Armagetron Advanced - User contributions [en]

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2009-07-05T20:44:18Z

Madmax: ...

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2009-07-05T20:40:55Z

Madmax: More scores.

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Template:Ladle23Bracketv2

2009-07-05T20:29:00Z

Madmax: Updated our branch.

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Server Administration Guide

2009-02-03T02:36:44Z

Madmax: Reverted Chaotic haji's edits. Changed back to last version by Jonathan

Setting up a server for Armagetron Advanced isn't terribly difficult, but there are a few things you need to consider when you do it. Taking a few minutes to figure out what you're trying to do will save you a whole lot of headache/heartache later on when people start playing your server.

== Starting out ==

Before you consider what OS you're going to use, what version of the game to run, and so forth, you should figure out a few basic parameters of the server. Here are some you should consider.

=== Private or Public? ===
The setting <code>TALK_TO_MASTER</code> is off by default. To make your server public (available on the master server list), you must turn on this setting. If it is off, players will only be able to connect to your server through the [[Server Bookmarks]] using your IP address. If you are connected to the internet through a router, normally used so that multiple computers can share the same internet connection, you will also need to open a port.

More information on both of these topics is available below.

=== Moderated? ===

Armagetron Advanced supports a limited but expanding set of in game administration commands(in 0.2.8, it will be a fairly comprehensive set). The catch is that you can only have one administration password. So in order to make moderators on your server, all you have to do is give out the administration password.

The alternative is to use the voting features that are intended to allow players to moderate the server as they see fit.

You can go either way, of course. It's entirely up to you.

=== Round or Match ===

There are plenty of ways to setup scoring on a server. A common setting is one point for each kill. While this scoring method encourages competitive play, it's not always desirable. On some servers, just surviving to the end of the round is quite an accomplishment, and you may wish to reward players for doing so. Too much of a reward will encourage players to just screw around instead of fighting.

You should also consider if you even want the standard gladiator-style fighting. It's certainly possible to set up scoring to allow for different games, such as [[Roulette]], and to encourage different playing styles. So just take a few minutes to think about it. It'll pay off in the end, because the default game server settings aren't necessarily the most popular scoring rules, and unless you really want the default scoring, you could lose most of your audience in the first two hours of operation if you didn't think about scoring.

== Requirements ==

=== If you fall short ===

If you cannot meet the requirements to host a server yourself (or simply don't want to leave your computer on 24/7), don't despair! There are companies that specialize in hosting colocated servers-- you can use many of them (such as [http://www.sevenl.net/ SevenL] or [http://www.vr.org VR Hosted]) to host an Armagetron Advanced server. If you don't have the expertise or want to bother with maintaining a full Linux server, you can get hosting specifically for Armagetron from [http://lightfoot.dashjr.org Lightfoot Hosting] or [http://flynnsarcade.net Flynn's Arcade] without needing to setup anything.

=== Hardware ===

Hardware requirements are fairly small. The game itself will only need around 10MB of RAM or so, more for more players. So whatever the minimal requirements for your target operating system will usually suffice. It is important to make sure that the game will not have any of its parts swapped to disk, just like with any other server, but memory usage is minimal.

CPU requirements are also pretty slim. Again, whatever the requirements for your target operating system will likely suffice. A common number provided for a server CPU is a 600mhz Pentium II or greater. Some popular servers have run on as little as 800mhz AMD Duron! Starting in 0.2.7.1, it is possible to limit the framerate of the simulation itself. This gives several important traits to the game. First, it makes it play nicely even on a computer that runs other tasks (such as a web server). It also provides for more stable gameplay. Finally, it allows you to tailor the simulation for your hardware, so on a smaller CPU, you should consider limiting the framerate of the simulation to improve gameplay.

=== Network ===

The size and speed of your network connection is more than likely going to be your first and most serious performance bottleneck. Generally you'll want to consider that each player connected requires about 6KB/second of upstream bandwidth. So for 16 players, you'll need 96 KB/sec of upstream bandwidth. This doesn't consider any other bandwidth usage on your network, such as web browsing from a different machine. Use MAX_CLIENTS to limit the number of players accordingly.

More information is given for both of these topics in the [[Advanced Server Administration Guide]].

== Setting Up ==

So now you've figured out what kind of server you want and how you want people to play on it, and you want to know how to set it up and optionally make it available on the master server browser. Setting up is fairly straightforward.

If you do not wish to bother with setting up a server yourself, and be left to simply administrate your server, [http://lightfoot.dashjr.org Lightfoot Hosting] or [http://flynnsarcade.net Flynn's Arcade] provide managed hosting for Armagetron servers-- you can just configure it how you like using a simple web interface and be ready to play.

=== Install the Server ===

First you need to install the server. It's common to think of any given "server" as a special machine built by old women in third-world countries, but actually, a "server" is just any machine that makes a "service" available to other users. In this case, you're going to install software on a computer, possibly your desktop computer, that will make a game service available for other users to use.

So first you need to acquire the package called "armagetronad-dedicated". If you're using Linux, get one that says "linux" on it. For Windows, get the one that has ".exe" on the end of it. For Mac OS X, there's one with a ".dmg" extension for you. Usually the CPU architecture and OS are embedded in the filename, so pick the right one and install it.

We won't go into too many details here about installation, consult the regular documentation for how to install the server for your architecture.

=== Test the Server ===

After installing the server, the first thing you should do is test it. So start it up. If you're in Linux, you will want to become the superuser and type, in a terminal, "/etc/init.d/armagetronad-dedicated start". If you're in Windows, find the icon in your Start menu and click it. If you're in Mac OS X, open the application Terminal which can be found in Utilities in the Applications folder. Type "<code>cd </code>" there (without the quotes, and note the space immediately after cd) and drop the folder containing the dedicated server on the window. You should now see something like "<code>cd /Users/username/Desktop/Armagetron\ Advanced\ Dedicated/ </code>" if the folder is located on your desktop. Run it by pressing enter or return. Once you're in there, run ./armagetronad-dedicated to start the server. Then fire up a client and see if you can connect to it as a LAN game (under Network Game). If you can do this, then you have successfully tested the server. Now you need to shut it down. In Windows, go to the console window for the server (it opens when you start the game) and type "QUIT". In Linux, just do "/etc/init.d/armagetronad-dedicated stop". In Mac OS X, you type "quit" in the Terminal window like in Windows, after which you can close the Terminal window.

== Public Servers ==

If you want to host a server at home. You have to open UDP port 4534 in your firewall and possibly forward the port from your router to the PC running ArmagetronAd (and is hosting a game).

=== Firewalls ===
*Windows XP: Either your firewall will ask you if you want ArmagetronAd to open port 4534. You can also follow [http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;308127 these instructions] use name: "Armagetron Server" the port is UDP 4534 (leave TCP blank).
*ZoneAlarm: TODO: popular? should it be added ?
*Mac OS X: Go to System Preferences ? Sharing ? Firewall. One way to let all traffic through is turning it off, but you may not want to do that. If you decide to leave/turn it on, look for a button labeled “Advanced…”. If it exists, go there and ensure “Block UDP Traffic” is not checked. If it doesn't exist you have an old version that never blocks any UDP. For the curious: this is a limited GUI to ipfirewall.
*Linux: TODO Lucifer ? Link to a site ?

=== Port forwarding ===

If you have a router with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation NAT], you'll want to forward a port to your server so others can reach it. Armagetron uses the UDP port from configuration option SERVER_PORT, which is 4534 by default. You'll probably want a forwarding entry that looks like:
* Local/internal address: <your server's IP address>
* Protocol: UDP
* Local/internal port: <SERVER_PORT>
* Remote/external port: anything should work, but <SERVER_PORT> is common.

It is important that your server's IP address never changes. You can manually choose an address outside the address pool used by DHCP, or an address that is unlikely to be assigned (e.g. if the lowest available address is always assigned, you can use an address ending with 100), or disable DHCP altogether and configure everything manually. [http://www.portforward.com/ http://www.portforward.com/] has more info on that.

If you can't figure it out, consult your router's manual. You can also look for help at the aforementioned [http://www.portforward.com/ http://www.portforward.com/], which has tutorials for many routers, and a forum. It doesn't have an Armagetron entry (yet), but it has been found that [http://www.portforward.com/english/applications/port_forwarding/F-22Lightning3/F-22Lightning3index.htm F-22 Lightning 3's] port range contains Armagetron's default port, so if you're absolutely clueless you can go with that.

==== Dynamic external IP addresses ====

If you have a dynamic external IP address, you can use a service like DynDNS's [http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/dyndns/ Dynamic DNS] to map a name to your IP address. When your IP address changes, a small updater program will send the new address to DynDNS and update the address associated with the name. You should set the setting SERVER_DNS to the name you registered to ensure clients and the master servers can keep track of you when your IP address changes.

=== Secure the Server ===

There isn't really a lot to do here, but you should consider how you want to secure the machine. If you think it will be necessary to ban certain players, then a firewall is your only option. Since ArmagetronAd 0.2.8.x you are able to ban IPs.
For older versions you can use a firewall that allows you to deny connections from users by IP address. It's not foolproof, but it's the only thing possible until we have player authentification.

Contrarily, if you do not want internet players to be able to use your server, you will need to make sure your router prevents such players but making the port mentioned above inaccessible through the router.

== [[Configuration Files]] ==

At this point you should have a good idea of what kind of server you're going to run and you should also have a working server running, but you don't yet have the server you set out to build. Now you need to configure the server itself.

The server is very flexible. As of the 0.2.8 release, you have pretty complete control over the simulation, and you also have some settings that you can configure the game rules a bit. So now all you need to do is make the settings, right? Wrong. :) First you need to understand how the settings are loaded and in what order.

=== Examples ===

Note: These examples first appeared in one of the release candidates for 0.2.8. Depending on what version you install, you may not have all of them, or even any of them. The final 0.2.8 release will have them for all platforms, however.

Several example files are provided to help you get set up and running quickly. These files contain snippets of settings that range from simple adjustments to cycle physics to more complex snippets that encapsulate complete game rules. So if you've played a server that you really enjoy and you'd like to use it as a base to build your own server, you can look to see if any of the example snippets provide the settings you're wanting.

Some of the snippets are named from the servers they came from. When you see this, it is because the file contains a fairly complete set of settings to make a server exactly like the server where the settings originated. Others are named after a specific action. These may have originated in a server, or they may not have originated in a server. If they came from a server, you can read the comments in the file to see which server they came from.

Each example snippet is built with the intention of being included in your <code>settings_custom.cfg</code> file so you don't have to copy and paste the contents in order to use them. Be warned, however, that the example snippet you've picked may be changed in an upgrade. This will happen periodically when the game engine changes in a way that renders the settings snippet in a different fashion than it was intended, and the changes will be made to attempt to bring that file back to the same feel of play as it originally had. If you want to use those upgrades to your benefit, then you can and should go ahead and include the snippet file as shown. If you want to insulate your server from such upgrades, then you'll need to copy and paste the contents of the file into your own <code>settings_custom.cfg</code>.

Examples:

To make a fortress server, add this line to <code>settings_custom.cfg</code>:

<code>INCLUDE examples/fortress_soccer.cfg</code>

To add a death zone to your server, you can add this line:

<code>INCLUDE examples/death_zone.cfg</code>

To add a single-use booster in place of the brake, you can use:

<code>INCLUDE examples/single_use_turbo.cfg</code>

Some of the example files may modify the same settings that others modify. When two examples conflict in this fashion, the one that is listed last will override all others. So place the one you wish to have persist at the end.

If you'd like to taylor the settings after you've included them, place your own settings after the relevant include lines. In fact, you should place all of your additional settings after all includes in order to ensure that no new included file will override your own settings.

=== Making your own Settings ===

The most common settings to change affect game logic, scoring, and some basic simulation such as cycle speed, acceleration, and so forth.

==== Simulation Settings ====
;EXPLOSION_RADIUS
:Blast radius of cycle explosions. Set to 0 to have no explosion radius (obviously).
;WALLS_LENGTH
:Cycle trail length. Set to -1 to have infinite trails.
;WALLS_STAY_UP_DELAY
:Cycle trail stay up this long after the cycle's destruction, measured in seconds.
;SPEED_FACTOR
:Cycle speed factor. Increase this by two to double the speed
;CYCLE_RUBBER
:This affects grinding. Higher numbers allow players to get closer to walls before crashing. It's intended to be used solely to correct for lag, but it's usually not used that way.

==== Map Settings ====
;ARENA_AXES
:Sets the number of possible driving directions (used only when map is axes-independent, otherwise the map overwrite this value)
;MAP_FILE
:This describe how to retreive a map. It uses a special syntax to allow to describe the location of the map on the local disk and a possible list of network based location, such as web url, where to retreive the file. The syntax is "[./][directory[/directory[...]]]/filename [(fulluri[; fulluri[; fulluri[...]]])]". By default, missing files are looked up by the client on the central resource repository. If one of more URI are given in the MAP_FILE, they will be queried before going to the resource repository.

