh.
:Usually availible between 4 pm and 9pm GMT-4, eh.
;Featherfcuk
:Because I'm a damn addict and I want a stronger fix. Also, I'm tired of the same strategy and would like to try something new..
:Available: usually always.
;madmax
:For the fun of playing with good players, and against good players. Not some messy random CVS game.
:Usually free from 17:00 GMT and 0:00 GMT, on weekends, 2:00 GMT, or something like that. =)
;TBL
:Jeffery Lebowski aka "The Dude", Venice Beach, Los Angeles, CA
:The Dude is not the kind of man that likes being tied down, so clans are a no go. Losely based teams however are fine.
:The Dude also enjoys talking about him self in 3rd person, bowling, acid flashbacks and driving around.
:The Dude is also available around evening GMT times, and fortress is his preferred fix.

==team messages==

;This is from PsYkO
:garisimo and 127.0.0.1 are in but neither are signed up on armagetronad.net...pyrotek might also be in

;This is from '''your dad'''
:I am in in in baby lets fuck the clanners in the ass!!! email me '''garisimo@aol.com''' ...I also have skype (garisimo)
:see ya in fortress kids!

;from PsYkO
:I want to play vs MBC..

;From Van
:O ya I think we should know who actually reads this and/or who stills plays so plz put your name here if u are on The Spoon team.And please dont put someone elses name here for them because this would defeat the purpose of this message.
Vanhayes, 2020, featherfcuk,Madmax, ghableska

;From Lack (Team SS)
:Hey, i am trying to play games the way luci wants to, so it would be cool if we could arrange a match sometime. We had a practice match with knights of ni yesterday and that worked out fine. I was thinking of some weekday between 1800 and 2200 GMT, perhaps even this week. I'll keep an eye on this page to see your response.

;From TBL
:Hey guys i was there at 1200 gmt but no one else was....

;From Van
:We have a match set for wendsday april 5 At 9:00 pm GMT, against team something something.So if u can make it plz come to Z-man's Spoon fortress.
:2020 check,

;From PsYkO
: HURR

;From featherfcuk
:Shit.. I forgot to check the Wiki this morning, and I just missed the damn practice :( sry.. i :thought it would be later tonight, I'll make the next one, I swear on my penis.

;from 2020
:be sure to check out the other team's pages, as i think feather has done already... it shows the style of the teams and how they are organised... quite funny really... ours looks like... well... we are called anarchist for a reason... heheheh....

;gArIsImO
: I was not aware of practice...sorry I don't check this site that often since I don't dispose of too much time with my daughter on my lap all the time. But I am for Practices anytime!

;PsYkO
: Hey guys, since me and Hayez0rz are admins...can you all please post your e-mail accounts and I will send mass emails for practices, matches, etc.

Van- lamb--chop@hotmail.com /
2020@davidpinto.org /
feather - eirikurj@gmail.com /
madmax.ptz@gmail.com
ghab - ghableska@gmail.com/
garisimo@aol.com/

;featherfcuk
:I posted a strategy form.. this is just to show you how we can display strategies. 2020: if you want I can make the fork strategy for you..........

;From PsYkO
:COME ON GUYS!! we are only getting like 3-5 people in each of our practices =/ WE need to become more of a team..
:Please everyone put these messages into your instant chats
:MAKE A HOLE FOR ME!
:I'M MAKING A HOLE!
:If it is 3v1 which a lot of times it will be..if we make a good hole it is like 99% chance that we will win..Especially that there are some VERY good defenses that we will be playing
:Maz, lacka, and nemo are very difficult to get into but it cane be done
:However, radian on fe overlaps his wall for the first couple of minutes making it impossible to get in...These are the kind of defenses that we need to put our "morals" aside and hole 'em!!

;from 2020
:agree with psyko about getting together, messages, and using torps effectively... see suggestions below about practice... oh, and remember if this luci-type organisation goes to pot, keep 9pm gmt 15th sat in your diary free just in case... see [[FUN -- all in one day]]

;from 2020
:GMT does not mean time at greenwich, since daylight saving screws things up. So, 9pm GMT means 10pm on mainland britain from spring to autumn... not sure what this means to everyone else...

== PRACTICE TIMES ==
;April 4 :10:00 pm GMT will practice def, starting,and most basics At Z-man's Spoon fortress
:interesting... Practiced 1v1, which is pretty tough against the guy who rings inside his def leaving no gap... Started to play around with a dynamic double-defence... the trouble is, we keep crashing into our own mazes... One thing to think about: with a dynamic defence, try chasing the tail of the other person... that's the only difference between lone defence and doing it with another... and the tendency is to maze a little while doing so...
:An interesting idea for next time: 2v2. If we have a full team, we can play 4v4, letting two attackers through to do a double 2v2 practice. The game is to win teh zone the fastest. I think teamwork might be useful: breaking past the first line of def, then holing, then allowing one dude into the enemy zone in a good position. If they don't go do torpedo, then it will take a while. First to take the zone win, the first def team to kill their attackers wins the competition between def. That is, it is a competition between two sets of attackers, and a competition between two pairs of defenders...
;April 5 :8:00 pm GMT will just warm up before match against something something

ghableska: We had a match against the SomethingSomething team today. And we lost. It's very easy to see the difference when you play games on CVS and here. The games were much tougher and intense. I hope that our team can get a strategy.

== The Spoon Game History ==
none yet

==previous games==
We've had one, against fe-clan: [[6.3.8.0.5]].

Anarchic wanderers

2006-04-05T20:29:08Z

Ghableska: /* team messages */

[[Image:anarchic.jpg]] 
We are evolving. Originally, the Anarchic Wanderers was merely a list of players who wanted to shadowbox fe-clan. Hence, it is not a clan. We managed one game; read about it [[6.3.8.0.5|here]].

We are now at the stage of setting up [[THE SPOON]] tournament. Get involved in the discussion and promote what appeals to you.

Trying to orchastrate a game is a bit tricky... I like the idea of getting together through something like Skype so we can speak together and type if necessary, plan times and strategy even. A current plan is to practice on Z-man's SPOON fortress server, to see if we can experiment with some new launches and things...

Names are presented below, but this has changed and may change again... invite whoever... and presumably at some stage, probably on the day, we decide amoungst the players who attend...

==strategy experiments==
I would like to try out different launches other than the standard pencil grind where everyone grinds to centre and encounter the enemy at the impact zone roughly in the middle of the arena.
;regular game play
[[Image:gameplay.jpg]]
;the fork
: 3 grind right almost immediate, 3 left, and only 2 go straight.
[[Image:fork1.jpg|center]]
: 3 are needed to pick up enough speed. What they do depends on many factors. Perhaps they want to attack, perhaps double back and defend. But to start, play around with the option of the centre two being defence. Perhaps they split either way, create a little wall, perhaps they double back and maze to defend the zone... who knows....

;Recording gameplay..
:Hey what do you guys think if one of us gets a screen recorder and records some of our matches or in CVS fortress? Like I would start recording in CVS if I was middle and post to show how much pwnidge I am at mid :PPPPPPPP
: But yeh..what joo guys think about recording our matches?
:2020: yeah... i don't mind recording... but what's the point... we all going to look at the games and suggest new strategies... hehehe

==who and why==
;PsYkO
:'''MUAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH''' =_+
;2020
:I want to practice some strategies at the team level... new launches... new ways of breaking... and see if there are some flank tactics or pair tactics that may emerge...
:Started working, so restricted playtime :( ... tell me when and where...
:Skype me: Fidocancan
;MaZuffeR
:Why? Why not. ;)
:Avaible almost always, preferred times between 4pm and 11pm GMT.
;Lackadaisical
:Because playing against the people here/people in fe is better than playing against random people.
:Playing whenever, but not always under this name, I guess i'm mostly available between 18PM-01AM GMT
;ghableska
:Same explanation as MaZ. In addition, it's fun and good practice.
:Weekdays are a bit iffy, but on weekends, I'm fine with 8pm GMT to whenever....
:Skype me: ghableska
;[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]]
:Why? To have fun of course :)
:Times between 12AM and 4AM GMT are the ones I prefer. I have no skype, you can find me over [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat IRC] on irc://freenode.org on the #armagetron channel, or just /msg me with my regular nick.
:In case MBC is involved in the fight... well, I guess I'll fight for them :)
;Vanhayes
:Because I Like Fortress, and want to take on the clans, eh.
:Usually availible between 4 pm and 9pm GMT-4, eh.
;Featherfcuk
:Because I'm a damn addict and I want a stronger fix. Also, I'm tired of the same strategy and would like to try something new..
:Available: usually always.
;madmax
:For the fun of playing with good players, and against good players. Not some messy random CVS game.
:Usually free from 17:00 GMT and 0:00 GMT, on weekends, 2:00 GMT, or something like that. =)
;TBL
:Jeffery Lebowski aka "The Dude", Venice Beach, Los Angeles, CA
:The Dude is not the kind of man that likes being tied down, so clans are a no go. Losely based teams however are fine.
:The Dude also enjoys talking about him self in 3rd person, bowling, acid flashbacks and driving around.
:The Dude is also available around evening GMT times, and fortress is his preferred fix.

==team messages==

;This is from PsYkO
:garisimo and 127.0.0.1 are in but neither are signed up on armagetronad.net...pyrotek might also be in

;This is from '''your dad'''
:I am in in in baby lets fuck the clanners in the ass!!! email me '''garisimo@aol.com''' ...I also have skype (garisimo)
:see ya in fortress kids!

;from PsYkO
:I want to play vs MBC..

;From Van
:O ya I think we should know who actually reads this and/or who stills plays so plz put your name here if u are on The Spoon team.And please dont put someone elses name here for them because this would defeat the purpose of this message.
Vanhayes, 2020, featherfcuk,Madmax, ghableska

;From Lack (Team SS)
:Hey, i am trying to play games the way luci wants to, so it would be cool if we could arrange a match sometime. We had a practice match with knights of ni yesterday and that worked out fine. I was thinking of some weekday between 1800 and 2200 GMT, perhaps even this week. I'll keep an eye on this page to see your response.

;From TBL
:Hey guys i was there at 1200 gmt but no one else was....

;From Van
:We have a match set for wendsday april 5 At 9:00 pm GMT, against team something something.So if u can make it plz come to Z-man's Spoon fortress.
:2020 check,

;From PsYkO
: HURR

;From featherfcuk
:Shit.. I forgot to check the Wiki this morning, and I just missed the damn practice :( sry.. i :thought it would be later tonight, I'll make the next one, I swear on my penis.

;from 2020
:be sure to check out the other team's pages, as i think feather has done already... it shows the style of the teams and how they are organised... quite funny really... ours looks like... well... we are called anarchist for a reason... heheheh....

;gArIsImO
: I was not aware of practice...sorry I don't check this site that often since I don't dispose of too much time with my daughter on my lap all the time. But I am for Practices anytime!

;PsYkO
: Hey guys, since me and Hayez0rz are admins...can you all please post your e-mail accounts and I will send mass emails for practices, matches, etc.

Van- lamb--chop@hotmail.com /
2020@davidpinto.org /
feather - eirikurj@gmail.com /
madmax.ptz@gmail.com
ghab - ghableska@gmail.com/
garisimo@aol.com/

;featherfcuk
:I posted a strategy form.. this is just to show you how we can display strategies. 2020: if you want I can make the fork strategy for you..........

;From PsYkO
:COME ON GUYS!! we are only getting like 3-5 people in each of our practices =/ WE need to become more of a team..
:Please everyone put these messages into your instant chats
:MAKE A HOLE FOR ME!
:I'M MAKING A HOLE!
:If it is 3v1 which a lot of times it will be..if we make a good hole it is like 99% chance that we will win..Especially that there are some VERY good defenses that we will be playing
:Maz, lacka, and nemo are very difficult to get into but it cane be done
:However, radian on fe overlaps his wall for the first couple of minutes making it impossible to get in...These are the kind of defenses that we need to put our "morals" aside and hole 'em!!