==== Game Rules ====

;SCORE_WIN
:Points you gain for being last one alive. Also known as "camping points"
;SCORE_SUICIDE
:Points you gain for every stupid death (race into the rim/your own wall). It is added, so negative numbers are appropriate here unless you want to reward people for being stupid.
;SCORE_KILL
:Points you gain for everyone racing into your wall.
;SCORE_DIE
:Points you gain for every time you race into someone else's wall. Like SCORE_SUICIDE, you should make this a negative number unless you want to reward people for sucking.

;LIMIT_SCORE
:Score limit. When a player reaches this score, the match ends and that player wins. Ties are resolved by playing another round until one player has more points than the rest.
;LIMIT_ROUNDS
:Max number of rounds to play. When this is reached, the highest-scoring player is named the winner.
;LIMIT_TIME
:Max time (in minutes). When this is reached, the highest-scoring player is named the winner of the match.

Here is a pretty common setup:

<pre>
SCORE_WIN 0
SCORE_SUICIDE 0
SCORE_KILL 1
SCORE_DIE 0

LIMIT_SCORE 10
LIMIT_ROUNDS 40
LIMIT_TIME 30
</pre>

This is the scoring system used on servers like Swampland, the old Tigers Network servers, and the goshdarn clones that are floating around. It basically means you have to get 10 points by killing other players to win the match. Breakfast in Hell used a variation:

<pre>
SCORE_WIN 0
SCORE_SUICIDE 0
SCORE_KILL 1
SCORE_DIE 0

LIMIT_SCORE 1000
LIMIT_ROUNDS 40
LIMIT_TIME 7
</pre>

You still had to kill people to win, but the match was limited to 7 minutes. After 7 minutes, a winner was declared. The Crack Pipe still uses these settings at the time of writing but may change in the future.

'''This isn't a complete list!'''

There are a whole slew of configuration items available. Since the config items are the same as console commands, you can see a pretty complete list on the [[Console Commands]] page.

== Finishing Up ==

The last thing you need to figure out is usually the first thing you know. Do you want this server to be known by the master server? If so, you need to add this line to your settings_custom.cfg:

<code>
TALK_TO_MASTER 1
</code>

Note: in previous versions, this was the default, but as of 0.2.8, the default will be to not talk to master. You will have to manually set that, so make it the last thing you do before starting the server up for play.

You will also likely need to set <code>DEDICATED_IDLE</code> to 0. If you're in Linux and you're using the init script, then you probably don't have to worry about it, because the init script will restart the server automatically. But if you're not in Linux, you'll need to place this in your settings_custom.cfg:

<code>
DEDICATED_IDLE 0
</code>

For instructions on server-restarting on Mac OS X and Linux/UNIX systems go to [[Server_auto_restart]].

If you want your server to be known on the internet, you will probably need to open a port in your router. The default port is 4534, and you need to open it for "udp". Instructions on how to configure this on your router are beyond the scope of this document, you should consult your owner's manual for further information.

Of course, when that's all done, you need to start the server. Use the same procedure already referenced.

== Conclusion ==

This article is the basic "How to setup a game server" article. After reading through this article and getting your server running, the best thing you can do is to play your server for awhile, talk to other administrators, and so forth. Find out what people want, or figure out what you want. Tweak your settings however you'd like, it's your server. When you feel like you've got the hang of running a server, check out the [[Advanced Server Administration Guide]] for more cool things you can do with your server.

In the meantime, have fun!

[[Category:Server/config]]

User:Madmax

2009-02-03T02:15:42Z

Madmax: Updated some info

Hi & welcome to my quite empty page!

I'm mostly a fortress player (started playing on the good ol' CVS Test Server) and usually play on Fortress Café, as well as some sumo servers and the Nexus-pure-awesomeness-9 Deathmatch.

You can contact me here:
:IRC/freenode : madmax
:MSN/email : madmax.ptz at gmail dot com
:[http://forums.armagetronad.net/privmsg.php?mode=post&u=964 PM on the Armagetronad Forums]

Running Multiple Servers on a single Linux computer

2009-02-03T02:00:58Z

Madmax: Added note about chmod'ing +x the scripts

== Introduction ==

If you like to experiment new settings, it might be that you come with a set of interesting servers. A shame if you cannot run them all at the same time. Here is how you can achieve this on a Linux server. Please refer to the lag and bandwidth chapters in the wiki before to run multiple servers. If you run too many, you might end with a very bad gameplay.

This chapter will present you an easy way to run multiple servers on a single Linux computer, using GNU screen.

== Server installation ==

First of all, you have to install the Armagetron Advanced Dedicated Server from source, not using the provided install script. This will allow to manage at will the settings and var directories. To do so, download the latest source package, and untar it in a temporary folder. CD to that folder and run the following commands:

In the "configure" command, the prefix will be the application directory. I have choose to install it in /opt/armagetronad/. Make your own choice:

./configure --prefix=/opt/armagetronad/ --disable-glout --enable-automakedefaults --disable-sysinstall --disable-etc --disable-useradd --disable-initscripts

Then, compile and install:

make
make install

Now, armagetron advanced dedicated is installed in the /opt/armagetronad/ folder.

== Preparing the servers ==

=== The tree ===

CD to /opt/armagetronad/
cd /opt/armagetronad/

Create the following subdirectories:

mkdir servers 'This folder will be used to store server configurations
mkdir logs 'This one will be used to save the server logs
mkdir scripts 'And this one will be used to same the scripts we will see below

We have now to create our servers. To do so, go to the servers directory you have created earlier, and for each server, create a subfolder with a one-word name for the server, and two subfolders: var and settings. For exemple:

cd /opt/armagetronad/servers

To create a server called server1:

mkdir server1
mkdir server1/settings
mkdir server1/var
then copy your config files in the settings subfolder.

You can then create a second server, and more...

mkdir server2
mkdir server2/settings
mkdir server2/var
and so on...

=== The setting files ===

For each server, do not forget to create a "server_info.cfg" file (search the wiki about it), and to change the port number. Port can be from 4534 to 4540, meaning you can safely run up to 7 servers on the same computer, depending obviously on the settings of each servers, and the bandwidth they need.

We assume that you know enough about Server Administration to understand the above explainations. This article is about Advanced Server Administration, isn't it ?

== The scripts ==

Now you have to create the scripts to launch and log all your servers. To allow managing each server separately, we will use GNU Screen. GNU screen is a terminal window manager. If it is not install on your server, you can get it with the usual installation tool (yum install screen, apt get screen, etc...). Again... advanced.... We assume you know how to install applications on linux and therefore, we assume GNU screen has been installed

You have to create two scripts. The first one will run a server and start logging the window in which the server has started. The second one will execute the first one for each folder in the /opt/armagetronad/servers folder. It will create a window for each of them. Therefore, if you don't want a server to run, you will have to temporarily move the server folder out from the /opt/armagetronad/servers directory.

Save the scripts in the /opt/armagetronad/scripts directory. I use nano which is an easy text editor.

=== The server script ===

The first script will be called in this example: srv

nano /opt/armagetronad/scripts/srv
That creates a text file called srv in the scripts directory. Write the following lines in the file:

#!/bin/bash

screen -S $1 -X logtstamp on # print timestamps in log file
screen -S $1 -X logfile /opt/armagetronad/$1_%d%m%Y-%c.log # create a logfile in the logs subfolder
screen -S $1 -X log on # Turn on logging for the server window
while true; do # start a loop to allow server restart if it crashes

# runs the actual server. By default, the binary is called armagetronad-dedicated and is located in the prefix/bin directory. In this example, it is in /opt/armagetronad/bin directory.
/opt/armagetronad/bin/armagetronad-dedicated --configdir /opt/armagetronad/servers/$1/settings --vardir /opt/armagetronad/servers/$1/var

# Shows the errors and indicates that the server has crashed, and then, waits 5 seconds before restarting the server, allowing you to quit with CTRL-C
echo "Server has crashed. It will restart immediately..., press CTRL-C to cancel"
sleep 5

done # end the loop
To save the file, press CTRL-X and Y to confirm. You have now a file called srv in /opt/armagetronad/scripts.

=== the global script ===

Create the second script. I called it start: <code> nano /opt/armagetronad/scripts/start</code>

#!/bin/bash

# If you run the script with a parameter (server name), only that server will be start. Otherwise, all servers in the /opt/armagetronad/servers directory will be started

if [ "$1" != "" ]; then
screen -S $1 -X quit # Kill the window if it exists already, avoiding to run the same server twice
screen -dmS $1 /opt/armagetronad/scripts/srv $1 # start a GNU screen window with the specified server inside
else
for f in $(ls /opt/armagetronad/servers/.) # start a loop running the following command for any existing folders in the /opt/armagetronad/servers folder
do
screen -S $f -X quit # Kill the window if it exists already, avoiding to run the same server twice
screen -dmS $f /opt/armagetronad/scripts/srv $f # start a GNU screen window with the server inside for each server folder
done # ends the loop
fi
Save it and exit the same way as before.

Don't forget to set both files with execute permissions:
<code>chmod +x srv start</code>

=== Starting all servers ===

To make your servers start at boot, edit the /etc/rc.local file and add the "start" script at the end of <code>/opt/armagetronad/scripts/start</code>

If you want to manually start all servers, just run the <code>./start</code> script.

=== Starting a single specific server ===

If you want to start (or restart) a single server, just run
./start servername

== Server management ==

=== GNU screen ===

GNU screen is a great tool. As explained above, it allow a multi-windowed environement on the simple terminal. And even better, the windows stay alive, evening when you disconnect from the server. You can find everything about GNU screen by typing <code>man screen</code> on a terminal.

=== Listing the running servers ===

To see the existing windows, meaning here, the running servers, type <code>screen -ls</code>. It will gives you a list of running windows.

=== Accessing and leaving a server console ===

To attach to a window, type <code>screen -r servername</code>. You will be in the server console. You can then do all the command you would usually do there. Remote moderation, server adjustment, and so on.

To detach, but keep the server running, press CTRL-a d (control key + low case A, then low case D to detach). You can find all GNU screen key combinations by reading <code>man screen</code>.

=== Killing a server ===

To kill a server, attach to its window, and press CTRL-C. This will kill the script, and the window. Then press ESC to exit the dead window. An alternate way is to run
screen -S servername -X quit
This will kill and end the window and the server inside.

=== Log files ===

Everytime the <code>srv</code> script is run, a new logfile will be created in the /opt/armagetronad/logs folder. Keep an eye on log sizes. You don't want to run out of disk space because of Armagetron Advanced, do you ?

=== Test the server autorestart ===

If you want to try if the server restarts when it crash, do not press CTRL-C into the window. CTRL-C kill the script, therefore it will not be able to restart. Instead, run the <code>quit</code> command inside the server console. It will close the server, and you will be able to see the message, and the server restarting.

== Credits ==

This article has been written by Superkikim. These scripts and setup details are used to run the "FAST TRACK" servers.

Ladle/Challenge Board

2008-09-23T23:35:57Z

Madmax: Added myself

{{:Ladle/Blurb}}

The Challenge Board is designed to make the pairing of teams easy for the day of the event. You might wish to create a wiki page of for your team or place expected teammates in brackets on the Challenge Board.
'''We are still attempting to have runners up! If your team loses, continue into the semis, and the winners of these will meet in the runners-up final.'''

{| border="2" cellpadding="2" style="text-align:center"
! || UTC/GMT || PST || EST
|-
| '''Quarter Finals''' || 7:30pm || 11:30pm || 2:30pm
|-
| '''Semi Finals''' || 8:15pm || 12:15pm || 3:15pm
|-
| '''Finals''' || 9pm || 1pm || 4pm
|-
|}

([http://www.greenwichmeantime.com/ time conversion here])

All Challenge Boards have been locked at 0:00 am UTC on the day of the event.