;from 2020
:agree with psyko about getting together, messages, and using torps effectively... see suggestions below about practice... oh, and remember if this luci-type organisation goes to pot, keep 9pm gmt 15th sat in your diary free just in case... see [[FUN -- all in one day]]

== PRACTICE TIMES ==
;April 4 :10:00 pm GMT will practice def, starting,and most basics At Z-man's Spoon fortress
:interesting... Practiced 1v1, which is pretty tough against the guy who rings inside his def leaving no gap... Started to play around with a dynamic double-defence... the trouble is, we keep crashing into our own mazes... One thing to think about: with a dynamic defence, try chasing the tail of the other person... that's the only difference between lone defence and doing it with another... and the tendency is to maze a little while doing so...
:An interesting idea for next time: 2v2. If we have a full team, we can play 4v4, letting two attackers through to do a double 2v2 practice. The game is to win teh zone the fastest. I think teamwork might be useful: breaking past the first line of def, then holing, then allowing one dude into the enemy zone in a good position. If they don't go do torpedo, then it will take a while. First to take the zone win, the first def team to kill their attackers wins the competition between def. That is, it is a competition between two sets of attackers, and a competition between two pairs of defenders...
;April 5 :8:00 pm GMT will just warm up before match against something something

== The Spoon Game History ==
none yet

==previous games==
We've had one, against fe-clan: [[6.3.8.0.5]].

Anarchic wanderers

2006-04-05T03:04:35Z

Ghableska: /* team messages */

[[Image:anarchic.jpg]] 
We are evolving. Originally, the Anarchic Wanderers was merely a list of players who wanted to shadowbox fe-clan. Hence, it is not a clan. We managed one game; read about it [[6.3.8.0.5|here]].

We are now at the stage of setting up [[THE SPOON]] tournament. Get involved in the discussion and promote what appeals to you.

Trying to orchastrate a game is a bit tricky... I like the idea of getting together through something like Skype so we can speak together and type if necessary, plan times and strategy even. A current plan is to practice on Z-man's SPOON fortress server, to see if we can experiment with some new launches and things...

Names are presented below, but this has changed and may change again... invite whoever... and presumably at some stage, probably on the day, we decide amoungst the players who attend...

==strategy experiments==
I would like to try out different launches other than the standard pencil grind where everyone grinds to centre and encounter the enemy at the impact zone roughly in the middle of the arena.
;the fork
: 3 grind right almost immediate, 3 left, and only 2 go straight.
[[Image:fork1.jpg|center]] don't know how to post a piki...
: 3 are needed to pick up enough speed. What they do depends on many factors. Perhaps they want to attack, perhaps double back and defend. But to start, play around with the option of the centre two being defence. Perhaps they split either way, create a little wall, perhaps they double back and maze to defend the zone... who knows....

;Recording gameplay..
:Hey what do you guys think if one of us gets a screen recorder and records some of our matches or in CVS fortress? Like I would start recording in CVS if I was middle and post to show how much pwnidge I am at mid :PPPPPPPP
: But yeh..what joo guys think about recording our matches?

[[Image:gameplay.jpg]]

==who and why==
;PsYkO
:'''MUAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH''' =_+
;2020
:I want to practice some strategies at the team level... new launches... new ways of breaking... and see if there are some flank tactics or pair tactics that may emerge...
:Started working, so restricted playtime :( ... tell me when and where...
:Skype me: Fidocancan
;MaZuffeR
:Why? Why not. ;)
:Avaible almost always, preferred times between 4pm and 11pm GMT.
;Lackadaisical
:Because playing against the people here/people in fe is better than playing against random people.
:Playing whenever, but not always under this name, I guess i'm mostly available between 18PM-01AM GMT
;ghableska
:Same explanation as MaZ. In addition, it's fun and good practice.
:Weekdays are a bit iffy, but on weekends, I'm fine with 8pm GMT to whenever....
:Skype me: ghableska
;[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]]
:Why? To have fun of course :)
:Times between 12AM and 4AM GMT are the ones I prefer. I have no skype, you can find me over [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat IRC] on irc://freenode.org on the #armagetron channel, or just /msg me with my regular nick.
:In case MBC is involved in the fight... well, I guess I'll fight for them :)
;Vanhayes
:Because I Like Fortress, and want to take on the clans, eh.
:Usually availible between 4 pm and 9pm GMT-4, eh.
;Featherfcuk
:Because I'm a damn addict and I want a stronger fix. Also, I'm tired of the same strategy and would like to try something new..
:Available: usually always.
;madmax
:For the fun of playing with good players, and against good players. Not some messy random CVS game.
:Usually free from 17:00 GMT and 0:00 GMT, on weekends, 2:00 GMT, or something like that. =)
;TBL
:Jeffery Lebowski aka "The Dude", Venice Beach, Los Angeles, CA
:The Dude is not the kind of man that likes being tied down, so clans are a no go. Losely based teams however are fine.
:The Dude also enjoys talking about him self in 3rd person, bowling, acid flashbacks and driving around.
:The Dude is also available around evening GMT times, and fortress is his preferred fix.

==team messages==

;This is from PsYkO
:garisimo and 127.0.0.1 are in but neither are signed up on armagetronad.net...pyrotek might also be in

;This is from '''your dad'''
:I am in in in baby lets fuck the clanners in the ass!!! email me '''garisimo@aol.com''' ...I also have skype (garisimo)
:see ya in fortress kids!

;from 2020
:Not sure how the seeding will go... how games will be arranged... too complicated for me... so I've asked Psyko and Van to set up play-dates.

;from PsYkO
:I want to play vs MBC..

;From Van
:O ya I think we should know who actually reads this and/or who stills plays so plz put your name here if u are on The Spoon team.And please dont put someone elses name here for them because this would defeat the purpose of this message.
Vanhayes, 2020, featherfcuk,Madmax,

;from 2020
:can't do 8pm gmt 2nd april, will stick to 10pm gmt tuesday night practice... as for 15/16th: we are never going to get a date everyone is happy with... it just happens to be a month after 0.2.8.0 came out... remember this is just a backup in case luci's month-long thing collapses...

;From Lack (Team SS)
:Hey, i am trying to play games the way luci wants to, so it would be cool if we could arrange a match sometime. We had a practice match with knights of ni yesterday and that worked out fine. I was thinking of some weekday between 1800 and 2200 GMT, perhaps even this week. I'll keep an eye on this page to see your response.

;From TBL
:Hey guys i was there at 1200 gmt but no one else was....

;From Van
:We have a match set for wendsday april 5 At 9:00 pm GMT, against team something something.So if u can make it plz come to Z-man's Spoon fortress.
:2020 check,

;From PsYkO
: HURR

;From featherfcuk
:Shit.. I forgot to check the Wiki this morning, and I just missed the damn practice :( sry.. i :thought it would be later tonight, I'll make the next one, I swear on my penis.

;from 2020
:be sure to check out the other team's pages, as i think feather has done already... it shows the style of the teams and how they are organised... quite funny really... ours looks like... well... we are called anarchist for a reason... heheheh....

;gArIsImO
: I was not aware of practice...sorry I don't check this site that often since I don't dispose of too much time with my daughter on my lap all the time. But I am for Practices anytime!

;PsYkO
: Hey guys, since me and Hayez0rz are admins...can you all please post your e-mail accounts and I will send mass emails for practices, matches, etc.

Van- lamb--chop@hotmail.com /
2020@davidpinto.org /
feather - eirikurj@gmail.com /
madmax.ptz@gmail.com
ghab - ghableska@gmail.com/

;featherfcuk
:I posted a strategy form.. this is just to show you how we can display strategies. 2020: if you want I can make the fork strategy for you..........

;From PsYkO
:COME ON GUYS!! we are only getting like 3-5 people in each of our practices =/ WE need to become more of a team..
:Please everyone put these messages into your instant chats
:MAKE A HOLE FOR ME!
:I'M MAKING A HOLE!
:If it is 3v1 which a lot of times it will be..if we make a good hole it is like 99% chance that we will win..Especially that there are some VERY good defenses that we will be playing
:Maz, lacka, and nemo are very difficult to get into but it cane be done
:However, radian on fe overlaps his wall for the first couple of minutes making it impossible to get in...These are the kind of defenses that we need to put our "morals" aside and hole 'em!!

== PRACTICE TIMES ==
;April 4 :10:00 pm GMT will practice def, starting,and most basics At Z-man's Spoon fortress
:interesting... Practiced 1v1, which is pretty tough against the guy who rings inside his def leaving no gap... Started to play around with a dynamic double-defence... the trouble is, we keep crashing into our own mazes... One thing to think about: with a dynamic defence, try chasing the tail of the other person... that's the only difference between lone defence and doing it with another... and the tendency is to maze a little while doing so...
:An interesting idea for next time: 2v2. If we have a full team, we can play 4v4, letting two attackers through to do a double 2v2 practice. The game is to win teh zone the fastest. I think teamwork might be useful: breaking past the first line of def, then holing, then allowing one dude into the enemy zone in a good position. If they don't go do torpedo, then it will take a while. First to take the zone win, the first def team to kill their attackers wins the competition between def. That is, it is a competition between two sets of attackers, and a competition between two pairs of defenders...
;April 5 :8:00 pm GMT will just warm up before match against something something

== The Spoon Game History ==
none yet

==previous games==
We've had one, against fe-clan: [[6.3.8.0.5]].

Tronic

2006-03-18T23:07:27Z

Ghableska: /* timeline */

TRON International Competition: TRONICv1.2

=[[idealistic objective]]=
1,000,000 players in a year's time self-organising a tournament of Fortress to be held in one day, the champion team winning THE CUP and £16,000, with post-dated funding of server admin, programming-developers, and game-designers.

=meta: [[contributor's guidelines]]=
Since all pages on the wiki are editable, all contributions must be constructive and additive: alternative solutions are explored like the growing branches of a tree. Visitors are invited to contribute to to the expansion of any idea, comparing different branches of solutions. Arguments, contention, are conducted in forum, chatroom, or informally through PM's, emails, or telephoney eg skype. 
The overal structuring of this invitation follows the transition tree of Theory of Constraints, a process engineering tool; we may also want to use the process-management mechanisms followed by the developers, eg with version 0.2.7.1 replaced by 0.2.8, patch-programming and trunk modifications, and following open-source philosophy. 
Alternative steps to arriving at the idealistic objective are presented as alternatives on this page below. Clicking on any item or heading opens up a page which allows further elaboration, more precise definition, and more practical eventualities.

=timeline=
1 year: [[THE CUP]] 1,000,000 players, entry fee £1, primary problem: money-distribution 
6 months: [[THE BOWL]] 1,000 players, primary problems: credit-distribution, round-timing 
3 months: [[THE LADLE]] 100 players competition, primary problems: team registration, standardised fortress settings, team-pairing 
1 month: [[THE SPOON]] existing players self-organise with the current situation, primary problem:register name:

==15/16 April 2006==

There isn't much point in working out all the solutions for the final 1,000,000 player competition for obvious reasons. Players are encouraged to provide solutions for the current objective with a sense of the idealistic objective to make their solutions future-proof. That is, instead of merely producing a solution which can only work for 100 players, it is built to be able to deal with 100 players now, with the potential for the system to be extendable up to the final target. That is, the developmental process is organic.

=current realistic objective: [[THE SPOON]]=
Without changing any of the current settings, can a bunch of players organise themselves such that they have a great day on the 15/16th April. They must organise themselves into teams. They must decide on a day to play together. Teams must meet on an agreed server at an agreed time. The winning team wins the prestigious [[THE SPOON|SPOON]].

This experience may produce the following learning outcomes:
* it's fun
* high level of play: appreciation of individual skill and teamplay.
* highlight some of the technical difficulties with respect to PING and servers
* highlight the social problems of time-differential globally, registering of team-names, determining winners and losers, length of matches.
* bolster the confidence of players to organise themselves
* enable players to invite developers to provide solutions to improve gameplay and ease of use for the next competition: the even more prestigious [[THE LADLE| LADLE]].

=extras=
Although most of the idea is based on organising ourselves, inviting contributions, positive construction, agreeing on pragmatic systems, there's plenty of space for lighter topics.

==organise your teamgame here==
It may be useful to have some kind of [[Team List]]. Stick your name down, and then organise a game. 
Some organised games are presented below:
* [[anarchic wanderers]]... to give fe-clan a game sometime... one has been played already... more to come...?