Please post your team name and the players who will play for your team below. (N.B. you need the consent of both teams to switch their positions)

* Team 1 is... [http://tr.1c3d.net Twisted Rats] (Durka, CuRbSidE, Goodygumdrops, SageLord, GoInVeR, Lizmatic, garisimo, apparition, jjbean, xfroggy... )
* Team 2 is... [http://crazy-tronners.com/ Crazy Tronners] ([http://crazy-tronners.com/memberlist.php?mode=cters_active players])
----
* Team 3 is... [http://ds.experimentalworks.net/board/index.php ~|DarkSyndicate|~]
* Team 4 is... [[MATADO CORE|Matado Core]] (hoop, akira, Concord, AshitakA, SpeeD, O--->, sine.wav, <y<lo, pixel, madmax ... )
----
* Team 5 is... [http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=199278 Lack's Team] (real name to be anounced on later date) (Lackadaisical et al)
* Team 6 is... [http://www.xclan.armagetron.co.uk -¦x¦-] (xs20, Infamous, $ubzero, Hoax, FoFo, Sticky, cid, epsy, Aeon, Raiden, Liza, RoterBaron, SlaYer, Viper)
----
* Team 7 is... [http://lagtest.net _-`Ww_] (Monkey.D.Luffy, ... )
* Team 8 is... [[Beer Is Cheaper Than Waters]]

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
|-
!Quarter Finals
!Semi Finals
!Final
| rowspan="9" |
|- style="border-bottom:3px double"
| 7:30 PM UTC
| 8:15 PM UTC
| 9:00 PM UTC
|-
| [http://tr.1c3d.net/ TR]
|
|
|-
| ''' @ CT's Fortress(1) '''
| 0-0
|-
| [http://crazy-tronners.com/ CT]
| X
|
|-
|
| ''' @ CT's Fortress(2)'''
| 0-0
|-
| | Team 3
| | X
|-
| ''' @ (Yet to be determined) '''
| 0-0
|-
| [[MATADO CORE|MC]]
|
| | X
|-
|
|
| '''@ CT's Fortress(1)'''
| 0-0
|-
| Team 5
|
| X
| rowspan="7" |
|-
| ''' @ CT's Fortress(2) '''
| 0-0
|
|-
| [http://www.xclan.armagetron.co.uk -¦x¦-]
| X
|
|-
|
| ''' @ CT's Fortress(1)'''
| 0-0
|-
| [http://lagtest.net _-`Ww_]
| X
|
|-
| ''' @ WW's Fortress '''
| 0-0
|
|-
| Team 8
|
|
|}

{{:Ladle/Blurb}}

== Previous Challenge Boards ==

=== Fifteenth Ladle ===

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
|-
!Quarter Finals
!Semi Finals
!Final
| rowspan="9" |
|-
| style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM UTC
| style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM UTC
| style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM UTC
|-
| [[°°ps team]]
|
|
|-
| ''' @ Z-Man's Fortress '''
| 0-0
|-
| Team 2
| [[°°ps team]]
|
|-
|
| ''' @ ¦×¦.Fortress.Server '''
| 0-0
|-
| | [http://ds.experimentalworks.net/ ~|DS|~]
| | [http://ds.experimentalworks.net/ ~|DS|~]
|-
| ''' @ DS's Fortress '''
| 0-0
|-
| Team 4
|
| | [http://ds.experimentalworks.net/ ~|DS|~]
|-
|
|
| '''@ Z-mans Fortress'''
| 0-3
|-
| [http://crazy-tronners.com/ CT]
|
| [http://xclan.net.tf -¦×¦-]
| rowspan="7" |
|-
| ''' @ CT's Fortress '''
| 0-0
|
|-
| Team 6
| [http://crazy-tronners.com/ CT]
|
|-
|
| ''' @ Z-Man's Fortress'''
| 0-2
|-
| [http://xclan.net.tf -¦×¦-]
| [http://xclan.net.tf -¦×¦-]
|
|-
| ''' @ WW's Fortress '''
| 0-0
|
|-
| Team 8
|
|
|}

=== Fourteenth Ladle ===

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! | Quarter Finals !! | Semi Finals !! | Final
|-
| style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM UTC || style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM UTC || style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM UTC
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | [[°°ps team]]
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | ''' @ Z-Man's Fortress ''' || style="border-left:0px" | 0-2
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | [http://www.xclan.armagetron.co.uk/ -¦x¦-] || style="border-bottom:0px" | [http://www.xclan.armagetron.co.uk/ -¦x¦-]
|-
||| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | ''' @ ¦×¦.Fortress.Server ''' || style="border-left:0px" | 2-0
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | [[One man team]] || style="border-top:0px" | [[Programs]]
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | ''' @ DS's Fortress ''' || style="border-left:0px" | 0-2
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | [[Programs]]|| style="border-bottom:0px" | || style="border-bottom:0px" | [http://www.xclan.armagetron.co.uk/ -¦x¦-]
|-
| style="border-right:0px" | || style="border-left:0px; border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px" | || style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ Z-mans Fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | 1-3
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | [http://crazy-tronners.com/ CT] || style="border-top:0px" | ||style="border-top:0px" | [[Twisted Killer Rats]]
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | ''' @ CT's Fortress ''' || style="border-left:0px" | 2-1
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | [http://ds.experimentalworks.net/ ~|DS|~] || style="border-bottom:0px" | [http://crazy-tronners.com/ CT]
|-
| || style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0x" | ''' @ Z-Man's Fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | 2-0
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | [[Twisted Killer Rats]] || style="border-top:0px" | [[Twisted Killer Rats]]
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | ''' @ WW's Fortress ''' || style="border-left:0px" | ~Bye
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | ~bye
|}

=== Thirteenth Ladle ===

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! | Quarter Finals !! | Semi Finals !! | Final
|-
| style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM UTC || style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM UTC || style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM UTC
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | [[°°ps team]]
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | ''' @ Z-mans Fortress ''' || style="border-left:0px" | 1-2
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | [http://crazy-tronners.com/ Crazy Tronners] || style="border-bottom:0px" | [http://crazy-tronners.com/ Crazy Tronners]
|-
||| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ Bugfarm clone & DS fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | 2-0
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | [http://ds.experimentalworks.net/typo3/index.php/ ~|DarkSyndicate|~] || style="border-top:0px" | [http://ds.experimentalworks.net/typo3/index.php/ ~|DarkSyndicate|~]
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ DS Fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | 2-1
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | [http://speederclan.5.forumer.com/ ~*The Speeders*~] || style="border-bottom:0px" | || style="border-bottom:0px" | [http://crazy-tronners.com/ Crazy Tronners]
|-
| style="border-right:0px" | || style="border-left:0px; border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px" | || style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ Z-mans Fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | 2-3
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | [http://www.xclan.armagetron.co.uk/ -¦x¦-] || style="border-top:0px" | ||style="border-top:0px" | [http://www.xclan.armagetron.co.uk/ -¦x¦-]
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ ¦x¦ Fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | ~bye~
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | Team 6 || style="border-bottom:0px" | [http://www.xclan.armagetron.co.uk/ -¦x¦-]
|-
| || style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0x" | ''' @ Z-mans Fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | 2-1
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | Combine || style="border-top:0px" | [http://tr.1c3d.net/ Twisted Killer Rats]
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ wild-west fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | 0-2
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | [http://tr.1c3d.net/ Twisted Killer Rats]
|}

=== Twelfth Ladle ===

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! | Quarter Finals !! | Semi Finals !! | Final
|-
| style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM UTC || style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM UTC || style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM UTC
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI]
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | ''' @ Z-mans Fortress ''' || style="border-left:0px" | 2-0
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | [http://www.oops-clan.org °°ps] || style="border-bottom:0px" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI]
|-
||| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | ''' @ Z-mans Fortress ''' || style="border-left:0px" |bye
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | team 3 || style="border-top:0px" | team 3/4
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ ¦x¦ Fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | n/a
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | Programs || style="border-bottom:0px" | || style="border-bottom:0px" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI]
|-
| style="border-right:0px" | || style="border-left:0px; border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px" | || style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ Z-mans fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | 0-3
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | [http://www.xclan.net.tf -¦x¦-] || style="border-top:0px" | ||style="border-top:0px" | [http://www.xclan.net.tf -¦x¦-]
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ Ladle Café''' || style="border-left:0px" | 2-0
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | [http://sp-clan.com SP] || style="border-bottom:0px" | [http://www.xclan.net.tf -¦x¦-]
|-
| || style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0x" | '''@ Ladle Café''' || style="border-left:0px" | 2-0
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | [[Tronic Monkeys]] || style="border-top:0px" | [[Tronic Monkeys]]
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ wild-west fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | bye
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | Team 8
|}

=== Eleventh Ladle ===

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! | Quarter Finals !! | Semi Finals !! | Final
|-
| style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM UTC || style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM UTC || style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM UTC
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | [http://www.sp-clan.com SP]
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ Z-mans Fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | 0-2
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | [http://www.oops-clan.org °°ps] & [http://darksyndicates.da.funpic.de/forum/index.php ~|DS|~] || style="border-bottom:0px" | [http://www.oops-clan.org °°ps] & [http://darksyndicates.da.funpic.de/forum/index.php ~|DS|~]
|-
||| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ Z-mans Fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | 0-2
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | [http://www.xclan.net.tf -¦×¦-] || style="border-top:0px" | [http://www.xclan.net.tf -¦×¦-]
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ fortress cafe''' || style="border-left:0px" | 2-0
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | [[Tronic Monkeys]] || style="border-bottom:0px" | || style="border-bottom:0px" | [http://www.xclan.net.tf -¦×¦-]
|-
| style="border-right:0px" | || style="border-left:0px; border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px" | || style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ Z-mans fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | 0-3
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | team 5 || style="border-top:0px" | || style="border-top:0px" | Fogies with Wheelchairs
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ ¦x¦ Fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | team 6 || style="border-bottom:0px" | n/a
|-
| || style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0x" | '''@ wild-west fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || style="border-top:0px" | Fogies with Wheelchairs
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ wild-west fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | 1-2
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | Fogies with Wheelchairs
|}

=== Tenth Ladle Challenge Board ===

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
| [http://www.xclan.net.tf -¦x¦-] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.xclan.net.tf -¦x¦-] || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || rowspan="4" | 0
| rowspan="8" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI]
|-
| [http://www.oops-clan.org °°ps] || 0
|-
| [http://www.sp-clan.com SP]|| 2
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
| [[Tronic Monkeys|TM]] || 0
|-
| Team 5 || n/a
| rowspan="2" | Team 5/6 || rowspan="2" | n/a
| rowspan="4" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
| team 6 || n/a
|-
| [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="2" | bye
|-
| OT || 1
|}

=== Ninth Ladle Challenge Board ===

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
| FZ || 1
| rowspan="2" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | [[Team somethingsomething | SS]] || rowspan="4" | 3
| rowspan="8" | [[Team somethingsomething | SS]]
|-
| [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || 2
|-
|[http://www.xclan.net.tf -¦x¦-]|| 1
| rowspan="2" | [[Team somethingsomething | SS]] || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
| [[Team somethingsomething | SS]] || 2
|-
| [http://www.oops-clan.org °°ps] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.oops-clan.org °°ps] || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | [http://www.sp-clan.com ~*SP*~] || rowspan="4" | 0
|-
| team 6 || n/a
|-
| [[Tronic Monkeys | TM]] || 1
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.sp-clan.com ~*SP*~] || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
| [http://www.sp-clan.com ~*SP*~] || 2
|}

=== Eighth Ladle Challenge Board ===

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
| [http://www.oops-clan.org °°ps] || 1
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.sp-clan.com ~*SP*~] || rowspan="2" | 1
| rowspan="4" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI]
|-
| [http://www.sp-clan.com ~*SP*~] || 2
|-
| [http://www.xclan.net.tf -¦x¦-] || 0
| rowspan="2" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="2" | 3
|-
| [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || 2
|}

=== Seventh Ladle Challenge Board ===

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
| [http://www.xclan.net.tf -¦x¦-] || 0
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.sp-clan.com ~*SP*~] || rowspan="2" | 3
| rowspan="4" | [http://www.sp-clan.com ~*SP*~]
|-
| [http://www.sp-clan.com ~*SP*~] || 2
|-
| [[Tronic Monkeys | TM]] || 0
| rowspan="2" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="2" | 1
|-
| [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || 2
|}

=== Sixth Ladle Challenge Board ===

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
| [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="4" | 1
| rowspan="8" | [[Team somethingsomething | SS]]
|-
| [http://www.oops-clan.org/ °°ps] || 0
|-
|team 3 || n/a
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.sp-clan.com ~*SP*~] || rowspan="2" | 0
|-
| [http://www.sp-clan.com ~*SP*~] || bye
|-
| [[Tronic Monkeys | TM]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Tronic Monkeys | TM]] || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | [[Team somethingsomething | SS]] || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || n/a
|-
| [[Team somethingsomething | SS]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Team somethingsomething | SS]] || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
| team 8 || n/a
|}

=== Fifth Ladle Challenge Board ===

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
| [[Wraith Squadron | WS]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Wraith Squadron | WS]] || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | [[Tronic Monkeys | TM]]
|-
| PKC || n/s
|-
| [[Tronic Monkeys | TM]] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [[Tronic Monkeys | TM]] || rowspan="2" | 3
|-
| [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || 1
|}