==wordplay==
The title TRONIC is a [[working title]]. Feel free to suggest alternatives. 
The titles of the various competitions are also working titles. 
We may be familiar with jargon such as rubber, grind, grid, etc, and we can take this a step further by encouraging players to share their own [[favourite phrases]] or terms, eg woot, pwned, hold the line. 
You know the term slip-stream? The acceleration a lightcycle gains from its proximity to a light-trail works in a similar way; does grinding adequately convey this?

==ruminations==
Ideas, philosophy, personal and social; share your thoughts [[ruminations|here]]. 
If we encourage players to leave their thoughts here, ego may be left out of the self-organising required to achieve the idealistic objective 
If you are an Armagetron addict, have you wondered why, why you keep on playing game after game? How deep does this game go...?

==previous versions==
The original idea ([[TRONICv1]]) was presented to Wolverine, Ghableska, and Mazuffer through Skype in order encourage immediate feedback. Initial responses included disbelief, practical considerations, and enthusiasm. 
A week later, the same group met to discuss more details ([[TRONICv1.1]]). Responses included the formation of a network of developers, and the inherent importance of enabling uninterrupted playy. The group disbanded after serving its purpose, to initially receive the idea, and to open up the idea to the community in general. 
This version (TRONICv1.2) has so far not been condoned by the developers; it is purely player-led.

Team List

2006-03-11T17:52:34Z

Ghableska: /* mbc */

Feel free to contribute your name to the lists here. If it is a clan, then you have have the permission of the clan. Clan-leaders should check regularly since odd-bods might want to put their names on your list when they are not actually a member. 
And if you are not clan-affiliated, list yourself as a free radical in the anarchic wanderer list: when a match comes up, just organise yourselves then...

==fe-clan==

==mbc==

==Any other clans go here...==

Team List

2006-03-11T17:52:20Z

Ghableska:

Anarchic wanderers

2006-03-01T21:30:49Z

Ghableska: /* who and why */

This is not a clan. Just a bunch of players who are up for playing in a team against clans, since they are starting to organise practice sessions. In fact, some of the players are from different clans, so.... who cares...

Trying to orchastrate a game is a bit tricky... i like the idea of getting together through something like Skype so we can speak together and type if necessary, plan times and strategy even.

First, FE-clan are looking for practice, and I know a could of players who would like to give them a game. Stick your name here, times you are available generally, why you want to play them, etc. The section that follows the players is about when and where we play them...

==who and why==
;2020
:I want to practice some strategies at the team level... new launches... new ways of breaking... and see if there are some flank tactics or pair tactics that may emerge...
:Available most days and nights just now, though this may change at the drop of a hat... tell me when and where...
:Skype me: Fidocancan

;MaZuffeR
:Why? Why not. ;)
:Avaible almost always, preferred times between 4pm and 11pm GMT.

;ghableska
:Same explanation as MaZ. In addition, it's fun and good practice.
:Weekdays are a bit iffy, but on weekends, I'm fine with 8pm GMT to whenever....
:Skype me: ghableska

==where and when==
Sometime as soon as possible. Possibly this weekend... or how about Tue 7th March around 12 GMT midnight?

Anarchic wanderers

2006-03-01T21:30:00Z

Ghableska: /* who and why */

This is not a clan. Just a bunch of players who are up for playing in a team against clans, since they are starting to organise practice sessions. In fact, some of the players are from different clans, so.... who cares...

Trying to orchastrate a game is a bit tricky... i like the idea of getting together through something like Skype so we can speak together and type if necessary, plan times and strategy even.

First, FE-clan are looking for practice, and I know a could of players who would like to give them a game. Stick your name here, times you are available generally, why you want to play them, etc. The section that follows the players is about when and where we play them...

==who and why==
;2020
:I want to practice some strategies at the team level... new launches... new ways of breaking... and see if there are some flank tactics or pair tactics that may emerge...
:Available most days and nights just now, though this may change at the drop of a hat... tell me when and where...
:Skype me: Fidocancan

;MaZuffeR
:Why? Why not. ;)
:Avaible almost always, preferred times between 4pm and 11pm GMT.

;ghableska
:Same explanation as MaZ. In addition, it's fun and good practice.
:Weekdays are a bit iffy, but I'm fine with 8pm GMT to whenever....
:Skype me: ghableska

==where and when==
Sometime as soon as possible. Possibly this weekend... or how about Tue 7th March around 12 GMT midnight?

TRONICv1

2006-02-18T23:42:05Z

Ghableska: /* 2020 */

The first outlining of the idea and the responses different people had to it.

==2020==
I prepared this:
{|
<pre>
format for discussion:
idealistic notion
my motives are good, to be discussed another time perhaps
i am a teacher, and social artist
love the game
love to have more competition

the idea: more like an invitation
1,000,000 players in one tournament in one year's time of 0.2.8 release
played in one evening
£1 entry fee
some goes to developers: 200k
most goes to players: 600k
a little goes to service providers: 100k
and the rest to previous designers, film director, artistic director: 100k
or however we organise it...

who?
the game is super simple so it can be played by young and old
it is not kill kill kill, so it is open to everyone
there is scalability: skills are evident in individual players
teamplay: a good team can beat a collection of skilled individuals... maybe?
so
kids can test their quick reaction times
adults can use their temporal awareness to set traps
appeals to new kids on the block and a whole generation of guys who loved TRON

how?
mainly word of mouth
though with some concerted effort in promoting at various gaming venues...?
and then the interface with joe-public has to be super simple
less emphasis on clans, and more on team-formation, less technical-developmental, more play

when?
6 months: 1,000 player tournament
3 months: 100 player tournamnet
1 month: small informal tournament just to test it out

where?
dedicated servers: official i suppose... secure
and locals can host their own of course...