=== Fourth Ladle Challenge Board ===

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|[http://wpn.rocks.it WPN] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [http://wpn.rocks.it WPN] || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | [[Holers | Ho]] || rowspan="4" | 0
| rowspan="8" | pN
|-
|[[Tronic Monkeys | TM]] || 0
|-
|none || N/A
| rowspan="2" | [[Holers | Ho]] || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|[[Holers | Ho]] || bye
|-
|[[SteveTaylor | ST]] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [[SteveTaylor | ST]] || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | pN || rowspan="4" | 2
|-
|[[Wraith Squadron | WS]] || 0
|-
|pN || bye
| rowspan="2" | pN || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|TiP || n/s
|}

=== Third Ladle Challenge Board ===

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|[[Anarchic wanderers |AW-A]] || N/A
| rowspan="2" | [[Anarchic wanderers |AW-A]] || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | [[Anarchic wanderers |AW-A]] || rowspan="4" | 1
| rowspan="8" | [[Anarchic wanderers |AW-B]]
|-
|[[Wraith Squadron | WS]] || N/A
|-
|SL || 2
| rowspan="2" | SL || rowspan="2" | 1
|-
|[http://www.crazy-tronners.com CT] || 0
|-
|team 6 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | WPN || rowspan="2" | 1
| rowspan="4" | [[Anarchic wanderers |AW-B]] || rowspan="4" | 2
|-
|[http://wpn.rocks.it WPN] || bye
|-
|team 7 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | [[Anarchic wanderers |AW-B]] || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|[[Anarchic wanderers |AW-B]] || bye
|}

=== Second Ladle Challenge Board ===

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|[[Anarchic wanderers |AW]] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [[Anarchic wanderers |AW]] || rowspan="2" | 3
| rowspan="4" | [[Anarchic wanderers |AW]]
|-
|LØL || 0
|-
|[[Wraith Squadron | WS]] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [[Wraith Squadron | WS]] || rowspan="2" | 0
|-
|[http://www.sp-clan.com ~*SP*~] || 1
|}

=== First Ladle Challenge Board ===

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|[[Anarchic wanderers |AW]] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [[Anarchic wanderers |AW]] || rowspan="2" | 1
| rowspan="4" | SL || rowspan="4" | 2
| rowspan="8" | SL
|-
|[http://www.sp-clan.com ~*SP*~] || 0
|-
|SL || 2
| rowspan="2" | SL || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|LoD || 0
|-
|[[Wraith Squadron | WS]] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [[Wraith Squadron | WS]] || rowspan="2" | bye
| rowspan="4" | [[Wraith Squadron | WS]] || rowspan="4" | 0
|-
|LØL || 1
|-
|team 7 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.crazy-tronners.com CT] || rowspan="2" | N/S
|-
|[http://www.crazy-tronners.com CT] || bye
|}

{{:Ladle/Blurb}}

FAQ

2008-05-10T11:49:24Z

Madmax: Removed typo/added note to OS X install

A number of Frequently Asked Questions about Armagetron Advanced are answered here, with some links to more detailed information.

Please read this list carefully if you are experiencing difficulty with Armagetron, as it is highly likely that someone has had the same problem and already discovered a solution. If your question is already answered here and you ask it again, don't be surprised if you get an abrupt or downright rude response - don't take it personally, it's just that our time is precious.


== Important Notes Regarding the FAQ ==

While this list covers a large number of questions, it is by no means exhaustive. If your question is not answered here, you might try posting it on the [http://forums.armagetronad.net/ Armagetron Forums] or in our [[IRC Channel]]. We do try to give the best answers to any questions asked pretty much regardless of anything else, however be aware of the following guidelines if you are thinking of asking a question:
* Stupid questions will not garner a good response, use common sense. "Why can't I get color on my walls?" would be much better asked as "How do I have a cycle and wall color that are different from each other?".
* Provide as much information as possible relevant to the question, "Why doesn't my server work?" would be better asked as "My server starts, then stops. Here's the errors from the console. Any idea why it's shutting down right away?".
* Further guidance can be found in the article [http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html How To Ask Questions The Smart Way]. ''(Note that these pages are in no way affiliated with Armagetron Advanced and therefore they can't answer your question).''

For the most part, if you can't ask the question in the smartest possible way we'd rather you ask the best way that you can, rather than live in the dark and suffer. Even if you're an idiot, we still want you to be a comfortable idiot.

If you think that your question is in fact a bug report and you've only just started with the game, the chances are it's not. We'll not pretend the game is bug-free, but it is very stable and efficient. The chances that a new player to the game has discovered a previously unknown bug in a stable release are very, very slim. Astronomically slim, in fact. In any case, if you wish to continue thinking you have done so, please start with a question that describes what you see and ends with, "Is this expected behavior?". That's much more likely to get a satisfactory response than, "This game sucks! It has this bug and that bug and it just doesn't work. I downloaded it today for the first time on my Windows box, do you not care about Windows?". Also, since you suspect you found a bug, include all the information a bug report should have. If you're unsure about this, please consult the article [http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html How to Report Bugs Effectively] for the best results. (''Note that the author of this page is in no way affiliated with Armagetron Advanced, and therefore will reject any bug reports you send him about our program.'')

Finally, this FAQ, like all FAQs, is a work in progress. If it's not as big as you're used to seeing, it's because it's probably a younger FAQ than you're used to seeing. That's ok, we'll add to it over time, and it'll get bigger and bigger until the server explodes with so many frequently asked questions that all of the developers decide to pitch in and buy a Caribbean island. Mmm, coconuts.


== About Armagetron Advanced ==

=== What is Armagetron Advanced? ===

Put succinctly, Armagetron is "A Tron clone in 3D". An more detailed explanation can be found on the [[About]] page.

=== What is a client? What is a server? What's the difference? ===

Simply put, the game client is the program you run on your computer. The game server runs on somebody else's computer. The difference between the two is like the difference between, say, a lawyer and his client. The lawyer would be the server, the one who knows all about law and stuff. So the difference is just like in real life where the terms come from. The client requests a service from someone who serves. In our case, that service is a game that is served from a machine running a program called a "server", but if you requested the same service from a person in a casino, you'd still be running a game client.

=== My client can be a server, though, it says so right here. ===

That's not a question. In any case, the game client can act as a server if you press "Host Game" from the Internet Game menu. So technically the client is a client/server hybrid, but let's not get too technical.

=== So are all game servers just clients where people pressed "Host Game"? ===

No. This is where people get really confused, even to the point where they complain to server operators for doing exactly this thing. No, most, if not all, game servers available through the master server run a special version of the program that has no graphical display, and no player can play on directly. That is the server, commonly called a "dedicated server". You can run one too, if you like. Server operators chose to run this instead of the regular game client because it has a number of modifications that make it work better as a regular server, just like a mail server or a web server. It is more convenient and makes for a more reliable game server to do so.


== Running the Game Client ==

=== Where can I download Armagetron Advanced? ===

That depends on what version you want to get. The current stable version is always available [http://www.armagetronad.net/downloads.php on the main web page] or [http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=110997 sourceforge]. The latest testing version on [http://beta.armagetronad.net AABeta]. o 3.2 So, should I get the latest stable or latest development version?

=== Ok, but there are still so many different files to get, which one is right for me? ===

See [[FAQ#Terminology]] for choosing between Client and Server download. If in doubt, choose the Client. If you're running a PC with Windows, get the exe format, GCC or VC6 should not matter (please report it if only one of them works for you). If you've got a Mac, get the dmg; there is a special build available for versions 10.2.8 of OS X. If you're running 32 bit Intel Linux, get the x86(_32) "package". If you're running 64 bit AMD Linux, get the x86_64 "package".

=== I'm running Linux, but don't know whether it is 32 or 64 bit. How can I find out? ===

On a console/terminal, type

echo $MACHTYPE

If the output starts with x86_64, you have a 64 bit system. If it starts with i386, i486, i586 or i686 or possibly just x86 or x86_32, you have a 32 bit system. For anything else, we don't provide binary packages, you have to build from source. If the output is blank, the method failed. Then, see whether you have got the directory /usr/lib64 on your system. If yes, you have a 64 bit system, if no, it's 32 bit.

=== Ok, I've got the file, but how do I install it ===

==== ... on MS Windows ====

Find the exe file you downloaded from the question and answer above this one and double click on it. Answer all dialog boxes with Yes/Next/Finish, whatever applies. On Windows XP, when you first run the game and try to connect to the Internet, a firewall warning may pop up; set it to allow access.

==== ... on Max OS X ====

Mount the dmg file (double click it), and drag the Armagetron Advanced application to your hard-drive.

==== ... on Linux/Unix ====

That depends on the distribution you are running. Check out the [[Linux Distribution Field Report]] for details.

==== I'm working on a Linux PC administered by someone else and don't have the root password, can I still install the game? ====

Yes. The "package" binary files can install everything in your home directory. If you have to build from source, proceed as in the last FAQ,
but pass '--prefix=$HOME/usr' to ./configure and run the game later with
'~/usr/bin/armagetronad', or run the game from the build directory with 'make run'.

==== I run a non-Linux UNIX or Linux on hardware not supported by your binary packages or the binaries don't work, how do I install from source? ====

Basically, you fetch the .tbz2 source archive and do the following as the superuser root

tar -xjf <path to the tbz2 source archive you just fetched>
cd armagetronad-<VERSION>
./configure
make
make install

The configure script will tell you what you are missing. In this mode, you always need the 'development' packages of our dependencies on most distributions.
The [[Linux Distribution Field Report]] may have some hints. Ask us if you get stuck.


== How to Play ==

=== Woah! This is scary, what do I do? ===

The first thing you will be presented with when starting the game is a 'splash screen', pressing any key will then present you with the main menu, which is fairly self-explanatory. If you get stuck on anything in the menus, leave the menu selection highlighted for a short while and an explanation will pop up at the bottom of the screen.

=== What are the controls? ===

All of the controls are completely configurable from the menu system in-game.

=== What do things like rubber, grinding and double binding mean? ===

See the [[Glossary]] page for more information on these terms.

=== Ok, I just got 'core dumped', how do I get better at this? ===

The first place to look for more information is the [[Playing_the_Game]] page.


== Customising the Game ==

=== How do I use a map? ===

Read [[Playing Maps]], and please try to tell us why this question is asked so often and followed by "I read the whole wiki!".

=== What are moviepacks? ===

Moviepacks are downloadable packages that completely change the look of the game. Applying a moviepack to your client can change wall and floor textures, cycle models, trail colours, etc.

=== How do I find / install a moviepack? ===

Read [[Customizing the game]].


== Hosting a server ==

See also: [[#Your Server|Troubleshooting]]

=== Which should I run? The client in hosting mode, or the dedicated server? ===

Generally this depends on how long you want the server to run at a time. If you just want it running when you're playing, run the client in hosting mode, it's easier to deal with. If you're running at a LAN party, you might also want to run the client in hosting mode. But if you want to run a server that operates on the internet, reports to the master server, and runs 24 hours a day, 7 days a week (8 days in a leap week), then you should run the dedicated server.

=== Where are the server sources? ===

The server sources are the same as the client sources. You compile a server from them by giving the additional command line option '<code>--disable-glout</code>' to <code>./configure</code>.

=== How do I start a dedicated server? ===

See the [[Server Administration Guide]] for more information.



== Troubleshooting ==

=== Your Game Client ===

==== ArmagetronAd takes most or all the CPU time, how come? ====

AA takes all the CPU time it needs to simulate and render the scene as fast as you'll allow it to. There are two conditions under which that makes it take almost everything that is available:
* You set your graphics card driver not to wait for VSync. AA will then run at the highest possible framerate and therefore also use all the CPU time available. If you enable the FPS display in the HUD options and it shows more than 100 FPS, then that's your problem.
* When it tells your video card driver to update the screen now, the driver goes into a special CPU-hogging mode until the command is completed, even though all it does is sit around and wait. Both NVidia and ATI drivers are guilty of this. In the "Performance Tweaks" submenu of the graphics settings, there is the "Flush" menu item where you can tweak AA to not issue the problematic command (with possible side effects).

==== I can't seem to get into any internet games, what's wrong? ====

This happens when some part of the network between you and the servers is blocking our network traffic. The guilty party can be your network provider (z-man, for example, can't play over his University WLAN) or an overzealous firewall or router. The list of products used in home networks that we know to be potentially problematic is short:

* Norton. Both "Norton Internet Security" and "Norton 360" have a built in firewall that is active by default, and that firewall is not operating 100% correctly; [[Norton Firewall|see here]] for details and a fix. Note that Norton comes pre-installed on some machines, so you may have it and not even know about it.

We don't know of any routers or other network infrastructure hardware that interferes with Armagetron Advanced in any way, and the built in firewalls of Windows Vista and Windows XP are unproblematic as well.