what?
noobs download the game free
play, encourage to set up their own moviepack
and register for worldcup
then
they will be invited to the earlier smaller tournament closer to the time
and they know they could make £16k that night from the game
oh yeah... if they are good enough

why?
the game is excellent
it is incredibly well designed
simple: only two keys minimum
beautifully elegant: acceleration due to proximity of trail
shares good design with chess and GO
difference is multiplayer: it is social, it is the virtual equivalent of football
and in the future virtual world of games, this could hold an important minimal place just like chess and GO, rather than what the developers are doing which is to play around with maps etc
that is: purify, distil it, faster, lower ping, increase teamplay

and why you guys?
i have played with you
and i like your attitudes
you are all different
and i wanted to test the idea with a variety of people
i didn't want to suggest this to people who are like me
or who are just nice
i think you are all strong independently minded people
with different personalities and ambitions etc
with at least one common interest:
playing armagetron

framework of idea:
social cohesion not engineering
the developers of the game have done the business
now as players can we do the same socially

necessary add-ons:
voice capacity
team choice
secure trusted servers for official games

so
what's next?
1
a few people who think yeah
this sounds good
2
these people thrash out some kind of provisional plan
3
we start rolling it out, invite others to join and take part
4
as well as an established interface for noobs with clear entry into the worldcup
first month will determine whether it works
if it does
we carry on...

important to recognise
it is voluntary
also
the thing about working with things
an artist and his stone or wood or paint or canvass
and engineer with his metal and stone
a scientist with his chemicals etc
is that the number of variables may be many but they are ultimately manageable and controllable
however
we are dealing with people and as such we don't want to control anyone
and there will by necessity be different ideas on how to do this
and we need to have a reasonable way of resolving differences

unlike writing the computer game itself
where there is something about efficiency, speed, economy of cpu time etc, elegance even
we don't have these external conditions, so it can get very baggy
hence the rigour: 1,000,000 in a year
to pull this off, we can't just arse about, and we can't just rely on our own tastes
we must accomodate as many people as possible
</pre>
|}

I cut it into sections, passed them through skype chat, and the others responded as we went along. Generally wolverine ghableska and mazuffer listened throughout and then said stuff at the end. 
I remember maz's response: 1,000,000 is impossible... hehhhe... which of course it isn't... though there is still a tiny chance. My first response to his was: 1000 in 6 months... to which he said: that should be possible. And then I went on to explain the meta-reason for such an idealistic objective: to inspire -- it has to be exciting enough for people to go... wouldn't that be cool... 1 miiiiiiiiiiillion players... in a year... wow! It kind of aligns people
and gives their contributions... parameters. 
Wolverine went into some detail regarding problems with money and time-syncing with different servers, and we discussed most of that through voice so i have no recording of this suffice to say it was exactly where i am blind: serious here-and-now practicalities. My initial response was to emphasise that I have no interest in money, but that I thought that the developers deserve something for all the fun I got out of the game, and I kind of like seeing skillful player rewarded for amazing skill. My second response is to leave most of those technical details for later once we have enough players who are interested in the idea and we start to learn the social skills to bring it about. This for me is the most important factor and something demonstrated so well by the developers: the ability to work together without a hierarchical structure or selling their time and skills to a business-company. (Albeit the developers have a slightly easier time of it since they are producing a thing, and confrontation of perspectives can be resolved through actually producing the most efficient code for example.) 
Ghab was enthusiastic and without him I think I would have just crumpled under the initial criticism -- this is not a criticism of the participants, it is merely a recognition that we are trained to be critical (you know... the dialectic, devil's advocate, scientific disproof). To my mind we apply this critical faculty too early which is another reason why the idealistic objective is presented first: if you like the idea then whatever objections you come up with makes you you want to come with the solutions rather than presenting them to another as if you have already been defeated by it. 
Anyhoo, these ideas and reasons are covered elsewhere on this wiki... [[contributor's guidelines]].. I think. 
In conclusion, I wanted to voice the idea to a few players and if they didn't like it I wouldn't have taken it further: we agreed to reconvene a week later to give everyone the chance to mull the idea over ([[TRONICv1.1]]). So my deepest gratitude to the people known as wolverine ghableska and mazuffer, and for the others who have shown interest but have not been able to afford the time yet to pursuing the idea further.

==wolverine==

==ghableska==
So far, I think I like what we are trying to accomplish. :-) I think that we can at least try, and if all else fails, we would have had fun trying the idea.

That's pretty much what I have to say.

P.S. /me looks at the length of 2020's post, then back to mine.

==mazuffer==

TRONICv1.1

2006-02-18T18:47:13Z

Ghableska: /* gahbleska */

Reconvening a week later...

==2020==
We opened with an invitation to discuss anything we had come up with. Only Wolverine had come up with two central ideas, and a third consideration. First she introduced the notion of a network of organisers, something like the developers of Armagetron, but more to do with faciliating the self-organising that players may do on their own. Second, dang there is no record of it on the chat since we were talking... perhaps something to do with authenticating players and teams... I hope Wolverine can remind me... oops. Her final contribution was quite sad... but it something sadly all too realistic. She couldn't handle the abuse. As we all know, the fortress can be pretty intimidating... blood starts pumping... nearing the 100 mark in a good match... the launch becomes important... and noobs enter and frustrations can run very high... and then of course there is the young-male rough-and-tumble play. My response to this is why I would like to emphasise team-play. If you are in a team of supporting players, then whatever the opposition say is whatever the opposition say. If we manage to organise teamplay, that is, teams we want to play in, then this should avoid many of the frustrations which players experience regularly.

Here's the thoughts I came up with before the meeting:
{|
<pre>
a wiki
with sections with alternative briefly described solutions
each with own page
all defined positively
with discussion occuring on the forum

sections like
the money aspect:
credit simulation with no money actually involved, as test run
percentage dispersal
organising the event:
times and servers all prebooked
self-organised in real time throughout evening
practicalities of event:
a round every 1/2hour give 1000 player 128 teams 3 hours with 64 simultaneous games in first 1/2hour
1/2 should give time for practice, familiarise with server, 2 practice rounds v opposition, and best of 5 perhaps
server solution:
copy cat of fixed cvs fortress settings
ping-solution board: to equate teams (solved by diff teams self-organising) or some automated thing
trusted server for later-games

TOC the entire project: tricky
set initial aim for ideal, future proofed solutions
attempt to do transition tree for 3 month competition: 100 players
invite constructive solutions; just like developers for game itself; perhaps borrow language: trunk etc
1month test to see what problems are etc but the basic model should be runable: trontastic
name? trontastic armagetronad armagetron

extras:
language: grind, rubber, etc, new word for brake, slang: eg zing, word for slipstream etc
</pre>
|}
And that's pretty much what the wiki looks like. The others liked the idea, and we agreed to dissemble the group, and everyone is invited to edit the wiki as they see fit. 
Again, thanks to Maz, Wolv, and Ghab for their input. My basic understanding is that we each of us have something to contribute; my blindness is one area is compensated for the vision by another. Just like a good team.

==wolverine==

==ghableska==

==mazuffer==

TRONICv1.1

2006-02-18T18:46:36Z

Ghableska: /* 2020 */

User:Ghableska

2006-02-18T18:18:02Z

Ghableska:

You have reached my page. Grats. Now get back to playing Armagetron!

TRONICv1

2006-02-18T18:16:54Z

Ghableska: /* ghableska */

The first outlining of the idea and the responses different people had to it.

==2020==
I prepared this:
{|
<pre>
format for discussion:
idealistic notion
my motives are good, to be discussed another time perhaps
i am a teacher, and social artist
love the game
love to have more competition

the idea: more like an invitation
1,000,000 players in one tournament in one year's time of 0.2.8 release
played in one evening
£1 entry fee
some goes to developers: 200k
most goes to players: 600k
a little goes to service providers: 100k
and the rest to previous designers, film director, artistic director: 100k
or however we organise it...

who?
the game is super simple so it can be played by young and old
it is not kill kill kill, so it is open to everyone
there is scalability: skills are evident in individual players
teamplay: a good team can beat a collection of skilled individuals... maybe?
so
kids can test their quick reaction times
adults can use their temporal awareness to set traps
appeals to new kids on the block and a whole generation of guys who loved TRON

how?
mainly word of mouth
though with some concerted effort in promoting at various gaming venues...?
and then the interface with joe-public has to be super simple
less emphasis on clans, and more on team-formation, less technical-developmental, more play

when?
6 months: 1,000 player tournament
3 months: 100 player tournamnet
1 month: small informal tournament just to test it out

where?
dedicated servers: official i suppose... secure
and locals can host their own of course...

what?
noobs download the game free
play, encourage to set up their own moviepack
and register for worldcup
then
they will be invited to the earlier smaller tournament closer to the time
and they know they could make £16k that night from the game
oh yeah... if they are good enough

why?
the game is excellent
it is incredibly well designed
simple: only two keys minimum
beautifully elegant: acceleration due to proximity of trail
shares good design with chess and GO
difference is multiplayer: it is social, it is the virtual equivalent of football
and in the future virtual world of games, this could hold an important minimal place just like chess and GO, rather than what the developers are doing which is to play around with maps etc
that is: purify, distil it, faster, lower ping, increase teamplay

and why you guys?
i have played with you
and i like your attitudes
you are all different
and i wanted to test the idea with a variety of people
i didn't want to suggest this to people who are like me
or who are just nice
i think you are all strong independently minded people
with different personalities and ambitions etc
with at least one common interest:
playing armagetron

framework of idea:
social cohesion not engineering
the developers of the game have done the business
now as players can we do the same socially

necessary add-ons:
voice capacity
team choice
secure trusted servers for official games

so
what's next?
1
a few people who think yeah
this sounds good
2
these people thrash out some kind of provisional plan
3
we start rolling it out, invite others to join and take part
4
as well as an established interface for noobs with clear entry into the worldcup
first month will determine whether it works
if it does
we carry on...

important to recognise
it is voluntary
also
the thing about working with things
an artist and his stone or wood or paint or canvass
and engineer with his metal and stone
a scientist with his chemicals etc
is that the number of variables may be many but they are ultimately manageable and controllable
however
we are dealing with people and as such we don't want to control anyone
and there will by necessity be different ideas on how to do this
and we need to have a reasonable way of resolving differences

unlike writing the computer game itself
where there is something about efficiency, speed, economy of cpu time etc, elegance even
we don't have these external conditions, so it can get very baggy
hence the rigour: 1,000,000 in a year
to pull this off, we can't just arse about, and we can't just rely on our own tastes
we must accomodate as many people as possible
</pre>
|}

I cut it into sections, passed them through skype chat, and the others responded as we went along. Generally wolverine ghableska and mazuffer listened throughout and then said stuff at the end. 
I remember maz's response: 1,000,000 is impossible... hehhhe... which of course it isn't... though there is still a tiny chance. My first response to his was: 1000 in 6 months... to which he said: that should be possible. And then I went on to explain the meta-reason for such an idealistic objective: to inspire -- it has to be exciting enough for people to go... wouldn't that be cool... 1 miiiiiiiiiiillion players... in a year... wow! It kind of aligns people
and gives their contributions... parameters. 
Wolverine went into some detail regarding problems with money and time-syncing with different servers, and we discussed most of that through voice so i have no recording of this suffice to say it was exactly where i am blind: serious here-and-now practicalities. My initial response was to emphasise that I have no interest in money, but that I thought that the developers deserve something for all the fun I got out of the game, and I kind of like seeing skillful player rewarded for amazing skill. My second response is to leave most of those technical details for later once we have enough players who are interested in the idea and we start to learn the social skills to bring it about. This for me is the most important factor and something demonstrated so well by the developers: the ability to work together without a hierarchical structure or selling their time and skills to a business-company. (Albeit the developers have a slightly easier time of it since they are producing a thing, and confrontation of perspectives can be resolved through actually producing the most efficient code for example.) 
Ghab was enthusiastic and without him I think I would have just crumpled under the initial criticism -- this is not a criticism of the participants, it is merely a recognition that we are trained to be critical (you know... the dialectic, devil's advocate, scientific disproof). To my mind we apply this critical faculty too early which is another reason why the idealistic objective is presented first: if you like the idea then whatever objections you come up with makes you you want to come with the solutions rather than presenting them to another as if you have already been defeated by it. 
Anyhoo, these ideas and reasons are covered elsewhere on this wiki... [[contributor's guidelines]].. I think. 
In conclusion, I wanted to voice the idea to a few players and if they didn't like it I wouldn't have taken it further: we agreed to reconvene a week later to give everyone the chance to mull the idea over ([[TRONICv1.1]]). So my deepest gratitude to the people known as wolvering ghableska and mazuffer, and for the others who have shown interest but have not been able to afford the time yet to pursuing the idea further.