==== ArmagetronAd is unplayable on my AMD Dual Core X2 System (might affect other Dual Cores) ====

Symptoms:
* The console displays "Timer hick up"
* FPS are usually ok (above 30).
* Might only occur in network games
* Game performance is very bad

At least three solutions for this problem are available:
* To fix this problem use your TaskManager to set ArmagetronAd.exe's cpu affinity to a single CPU.
* Disable Cool & Quite in BIOS
* Install the necessary Microsoft Hotfixes and depending on your System you might have to update your bios and drivers too.
* Install a 0.2.8.3 alpha client.

Links (TODO replace links with links to better instructions!):
* [http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;en-us;896256 Microsoft Knowledge base Article about Q896256]
* [http://www.amd.com/en-us/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_13118,00.html AMD Dual Core Optimizer] The fix is similiar to Microsofts, but only fixes a small part of it. The Microsoft patch also addresses power saving bugs (in Windows XP).

* Details: Armagetron Advanced 0.2.8.x or later uses the high precision timer on Windows if available. This can be a problem on the new Dual Core Systems or malfunctioning Multiprocessor System. The Timer of each core runs at different speeds which results in a jumping timer! The AMD X2 Systems are affected because they have two separate timers for each CPU (Intels Core Duo CPUs share a single timer). The AMD X2 Systems are only affected with Cool & Quite power saving enabled otherwise both cores have the same timer speed. The Windows kernel schedules Armagetron Advanced between both cores which results in a jumping timer form Armagetron perspective.

=== Your Server ===

==== I've started the dedicated server, but I don't see it listed in the master server. What's wrong? ====

You need to add the line

TALK_TO_MASTER 1

to your configuration files to publish your server on the internet. The server needs to be up one or two minutes before it can appear in the server browser, the master server checks whether it is reachable before it gets published.

==== I did that, but my server still is not listed. What else can be wrong? ====

Get your server's IP address; if it is running on the same computer you use for browsing right now, check http://www.whatismyip.com to get it. Fire up the Armagetronad client, enter the internet server browser, wait half a minute, exit the server browser, enter it again, and look for your server's IP. If it appears (having the list sorted by server name my pressing "right" once helps), you really want to ask the question '[[FAQ#I see my server's IP in the master server browser, but it says "Unreachable". What's wrong?|I see my server's IP in the master server browser, but it says "Unreachable". What's wrong?]]'. Otherwise, this is the right section for you. This is also the right section if you see your server just fine, but nobody else does.

If your server is connected to the internet via a router box and not directly via a "modem" of sorts, it is likely that network packages from the internet can't get to your server because the router blocks them. You need to tell your router to forward UDP port 4534 (or whatever SERVER_PORT is set to) to the server. On http://www.portforward.com, there are nice instructions how to do that for a lot of router models. If the UDP port 4534 thing confuses you, just follow [http://www.portforward.com/english/applications/port_forwarding/F-22Lightning3/F-22Lightning3index.htm these instructions for a different game] that uses a similar connection method. Of course, you need to find out what router model you have, some under-the-table-crawling and cable following may be required for that if you can't remember what you bought or got the router from your ISP.

==== My server still isn't listed. This sucks, it's hard to find out where the problem is. What can I do? ====

See [[Server_Administration_Guide#Firewalls|Short Firewall Troubleshooting]] and [[Server_Administration_Guide#Port_forwarding|Short Port Forwarding Troubleshooting]], if this does not solve your problem, read on.

You can ask people to connect to your server directly by giving them [http://www.whatismyip.com your IP] and the port your server is running on. A perfect place to ask is our [[IRC_Channel|IRC]] channel(#armagetron on irc.freenode.org) because you'll get a real-time answer there. Less perfect is the support section of the [http://forums.armagetronad.net forums]; you'll need to make sure your server is up and running when people read your post, which can be well 48 hours after you post it. If people can't connect to your server that way, it means you probably need to set up port forwarding (see last question) correctly.

==== Gaaa! This FAQ is useless! Can't YOU help me get my server up? ====

Sure. Post your trouble on the support section of the [http://forums.armagetronad.net forums]. Be sure to

* describe exactly what you already tried, and please don't just say "everything the FAQ told me"
* state [http://www.whatismyip.com the IP] your server is running on, we need that to check the master server's logs
* state your port if you modified SERVER_PORT
* state your server's name, others need that to check for your server in the browser
* post the complete output of your server from the moment it is started

Without that information, we can't help you.

Setting up a server is complicated sometimes; don't be too shy to admit you didn't understand some part of the process. A lot of trouble comes from people silently skipping steps they don't understand.

==== I see my server's IP in the master server browser, but it says "Unreachable". What's wrong? ====

Probably, the answer is "Nothing is wrong". A bug in some routers or the NAT specifications (at least, that's how Z-Man sees this) causes the response to the server query packet used in the server browser to come from the LAN address of your server, not the public address it was sent to. The packet gets ignored then. A workaround will be available in 0.2.8.3, but right now, that means most people can't see their own servers. Come to the IRC channel (#armagetron on irc.freenode.org) and ask people there if they can see your server.


== When All Else Fails ==

=== My question has not been answered, where do I go now? ===

The first place to try is the Armagetron Support section on the [http://forums.armagetronad.net/ Armagetron Forums], where a great many problems have been discussed and solved. Please remember to read the [http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=1360 welcome post].

Alternatively, you might like to see if there is anyone around in the [[IRC Channel]].

Remember, you are the one requesting help, so be polite.

=== What should I do to increase my chances of getting help? ===

First off, there's a particularly useful 'Search' facility, which is linked to at the top of all forum pages. It is easy and powerful to use, and often will turn up an answer without any delay.

Secondly, provide enough correct information. This is a simple task that will save a lot of trouble for anyone trying to help you.
* What operating system are you running?
* Which version of the client / server are you having problems with?
* What error messages do you get?
* If starting up a server, what's your [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address IP address]?
* ... and so on.

=== What is this IRC channel thing? ===

Internet Relay Chat (IRC) is a type of real-time internet 'chat room', where group communications can take place in different rooms or 'channels'. For more information and how to use the Armagetron channel, have a look at the [[IRC Channel]] page.

[[Category:Game Help]]

AFL :: Fall Season Signup Page

2007-10-04T08:51:57Z

Madmax: KoD signup

[http://durkas.info '''AFL Official Site''']
 
The Fall Season of the AFL will run very similarly to the Summer Season.

== Differences/New Rules ==
* The regular season will be a '''round-robin''' (every team will play against every team)
* '''12''' player roster limit (increased from the old limit of 10 in the Summer Season)
* A maximum of '''6''' players from each team are allowed to be on the grid at once (increased from old limit of 5 in the Summer Season)

== How To Signup ==

Signing up for the Fall Season of the AFL is much easier than before; just add your team to an existing team list, or create a new team:

== Teams List ==
''For each team, please put your desired home server in (parenthesis).'' 
''A list of the available servers can be found [http://durkas.info/afl/servers.php '''here''']*''

=== [http://sp-clan.uni.cc The ~*SPeedeRS*~] (Z-Man's AFL Server ) ===
* PsYkO
* fr34ky
* k3nny
* viper
* Oblivion
* sp33d
* Sasha
* Pez
* Magic
* cyclonub

=== [http://tronicdonkeys.free.fr The Tronic Donkeys] (The Tronic Donkeys AFL Server) ===
* epsy (manager)
* Phantom
* hoop
* longball
* G5
* Bip
* pixel
* freako
* wrtlprnft
* MaZuffeR

=== [http://xclan.armagetron.co.uk -¦×¦-] (¦×¦ Fortress) ===
* Rico
* $ubzero
* Hoax
* FoFo
* Legit
* Flex
* Lazer
* Sticky
* buXbaum
* Wazer

=== [http://dsclan.dl.am ~|DS|~] (Z-Man's AFL Server) ===
* mescalin
* slash
* segv
* cruz
* sunny
* dvdosc
* zion
* gonz
* Jazzy
* plage
* judders
* buc

=== [http://crazy-tronners.com Crazy Tronners] (Crazy Tronners AFL Server) ===
* Owned
* $afari$kater
* CrispyNoodle
* P4
* SeBoL158

=== [http://kod.kingsofthegrid.net Kill or Die] (¦×¦ Fortress) ===
* Durka
* newbie
* Luzifer
* Lackadaisical
* Pavelo
* Zop
* eggcozy
* madmax

=== [http://tr.1c3d.net Twisted Rats] (Wild West =AFL Fortress=) ===
* ~ X ~
* SageLord
* Goodygumdrops
* flash
* 1200
* Dookatee
* Sky
* JJBean
* WarHead

=== [http://www.microbuscity.com Micro Bus City] (Wild West =AFL Fortress=) ===
* ender
* Pi
* Stax
* Starbuck <---noob =P (from legi)
* KillerKitty
* Wolf
* Monk
* Fireman
* Legionnaire (ex-mbc) *possibly might play*

Talk:Kill-or-die

2007-08-14T11:18:03Z

Madmax: /* Unavailability */ /me screwed up

== Unavailability ==

FYI, I'm not going to be available for the match on the 22nd, and I probably won't make it for the 15th either. --[[User:Lackadaisical|Lackadaisical]] 04:01, 4 July 2007 (PDT)

Sorry for not saying anything, really couldn't make it for the last match. --[[User:Madmax|madmax]] 13:32, 23 July 2007 (PDT)

Man... sorry for not showing up. I somehow thought the playoff rounds were played in different days, so I saw round one = "rests", and thought the next would be played next weekend. Got a nice surprise when I saw Luzi's RSS feed today :( Obviously, I'm the only one to blame for not reading the wiki post entirely... Sorry again --[[User:Madmax|madmax]] 04:18, 14 August 2007 (PDT)

== Just a thought? ==

[http://kod.durkadurkaland.com o_O] (Need a banner, but pretty much complete and up to date) --- [[User:Durka|Durka]] 23:05, 4 July 2007 (PDT)
:Looks good Durka <tt>:)</tt> -- [[User:T1|T1]] 02:46, 5 July 2007 (PDT)

Talk:Kill-or-die

2007-07-23T20:32:02Z

Madmax: /* Unavailability */

AFL Spring 2007 Results

2007-07-08T21:57:43Z

Madmax: Part of Kod-Tards result was in the wrong place

{{AFLTbl}}

'''Results of ¦x¦ vs CT:'''

¦x¦ 2 - 0 CT

No recording due to the fact that I was recording and I was idle-kicked before match 1 finished. Sorry about that. No screenies either therefore, but proof can come from Ed's server logs if you really want it. Scores were roughly ¦x¦ 100 - 80 CT, and ¦x¦ 100 - 55 CT. After a mutual vote in the server, Subzero was nominated as the MVP from this game.

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'''Results of KOD vs Tards:''' 
KOD 2 - 0 Tards 
 
Zman made recording and screenshots:
http://kod.durkadurkaland.com/results/1/ 
* Match 1) KOD 100+ - 40 Tards 
* Match 2) KOD 100+ - 20 Tards 
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'''Results of UT1 vs UT2:''' 
UT1 0 - 2 UT2 
 
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Ladle-10/Challenge Board

2007-03-31T12:48:29Z

Madmax: Most likely won't make it on time.

{{Ladle-10}}

The Challenge Board is designed to make the pairing of teams easy for Sunday 1st April with finals at 9pm UTC. You might wish to create a wiki page of for your team or place expected teammates in brackets on the Challenge Board. '''To attempt to achieve ping-parity, a significant change has been made to the provisional server allocations -- check it out!'''
'''Also -- we are going to attempt to have runners up! If your team loses, continue into the semis, and the winners of these will meet in the runners-up final.'''

{| border="2" cellpadding="2" style="text-align:center"
! || UTC/GMT || PST || EST
|-
| '''Quarter Finals''' || 7:30pm || 12:30pm || 3:30pm
|-
| '''Semi Finals''' || 8:15pm || 1:15pm || 4:15pm
|-
| '''Finals''' || 9pm || 2pm || 5pm
|-
|}

All Challenge Boards will be locked at 0:00 am UTC on the day of the event Sunday 1st April.

== Fortress Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is... [http://www.xclan.net.tf ¦x¦clan]
* Team 2 is... [http://www.oops-clan.org °°ps Clan]
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* Team 3 is... [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] --> (k3nNy, PsYkO, fr34ky!, Obli, Omega, Cyclo, Sasha, )
* Team 4 is... [[Tronic Monkeys]] ^TM (2020,...)
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* Team 5 is...
* Team 6 is...
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* Team 7 is... [http://tui.owns.it TuI] Wild West FTW! (Crack, ~ X ~, ketamine, >SmAcK< ) <--more to come
* Team 8 is... (Lackadaisical, newbÍe, Legit, Genki ... [madmax]) (Teamname to be revealed on a later date) (Open team, 150+ ping on WW pre)

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! | Quarter Finals !! | Semi Finals !! | Final
|-
| style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM UTC || style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM UTC || style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM UTC
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | team 1
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ Z-mans Fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | team 2 || style="border-bottom:0px" | team 1/2
|-
||| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ Z-mans Fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | team 3 || style="border-top:0px" | team 3/4
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ fortress cafe''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | team 4 || style="border-bottom:0px" | || style="border-bottom:0px" | team 1/2/3/4
|-
| style="border-right:0px" | || style="border-left:0px; border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px" | || style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ Z-mans fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | team 5 || style="border-top:0px" | || style="border-top:0px" | team 5/6/7/8
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ ¦x¦ Fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | team 6 || style="border-bottom:0px" | team 5/6
|-
| || style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0x" | '''@ wild-west fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | team 7 || style="border-top:0px" | team 7/8
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ wild-west fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | team 8
|}

== Speeders and Crazy Tronners Challenge Board ==

A similar tournament can be run for Speeders and for Crazy Tronners Fortress, to be run on the same day and at the same times. It just needs to be set up by players...