==wolverine==

==ghableska==
So far, I think I like what we are trying to accomplish. :-) I think that we can at least try, and if all else fails, we would have had fun trying the idea.

That's pretty much what I have to say.

P.S. /me looks at the length of 2020's post, then back to mine.

==mazuffer==

TRONICv1

2006-02-18T18:16:07Z

Ghableska: /* ghableska */

The first outlining of the idea and the responses different people had to it.

==2020==
I prepared this:
{|
<pre>
format for discussion:
idealistic notion
my motives are good, to be discussed another time perhaps
i am a teacher, and social artist
love the game
love to have more competition

the idea: more like an invitation
1,000,000 players in one tournament in one year's time of 0.2.8 release
played in one evening
£1 entry fee
some goes to developers: 200k
most goes to players: 600k
a little goes to service providers: 100k
and the rest to previous designers, film director, artistic director: 100k
or however we organise it...

who?
the game is super simple so it can be played by young and old
it is not kill kill kill, so it is open to everyone
there is scalability: skills are evident in individual players
teamplay: a good team can beat a collection of skilled individuals... maybe?
so
kids can test their quick reaction times
adults can use their temporal awareness to set traps
appeals to new kids on the block and a whole generation of guys who loved TRON

how?
mainly word of mouth
though with some concerted effort in promoting at various gaming venues...?
and then the interface with joe-public has to be super simple
less emphasis on clans, and more on team-formation, less technical-developmental, more play

when?
6 months: 1,000 player tournament
3 months: 100 player tournamnet
1 month: small informal tournament just to test it out

where?
dedicated servers: official i suppose... secure
and locals can host their own of course...

what?
noobs download the game free
play, encourage to set up their own moviepack
and register for worldcup
then
they will be invited to the earlier smaller tournament closer to the time
and they know they could make £16k that night from the game
oh yeah... if they are good enough

why?
the game is excellent
it is incredibly well designed
simple: only two keys minimum
beautifully elegant: acceleration due to proximity of trail
shares good design with chess and GO
difference is multiplayer: it is social, it is the virtual equivalent of football
and in the future virtual world of games, this could hold an important minimal place just like chess and GO, rather than what the developers are doing which is to play around with maps etc
that is: purify, distil it, faster, lower ping, increase teamplay

and why you guys?
i have played with you
and i like your attitudes
you are all different
and i wanted to test the idea with a variety of people
i didn't want to suggest this to people who are like me
or who are just nice
i think you are all strong independently minded people
with different personalities and ambitions etc
with at least one common interest:
playing armagetron

framework of idea:
social cohesion not engineering
the developers of the game have done the business
now as players can we do the same socially

necessary add-ons:
voice capacity
team choice
secure trusted servers for official games

so
what's next?
1
a few people who think yeah
this sounds good
2
these people thrash out some kind of provisional plan
3
we start rolling it out, invite others to join and take part
4
as well as an established interface for noobs with clear entry into the worldcup
first month will determine whether it works
if it does
we carry on...

important to recognise
it is voluntary
also
the thing about working with things
an artist and his stone or wood or paint or canvass
and engineer with his metal and stone
a scientist with his chemicals etc
is that the number of variables may be many but they are ultimately manageable and controllable
however
we are dealing with people and as such we don't want to control anyone
and there will by necessity be different ideas on how to do this
and we need to have a reasonable way of resolving differences

unlike writing the computer game itself
where there is something about efficiency, speed, economy of cpu time etc, elegance even
we don't have these external conditions, so it can get very baggy
hence the rigour: 1,000,000 in a year
to pull this off, we can't just arse about, and we can't just rely on our own tastes
we must accomodate as many people as possible
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I cut it into sections, passed them through skype chat, and the others responded as we went along. Generally wolverine ghableska and mazuffer listened throughout and then said stuff at the end. 
I remember maz's response: 1,000,000 is impossible... hehhhe... which of course it isn't... though there is still a tiny chance. My first response to his was: 1000 in 6 months... to which he said: that should be possible. And then I went on to explain the meta-reason for such an idealistic objective: to inspire -- it has to be exciting enough for people to go... wouldn't that be cool... 1 miiiiiiiiiiillion players... in a year... wow! It kind of aligns people
and gives their contributions... parameters. 
Wolverine went into some detail regarding problems with money and time-syncing with different servers, and we discussed most of that through voice so i have no recording of this suffice to say it was exactly where i am blind: serious here-and-now practicalities. My initial response was to emphasise that I have no interest in money, but that I thought that the developers deserve something for all the fun I got out of the game, and I kind of like seeing skillful player rewarded for amazing skill. My second response is to leave most of those technical details for later once we have enough players who are interested in the idea and we start to learn the social skills to bring it about. This for me is the most important factor and something demonstrated so well by the developers: the ability to work together without a hierarchical structure or selling their time and skills to a business-company. (Albeit the developers have a slightly easier time of it since they are producing a thing, and confrontation of perspectives can be resolved through actually producing the most efficient code for example.) 
Ghab was enthusiastic and without him I think I would have just crumpled under the initial criticism -- this is not a criticism of the participants, it is merely a recognition that we are trained to be critical (you know... the dialectic, devil's advocate, scientific disproof). To my mind we apply this critical faculty too early which is another reason why the idealistic objective is presented first: if you like the idea then whatever objections you come up with makes you you want to come with the solutions rather than presenting them to another as if you have already been defeated by it. 
Anyhoo, these ideas and reasons are covered elsewhere on this wiki... [[contributor's guidelines]].. I think. 
In conclusion, I wanted to voice the idea to a few players and if they didn't like it I wouldn't have taken it further: we agreed to reconvene a week later to give everyone the chance to mull the idea over ([[TRONICv1.1]]). So my deepest gratitude to the people known as wolvering ghableska and mazuffer, and for the others who have shown interest but have not been able to afford the time yet to pursuing the idea further.

==wolverine==

==ghableska==
So far, I think I like what we are trying to accomplish. :-) I think that we can at least try, and if all else fails, we would have had fun trying the idea.

That's pretty much what I have to say.

==mazuffer==