{{Ladle-9}}

Help talk:Contents

2007-03-24T15:55:03Z

Madmax: Anyone knows how to...

Hehe thx for fixing it up nemo.. Should we explain <nowiki> </nowiki> ? I got it from reading what you edited on the other thing i wrote :/..

--TiTnAsS

You probably meant <nowiki></nowiki>. ;-)

Wikipedia and ''the'' MediaWiki wiki have lots of docs on how to use this wiki. I think we should link to them for now.

-- [[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]]

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Sounds good... and ya i did but it cut it out cuz it thought i was telling it to do what it was suppost to do :)..

[[User:TiTnAsS|TiTnAsS]] 16:25, 29 October 2005 (CDT)

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wasnt sure where to ask this, but is there a list of all sysop and ranks and etc? same with registered users? can you make one if not?

[[User:TiTnAsS|TiTnAsS]] 16:25, 29 October 2005 (CDT)

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There's no list, and I don't really think we need one. Well, there are some lists available in the super-secret admin backend, but not much.

[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 16:56, 29 October 2005 (CDT)

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I can't upload media file =_="

after upload its give me "Upload warning
".ogg" is not a recommended image file format."
But i use this tag [[Media:Example.ogg]].
Its work? or i dumb...

--[[User:Ostrich|Ostrich]] 01:30, 7 July 2006 (CEST)

:[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] needs to allow .ogg uploads. I beleive he had to enable .zip uploads. What do you need to upload in .ogg?
-- [[User:Nemostultae|nemostultae]] 04:32, 7 July 2006 (CEST)
:[[User:Ostrich|Ostrich]] Anthem of country !)

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Is there a way to put wiki sections automatically hidden but with a hide/show button like the Contents section? For instance, if there's info needed on a page, but it's not commonly used. --[[User:Madmax|madmax]] 10:55, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

Anarchic wanderers

2007-03-24T13:51:57Z

Madmax: Style edits.

[[Image:anarchic2.jpg]] 

We are evolving. Originally, the Anarchic Wanderers was merely a list of players who wanted to shadowbox fe-clan. Hence, it is not a clan. We managed one game; read about it [[6.3.8.0.5|here]]. We also played in [[THE SPOON]] tournament as one of the strong contenders; we didn't win it... but then again neither did anyone else... 
We were strong contenders in the First Tronic Ladle, and we won the Second and Third.
Because of the anarchic nature of team, team member lists change... everyone is welcome though...

== '''Messages''' ==

;From Van
: Ok this page was getting a little too messy so from now on would anyone who wants to post a message use the talk page.
:To use talk page click on [http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Anarchic_wanderers Discussion] at very top of this page, where I have moved the previous messages, Thank you.

;From Rico
: Created a page to assemble players/discuss for Kings of the grid or other 2007 tournaments.
: Scroll down to find it :)

== [[Strategy Experiments]] ==
This link contains some ideas about the launch, as well as starting positions for team-members...

== Past and Present Players ==
How about instead of the list there is now on the actual page with people saying why they would want to play and when, we have these little lists which anarchic wanderers played in which games. This list would be something like this:

:'''AW vs FE''' - Vahayes, Mazuffer, Kamp, 2020

:'''AW vs SP''' - madmax, Hay-lin, rain, Garisimo, Lackadaisical

:'''AW in the Spoon''' - featherfcuk, madmax, Psyko, Vanhayes, TBL, 2020, Garisimo, Zop, ghableska

:'''AW in the Ladle''' - eggcozy, Vanhayes, Lackadaisical, durka, Zop, Garisimo, 2020, Nii

:'''AW in the Ladle #2''' - meriton, Hay-lin, rain, 2020, Vanhayes

:'''AW vs SP''' - rain, hay-lin, madmax, garisimo and lackadaisical

:'''AW in Ladle #3''' - ghableska, madmax, hay-lin, vanhayes, lackadaisical, garisimo, eggcozy, 2020, mazuffer, alex, sticky, featherfcuk, [[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]]

==Everyone who ever was and may be...==

;PsYkO
:'''MUAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH''' =_+

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;2020
:I want to practice some strategies at the team level... new launches... new ways of breaking... and see if there are some flank tactics or pair tactics that may emerge...
:Started working, so restricted playtime :( ... tell me when and where...
:Skype me: Fidocancan

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;MaZuffeR
:Why? Why not. ;)
:Avaible almost always, preferred times between 4pm and 11pm GMT.

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;Lackadaisical
:Because playing against the people here/people in fe is better than playing against random people.
:Playing whenever, but not always under this name, I guess i'm mostly available between 18PM-01AM GMT

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;ghableska
:Same explanation as MaZ. In addition, it's fun and good practice.
:Weekdays are a bit iffy, but on weekends, I'm fine with 8pm GMT to whenever....
:Skype me: ghableska

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;[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]]
:Why? To have fun of course :)
:Times between 12AM and 4AM GMT are the ones I prefer. I have no skype, you can find me over [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat IRC] on irc://freenode.org on the #armagetron channel, or just /msg me with my regular nick.
:In case MBC is involved in the fight... well, I guess I'll fight for them :)

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;Vanhayes
:Because I Like Fortress, and want to take on the clans, eh.
:Usually availible between 4 pm and 9pm GMT-3, eh.

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;Featherfcuk
:Because I'm a damn addict and I want a stronger fix. Also, I'm tired of the same strategy and would like to try something new..
:Available: usually always.

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;madmax
:For the fun of playing with good players, and against good players. Not some messy random CVS game.
:Usually free from 17:00 GMT and 0:00 GMT, on weekends, 2:00 GMT, or something like that. =)

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;TBL
:Jeffery Lebowski aka "The Dude", Venice Beach, Los Angeles, CA
:The Dude is not the kind of man that likes being tied down, so clans are a no go. Losely based teams however are fine.
:The Dude also enjoys talking about him self in 3rd person, bowling, acid flashbacks and driving around.
:The Dude is also available around evening GMT times, and fortress is his preferred fix.

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;[[User:Durka|Durka]]
:Who: Me
:Why: Because I said so

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;Rico (Formerly known as ~}{Alex}{~)
:Would simply be repeating what people have already said, so I'll stay here and shut up :)
:Playing practically every day but not always under the same nick, but I'm fine with about 6pm to 12GMT - ish. Wednesdays, fridays and saturdays can be a bit iffy.
:MSN me, tcs_ownz_you@hotmail.co.uk

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== Anarchic Wanderers for Kings of the Grid, and Lucifers AFL ==

:[[Armagetron_Fortress_League|Armagetron Fortress League]] wiki page
:[http://www.kingsofthegrid.net Kings of the Grid website]
: Visit [[Talk:Anarchic_wanderers]] to discuss tournaments/matches, and who will be playing and where

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:'''Messages about AFL/KotG'''
:*Ok, this is where the players will be redirected from the Kings of the Grid forum, as I don't want to clutter up Lack's site, heh. I will create new sections as everything develops; for now, theres just a list of the players who have signed up to compete in 2007's tournaments. Once we have 8 players registered I'll put us in for the first KotG/AFL match - '''Rico'''
:*Looking forward to this... '''2020'''
:*Ok I've signed us up for the Armagetron Fortress League. Stick your name down here - [[AFL_Signup]] - '''Rico'''
:*Notice: Van will not be available for the AFL. Lacka is forming his own team for the KotG (idk who he is getting to join yet) and he may not be available in the summer. If you see any old AW-ers, please feel free to direct them here as we could use more people to sign up. Thanks. (PS - I've directed madmax and featherfcuk here already, hopefully they shall sign up) - '''Rico'''
:*I'll play for AW for the Kings of the grid. On AFL I'll try some other team. Diversity ftw :) - '''madmax'''
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== Current 2007 Player List ==

Please add your Game name, Forum name, and another means of contact if anything comes up (Email, MSN, AIM, Skype, etc)

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:'''Name''' - Rico
:'''Forum name''' - Ricochet
:'''Email/MSN''' - tcs_ownz_you@hotmail.co.uk

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:'''name''' - 2020
:'''forum name''' - 2020
:'''email''' - 2020@davidpinto.org

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:'''Name''' - Vanhayes
:'''Forum name''' - Van-hayes
:'''email''' - lamb--chop@hotmail.com

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:'''Name'''—wrtlprnft
:'''Forum name'''—wrtlprnft
:'''Means of contact'''—wrtlprnft on irc.freenode.org, I'm in #armagetron 24/7 and will read any message there that contains my name.

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:'''Name''' - ghableska
:'''Forum name''' - ghableska
:'''Means of contact''' - ghableska on AIM, MSN, Skype and IRC. ghableska@yahoo.com

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:'''Name''' - gArIsImO
:'''Forum name''' - gArIsImO
:'''Means of contact''' - garisimo@aol.com, gdoranian@icginvest.com (to my PDA) fastest way to reach me)!!!!!

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:'''Name''' - madmax
:'''Forum name''' - madmax
:'''Means of contact''' - madmax.ptz at gmail.com (Email/MSN), madmax|pt @ freenode (IRC)

== Matches/results from 2007 ==

:None yet.

Talk:Anarchic wanderers

2007-03-24T13:37:15Z

Madmax: About the edits

;*Use [http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc This] to convert Timzones.
;*History of this talk page [[Anarchic Wanderers history]]

== Forum names/other contact info ==
*Van: Van-hayes, lamb--chop@hotmail.com
*TBL: TBL, My AIM is goodSNsAllTaken, or goodnamesalltaken@gmail.com
*2020: 2020, 2020@davidpinto.org
*feather: featherfcuk, eirikurj@gmail.com
*madmax: madmax, madmax.ptz@gmail.com
*ghableska: Ghableska, ghableska@yahoo.com
*gArIsImO: garismo, garisimo@aol.com
*rain: rain@buio.org
*Hay-Lin: princess@buio.org
*'''~ Rico''': Forum name = Ricochet, MSN/email = tcs_ownz_you@hotmail.co.uk
*Sticky: MSN: trippy_hippy40@hotmail.com
*[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]]: “wrtlprnft” on the forums, <code>wrtlprnft@jabber.org</code> or “wrtlprnft” on <code>irc.freenode.net</code> (i'm in <code>#armagetron</code>)

== Notice ==
:O.K since there is a new ladle coming up, and SP want a match versus AW before that, I thought it would be nice to have a clean talk page. So I have moved the old talk page to a new page, the link to it is at the top of the page. And if you can from now on could you add your signature, it just makes it look better/neater. Thanks.--[[User:Vanhayes|Vanhayes]]
:When posting possible games, date them. Thanks. [[User:2020|2020]]

== TeamChat ==
:The front page looks like a pretty impressive archive, if you ask me. It reminds me of the attitude of how we started. Tricky this... not forming a clan and yet playing in a team. Pity AW weren't in the last Tronic Ladle. I still think it is a good idea, no membership, anyone can join... appealing...--[[User:2020|2020]] 10:05, 6 October 2006 (CDT)

== General Talk ==
: I did some editing on the main page. Trying to make it a bit more readable, didn't change any messages content. --[[User:Madmax|madmax]] 08:37, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

{{Ladle}}

Anarchic wanderers

2007-03-24T13:28:55Z

Madmax: Some rearranging

[[Image:anarchic2.jpg]] 
We are evolving. Originally, the Anarchic Wanderers was merely a list of players who wanted to shadowbox fe-clan. Hence, it is not a clan. We managed one game; read about it [[6.3.8.0.5|here]]. We also played in [[THE SPOON]] tournament as one of the strong contenders; we didn't win it... but then again neither did anyone else...

We were strong contenders in the First Tronic Ladle, and we won the Second and Third.

Because of the anarchic nature of team, team member lists change... everyone is welcome though...

== '''Message''' ==

;From Van
: ok this page was getting a little too messy so from now on would anyone who wants to post a message use the talk page.
:To use talk page click on [http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Anarchic_wanderers Discussion] at very top of this page, where I have moved the previous messages, Thank you.

;From Rico
: created a page to assemble players/discuss for Kings of the grid or other 2007 tournaments.
: scroll down to find it :)

== [[Strategy Experiments]] ==
This link contains some ideas about the launch, as well as starting positions for team-members...

== Past and Present Players ==
How about instead of the list there is now on the actual page with people saying why they would want to play and when, we have these little lists which anarchic wanderers played in which games. This list would be something like this:

;AW vs FE
:Vahayes, Mazuffer, Kamp, 2020

;AW vs SP
:madmax, Hay-lin, rain, Garisimo, Lackadaisical

;AW in the Spoon
:featherfcuk, madmax, Psyko, Vanhayes, TBL, 2020, Garisimo, Zop, ghableska

;AW in the Ladle
:eggcozy, Vanhayes, Lackadaisical, durka, Zop, Garisimo, 2020, Nii

;AW in the Ladle #2
:meriton, Hay-lin, rain, 2020, Vanhayes

;AW vs SP
:rain, hay-lin, madmax, garisimo and lackadaisical

;AW in Ladle #3
:ghableska, madmax, hay-lin, vanhayes, lackadaisical, garisimo, eggcozy, 2020, mazuffer, alex, sticky, featherfcuk, [[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]]

==Everyone who ever was and may be...==

;PsYkO
:'''MUAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH''' =_+

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;2020
:I want to practice some strategies at the team level... new launches... new ways of breaking... and see if there are some flank tactics or pair tactics that may emerge...
:Started working, so restricted playtime :( ... tell me when and where...
:Skype me: Fidocancan

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;MaZuffeR
:Why? Why not. ;)
:Avaible almost always, preferred times between 4pm and 11pm GMT.

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;Lackadaisical
:Because playing against the people here/people in fe is better than playing against random people.
:Playing whenever, but not always under this name, I guess i'm mostly available between 18PM-01AM GMT

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;ghableska
:Same explanation as MaZ. In addition, it's fun and good practice.
:Weekdays are a bit iffy, but on weekends, I'm fine with 8pm GMT to whenever....
:Skype me: ghableska

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;[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]]
:Why? To have fun of course :)
:Times between 12AM and 4AM GMT are the ones I prefer. I have no skype, you can find me over [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat IRC] on irc://freenode.org on the #armagetron channel, or just /msg me with my regular nick.
:In case MBC is involved in the fight... well, I guess I'll fight for them :)

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;Vanhayes
:Because I Like Fortress, and want to take on the clans, eh.
:Usually availible between 4 pm and 9pm GMT-3, eh.

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;Featherfcuk
:Because I'm a damn addict and I want a stronger fix. Also, I'm tired of the same strategy and would like to try something new..
:Available: usually always.

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;madmax
:For the fun of playing with good players, and against good players. Not some messy random CVS game.
:Usually free from 17:00 GMT and 0:00 GMT, on weekends, 2:00 GMT, or something like that. =)

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;TBL
:Jeffery Lebowski aka "The Dude", Venice Beach, Los Angeles, CA
:The Dude is not the kind of man that likes being tied down, so clans are a no go. Losely based teams however are fine.
:The Dude also enjoys talking about him self in 3rd person, bowling, acid flashbacks and driving around.
:The Dude is also available around evening GMT times, and fortress is his preferred fix.

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;[[User:Durka|Durka]]
:Who: Me
:Why: Because I said so

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;Rico (Formerly known as ~}{Alex}{~)
:Would simply be repeating what people have already said, so I'll stay here and shut up :)
:Playing practically every day but not always under the same nick, but I'm fine with about 6pm to 12GMT - ish. Wednesdays, fridays and saturdays can be a bit iffy.
:MSN me, tcs_ownz_you@hotmail.co.uk

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== '''''Anarchic Wanderers for Kings of the Grid, and Lucifers AFL''''' ==

:[[Armagetron_Fortress_League|Armagetron Fortress League]] wiki page
:[http://www.kingsofthegrid.net Kings of the Grid website]
: Visit [[Talk:Anarchic_wanderers]] to discuss tournaments/matches, and who will be playing and where

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:'''Messages about AFL/KotG'''
:*Ok, this is where the players will be redirected from the Kings of the Grid forum, as I don't want to clutter up Lack's site, heh. I will create new sections as everything develops; for now, theres just a list of the players who have signed up to compete in 2007's tournaments. Once we have 8 players registered I'll put us in for the first KotG/AFL match - '''Rico'''
:*Looking forward to this... '''2020'''
:*Ok I've signed us up for the Armagetron Fortress League. Stick your name down here - [[AFL_Signup]] - '''Rico'''
:*Notice: Van will not be available for the AFL. Lacka is forming his own team for the KotG (idk who he is getting to join yet) and he may not be available in the summer. If you see any old AW-ers, please feel free to direct them here as we could use more people to sign up. Thanks. (PS - I've directed madmax and featherfcuk here already, hopefully they shall sign up) - '''Rico'''
:*I'll play for AW for the Kings of the grid. On AFL I'll try some other team. Diversity ftw :) - '''madmax'''
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== Current 2007 Player List ==

Please add your Game name, Forum name, and another means of contact if anything comes up (Email, MSN, AIM, Skype, etc)

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:'''Name''' - Rico
:'''Forum name''' - Ricochet
:'''Email/MSN''' - tcs_ownz_you@hotmail.co.uk

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:'''name''' - 2020
:'''forum name''' - 2020
:'''email''' - 2020@davidpinto.org

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:'''Name''' - Vanhayes
:'''Forum name''' - Van-hayes
:'''email''' - lamb--chop@hotmail.com

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:'''Name'''—wrtlprnft
:'''Forum name'''—wrtlprnft
:'''Means of contact'''—wrtlprnft on irc.freenode.org, I'm in #armagetron 24/7 and will read any message there that contains my name.

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:'''Name''' - ghableska
:'''Forum name''' - ghableska
:'''Means of contact''' - ghableska on AIM, MSN, Skype and IRC. ghableska@yahoo.com

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:'''Name''' - gArIsImO
:'''Forum name''' - gArIsImO
:'''Means of contact''' - garisimo@aol.com, gdoranian@icginvest.com (to my PDA) fastest way to reach me)!!!!!

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:'''Name''' - madmax
:'''Forum name''' - madmax
:'''Means of contact''' - madmax.ptz at gmail.com (Email/MSN), madmax|pt @ freenode (IRC)

== Matches/results from 2007 ==

:None yet.

Anarchic wanderers

2007-03-24T13:08:41Z

Madmax: Added myself to AW's roster for Kings of the Grid.

[[Image:anarchic2.jpg]] 
We are evolving. Originally, the Anarchic Wanderers was merely a list of players who wanted to shadowbox fe-clan. Hence, it is not a clan. We managed one game; read about it [[6.3.8.0.5|here]]. We also played in [[THE SPOON]] tournament as one of the strong contenders; we didn't win it... but then again neither did anyone else...

We were strong contenders in the First Tronic Ladle, and we won the Second and Third.

Because of the anarchic nature of team, team member lists change... everyone is welcome though...

== '''Message''' ==

;From Van
: ok this page was getting a little too messy so from now on would anyone who wants to post a message use the talk page.
:To use talk page click on [http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Anarchic_wanderers Discussion] at very top of this page, where I have moved the previous messages, Thank you.

;From Rico
: created a page to assemble players/discuss for Kings of the grid or other 2007 tournaments.
: scroll down to find it :)

;From madmax
: I'll play for AW for the Kings of the grid. On AFL I'll try some other team. Diversity ftw :)

== [[Strategy Experiments]] ==
This link contains some ideas about the launch, as well as starting positions for team-members...

== Past and Present Players ==
How about instead of the list there is now on the actual page with people saying why they would want to play and when, we have these little lists which anarchic wanderers played in which games. This list would be something like this:

;AW vs FE
:Vahayes, Mazuffer, Kamp, 2020

;AW vs SP
:madmax, Hay-lin, rain, Garisimo, Lackadaisical

;AW in the Spoon
:featherfcuk, madmax, Psyko, Vanhayes, TBL, 2020, Garisimo, Zop, ghableska

;AW in the Ladle
:eggcozy, Vanhayes, Lackadaisical, durka, Zop, Garisimo, 2020, Nii

;AW in the Ladle #2
:meriton, Hay-lin, rain, 2020, Vanhayes

;AW vs SP
:rain, hay-lin, madmax, garisimo and lackadaisical

;AW in Ladle #3
:ghableska, madmax, hay-lin, vanhayes, lackadaisical, garisimo, eggcozy, 2020, mazuffer, alex, sticky, featherfcuk, [[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]]

==Everyone who ever was and may be...==

;PsYkO
'''MUAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH''' =_+

----

;2020
:I want to practice some strategies at the team level... new launches... new ways of breaking... and see if there are some flank tactics or pair tactics that may emerge...
:Started working, so restricted playtime :( ... tell me when and where...
:Skype me: Fidocancan

----

;MaZuffeR
:Why? Why not. ;)
:Avaible almost always, preferred times between 4pm and 11pm GMT.

----

;Lackadaisical
:Because playing against the people here/people in fe is better than playing against random people.
:Playing whenever, but not always under this name, I guess i'm mostly available between 18PM-01AM GMT

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;ghableska
:Same explanation as MaZ. In addition, it's fun and good practice.
:Weekdays are a bit iffy, but on weekends, I'm fine with 8pm GMT to whenever....
:Skype me: ghableska

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;[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]]
:Why? To have fun of course :)
:Times between 12AM and 4AM GMT are the ones I prefer. I have no skype, you can find me over [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat IRC] on irc://freenode.org on the #armagetron channel, or just /msg me with my regular nick.
:In case MBC is involved in the fight... well, I guess I'll fight for them :)

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;Vanhayes
:Because I Like Fortress, and want to take on the clans, eh.
:Usually availible between 4 pm and 9pm GMT-3, eh.

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;Featherfcuk
:Because I'm a damn addict and I want a stronger fix. Also, I'm tired of the same strategy and would like to try something new..
:Available: usually always.

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;madmax
:For the fun of playing with good players, and against good players. Not some messy random CVS game.
:Usually free from 17:00 GMT and 0:00 GMT, on weekends, 2:00 GMT, or something like that. =)

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;TBL
:Jeffery Lebowski aka "The Dude", Venice Beach, Los Angeles, CA
:The Dude is not the kind of man that likes being tied down, so clans are a no go. Losely based teams however are fine.
:The Dude also enjoys talking about him self in 3rd person, bowling, acid flashbacks and driving around.
:The Dude is also available around evening GMT times, and fortress is his preferred fix.

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;[[User:Durka|Durka]]
:Who: Me
:Why: Because I said so

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;Rico (Formerly known as ~}{Alex}{~)
:Would simply be repeating what people have already said, so I'll stay here and shut up :)
:Playing practically every day but not always under the same nick, but I'm fine with about 6pm to 12GMT - ish. Wednesdays, fridays and saturdays can be a bit iffy.
:MSN me, tcs_ownz_you@hotmail.co.uk

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== '''''Anarchic Wanderers for Kings of the Grid, and Lucifers AFL''''' ==

:Ok, this is where the players will be redirected from the Kings of the Grid forum, as I don't want to clutter up Lack's site, heh.

:I will create new sections as everything develops; for now, theres just a list of the players who have signed up to compete in 2007's tournaments.

:[[Armagetron_Fortress_League]] wiki page
:KotG Website - http://www.kingsofthegrid.net
: Visit [[Talk:Anarchic_wanderers]] to discuss tournaments/matches, and who will be playing and where

:Once we have 8 players registered I'll put us in for the first KotG/AFL match

:'''~ Message from Rico'''

:2020 -- looking forward to this...

:'''Ok I've signed us up for the Armagetron Fortress League. Stick your name down here - [[AFL_Signup]] ~ Rico'''

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''': Notice: Van will not be available for the AFL. Lacka is forming his own team for the KotG (idk who he is getting to join yet) and he may not be available in the summer. If you see any old AW-ers, please feel free to direct them here as we could use more people to sign up. Thanks. (PS - I've directed madmax and featherfcuk here already, hopefully they shall sign up)'''
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== Current 2007 Player List ==

'''(Please add your Game name, Forum name, and another means of contact if anything comes up (Email, MSN, AIM, Skype, etc))'''

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:'''Name''' - Rico
:'''Forum name''' - Ricochet
:'''Email/MSN''' - tcs_ownz_you@hotmail.co.uk

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:'''name''' - 2020
:'''forum name''' - 2020
:'''email''' - 2020@davidpinto.org

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:'''Name''' - Vanhayes
:'''Forum name''' - Van-hayes
:'''email''' - lamb--chop@hotmail.com

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:'''Name'''—wrtlprnft
:'''Forum name'''—wrtlprnft
:'''Means of contact'''—wrtlprnft on irc.freenode.org, I'm in #armagetron 24/7 and will read any message there that contains my name.

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:'''Name''' - ghableska
:'''Forum name''' - ghableska
:'''Means of contact''' - ghableska on AIM, MSN, Skype and IRC. ghableska@yahoo.com

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:'''Name''' - gArIsImO
:'''Forum name''' - gArIsImO
:'''Means of contact''' - garisimo@aol.com, gdoranian@icginvest.com (to my PDA) fastest way to reach me)!!!!!

---

:'''Name''' - madmax
:'''Forum name''' - madmax
:'''Means of contact''' - madmax.ptz at gmail dot com (Email/MSN), madmax|pt @ freenode (IRC)

== Matches/results from 2007 ==

:none as yet

Talk:AW for kotg

2007-03-12T12:12:24Z

Madmax: New page?

Wasn't it better to put this in a new section of the old AW page? --[[User:Madmax|madmax]] 07:12, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

Ladle-9/Results

2007-03-04T23:14:25Z

Madmax: /* Feedback for the Ninth Ladle */

{{Ladle-9}}

Write a report on your games, exciting play, team-tactics... and also include any feedback on how to improve the tournament!

== Feedback for the Ninth Ladle ==

;2020
:As usual I played like a brushless broom-handle. Madmax played like a champion, often having to face 2 or three opponents at the end of the round... would like to see a recording of a couple of duels between him and psyko. First round was won by tm 100 to 98... sp won the second easily, and the last went for 100 to 04 i think... Thanks to all players who played for tronic monkeys.
:A couple of suggestions -
::1 although it was disappointing losing, i like the idea of playing again on the same night... can't the losers play, and continue with the same schedule... and there could be a parallel final -- best of the losers?
::2 could we get the results sorted out faster...? with teamscores for each round? just to update the wiki if necessary for players out of the loop...?
::3 are we ok with the long rounds? because defenders are becoming so good, it can go on for a while... perhaps we should adopt reducing zones such as with team sumo? but only for the non-final rounds...?
*How would shrinking zones help anyone but the defender? You'd need zones that conquer themselves for that to work, but that would make it impossible for one player to attack the other if it's 1v1. —[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 15:27, 4 March 2007 (CST)
*yes... perhaps the winzone is necessary for nonfinal rounds... in order for the timing to remain within the realms of feasibility --16:05, 4 March 2007 (CST)
*MaZuffeR pointed out that we could also get rid of shrink. Although a while ago I wouln't agree with that, it seems a good possibility now --[[User:Madmax|madmax]] 17:14, 4 March 2007 (CST)
;Rico
:I wish to point out that during the semi final match between TuI and SS, after about 1 or 2 rounds practically the whole of SP's team joined and constantly asked quetions, bitched, and generally distracted everyone trying to play. Now, I wasnt playing, but I was sat in spec not saying anything. Everyone got very pissed off, and despte almost everyone asking SP to leave, they just sat there in Spec filling up the server and making comments from time to time. Now something similar happened to me in either ladle 7 or 8, when I (as def) was spammed with PM's from various SP members trying to distract me. Now what I'm getting to, is there a way of silencing say, all spectators with one command or automatically kicking people with a certain something in their name (such as a clan tag). Anyway rant over, hopefully youll be able to make something of this. Grats Winners. ~ Rico
;[[User:Durka|Durka]]
:If Wild West isn't used as one of the servers in the next Ladle, then this whole concept isn't fair and then makes it meaningless for us to play. Have we '''ever''' played in an American server in any of the past '''9''' Ladles? No. This isn't fair to us and we're not enjoying this at all. Especially us on the West Coast.

== Previous Winners ==
The [[Ladle-8/Results|Eighth Tronic Ladle]] was won by [http://tui.owns.it TuI ~ Tronners Under the Influence] on Sunday 4th February

The [[Ladle-7/Feedback|Seventh Tronic Ladle]] was won by Speeders on Sunday 7th January

The [[Ladle-6/Feedback|Sixth Tronic Ladle]] was won by [[Team somethingsomething]]

The [[Ladle-5/Feedback|Fifth Tronic Ladle]] was won by [[Tronic Monkeys]] in a closely fought final on 5th November 2006

The [[Ladle-4/Feedback|Fourth Tronic Ladle]] was won by proN00bz on 1st October 2006.

The First [[4 Team Fortress Tourney 1|4 Team Fortress Tournament (4TFT)]] was won by [http://crazy-tronners.com Crazy Tronners (CT)] on Sunday, September 17th, 2006

The [[Ladle-3/Feedback|Third Tronic Ladle]] was won by [[Ladle Winners|Anarchic Wanderers]] on 3rd September 2006.

The First [[International_Tron_World_Cup|Tron World Cup]] took place in July and August 2006 and was won by the United Kingdom. Full scores of the matches are available on the [http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/ Official TWC Site]

The [[Ladle-2/Feedback|Second Tronic Ladle]] was won by [[Ladle Winners|Anarchic Wanderers]] on 29th August 2006.

The [[Ladle-1/Feedback|First Tronic Ladle]] was a fortress tournament with seven teams and was won by [[Ladle Winners|Shadow League]] on 1st July 2006.

The [[THE SPOON|Tronic Spoon]] was a fortress tournament of 87 players arranged into 8 and was won by [[Team somethingsomething]] in March 2006.
|}

== Previous Feedback ==

*[[Ladle-1/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-2/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-3/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-4/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-5/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-6/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-7/Feedback]]

== Previous Results ==
Eighth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
| [http://www.oops-clan.org °°ps] || 1
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.sp-clan.com ~*SP*~] || rowspan="2" | 1
| rowspan="4" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI]
|-
| [http://www.sp-clan.com ~*SP*~] || 2
|-
| [http://www.xclan.net.tf -¦x¦-] || 0
| rowspan="2" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="2" | 3
|-
| [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || 2
|}

Seventh Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
| [http://www.xclan.net.tf -¦x¦-] || 0
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.sp-clan.com ~*SP*~] || rowspan="2" | 3
| rowspan="4" | [http://www.sp-clan.com ~*SP*~]
|-
| [http://www.sp-clan.com ~*SP*~] || 2
|-
| [[Tronic Monkeys]] || 0
| rowspan="2" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="2" | 1
|-
| [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || 2
|}

Sixth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
| [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="4" | 1
| rowspan="8" | [[Team somethingsomething]]
|-
| [http://www.oops-clan.org/ °°ps] || 0
|-
|team 3 || n/a
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || rowspan="2" | 0
|-
| [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || bye
|-
| [[Tronic Monkeys]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Tronic Monkeys]] || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || n/a
|-
| [[Team somethingsomething]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
| team 8 || n/a
|}

Fifth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|team 1 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | WS || rowspan="2" | bye
| rowspan="4" | WS || rowspan="4" | 2
| rowspan="8" | team TM
|-
|team 2 || N/A
|-
|team 3 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | PKC || rowspan="2" | n/s
|-
|team 4 || N/A
|-
|team 5 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TM || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | TM || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || N/A
|-
|team 7 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TuI || rowspan="2" | 1
|-
|team 8 || N/A
|}

Fourth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|WPN || 2
| rowspan="2" | wpn || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | ho || rowspan="4" | 0
| rowspan="8" | proNoobz
|-
|tm || 0
|-
|none || N/A
| rowspan="2" | ho || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|ho || '''bye'''
|-
|st || 2
| rowspan="2" | st || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | pN || rowspan="4" | 2
|-
|ws || 0
|-
|pN || bye
| rowspan="2" | pN || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|TiP || n/s
|}

Third Ladle:

{{Ladle-7}}

Ladle-9/Challenge Board

2007-03-01T14:07:05Z

Madmax: Added myself to the TM roster.

{{Ladle-8}}

The Challenge Board is designed to make the pairing of teams easy for Sunday 4th March with finals at 9pm UTC. You might wish to '''create a wiki page of for your team or place expected teammates in brackets on the Challenge Board.''' There may be a choice of servers to allow predominantly American teams an opportunity to play in a low-ping grid.

{| border="2" cellpadding="2" style="text-align:center"
! || UTC/GMT || PST || EST
|-
| '''Quarter Finals''' || 7:30pm || 11:30am || 2:30pm
|-
| '''Semi Finals''' || 8:15pm || 12:15am || 3:15pm
|-
| '''Finals''' || 9pm || 1pm || 4pm
|-
|}

All Challenge Boards will be locked at 0:00 am UTC on the day of the event Sunday 4th March.

== Fortress Challenge Board ==

* Team 1 is... The FreakZ (fr34ky, freako, Slayer, PTA, Cruz, Plage, Sunnygirl, chat.bot, Xevi)
* Team 2 is... [http://tui.owns.it TuI] (Crack, Kush, Keta, X, GHß, Ossi, Fcuk, eh? ... ) <--more to come
----
* Team 3 is... '''[http://www.xclan.net.tf -¦x¦-]''' (FoFo, Rico, Hoax, Luzifer, $ubzero, Infamous, Sticky, Wazer, Badzilla ...)
* Team 4 is... [[Team_somethingsomething|Team SS]] (newbÍe, Pez, MaZuffeR, pavelo, Lackadaisical, ...)
----
* Team 5 is... '''[http://www.oops-clan.org °°ps]'''
* Team 6 is...
----
* Team 7 is... [[Tronic Monkeys]]^tm (2020, madmax, ... )
* Team 8 is... [http://www.sp-clan.com ~*SP*~] (k3nNy,Ady,Obli,Sasha,Omega

{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! | Quarter Finals !! | Semi Finals !! | Final
|-
| style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM UTC || style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM UTC || style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM UTC
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | team 1
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ Z-mans Fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | team 2 || style="border-bottom:0px" | team 1/2
|-
||| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ Z-mans Fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | team 3 || style="border-top:0px" | team 3/4
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ 2020 team challenge''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | team 4 || style="border-bottom:0px" | || style="border-bottom:0px" | team 1/2/3/4
|-
| style="border-right:0px" | || style="border-left:0px; border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px" | || style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ Z-mans fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | team 5 || style="border-top:0px" | || style="border-top:0px" | team 5/6/7/8
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ wild-west fortress''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | team 6 || style="border-bottom:0px" | team 5/6
|-
| || style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0x" | '''@ fortress cafe''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-bottom:0px" | team 7 || style="border-top:0px" | team 7/8
|-
| style="border-top:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-right:0px" | '''@ fortress cafe''' || style="border-left:0px" | result
|-
| style="border-top:0px" | team 8
|}

== Speeders and Crazy Tronners Challenge Board ==

A similar tournament can be run for Speeders and for Crazy Tronners Fortress, to be run on the same day and at the same times. It just needs to be set up by players...

{{Ladle-9}}

User talk:Madmax

2007-03-01T14:05:28Z

Madmax: Responded to 2020. Added signature.

hi madmax... would love to have you on the team... could you stick your name on the challenge board...? i won't be playing much this week, so if you see others, ask them... i think zman wanted to play in the 8th... [[User:2020|2020]] 18:49, 27 February 2007 (CST)
:Sure :) --[[User:Madmax|madmax]] 08:05, 1 March 2007 (CST)

Talk:Tronic Monkeys

2007-02-28T00:15:45Z

Madmax: Playing for TM

{{Ladle-4}}
This is our mind-quarters, the source™.

We recruit not for a clan, but merely to form a team for Tronic competitions. We train not for a clan, but to prepare for Tronic competitions. We play not for a clan, we play for the fun of it, seriously™. There is no external identity, no groupness, merely a team that grinds on the grid.

We may not be the best players, but we play as a team...

Looking for team-mates...

=== ladle-9 ===

I can play for TM this ladle :) If there's enough people I guess... --[[User:Madmax|madmax]] 18:15, 27 February 2007 (CST)

=== ladle-6 ===

Well, it would be nice to know who is going to turn up on the night, 3rd december,...
*I'll try to…—[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 13:01, 19 November 2006 (CST)
*hurrah! there was quite a lot of chat about it on the grid the other day, might be a good one...[[User:2020|2020]] 13:16, 19 November 2006 (CST)

=== ladle-5 ===

Looks like we have three players listed for the ladle this sunday: onetronicmonkey, rain, legit. The trouble is, I don't have contact details for legit, and neither of them check this teampage.... oh dear....

Based on the performance in our first match, we are going to get gubbed, unless suddenly people take an interest in team-play!

:joda: I might play for the tronic monkeys, if SP doesn't join the fray or allows me to help you guys out. --[[User:Joda|Joda]] 06:17, 31 October 2006 (CST)

::hurrah, hurray... we have a might, ladies and gentelmen! heheh, sure... could do with a player of your calibre--[[User:2020|2020]] 10:43, 31 October 2006 (CST)

Ladle Feedback

2007-01-08T17:47:58Z

Madmax: /* Feedback for the Seventh Ladle */ Missing word

{{Ladle-7}}

Please write your comments below about your experience of the event. You can also add comments about how it could be better... This information may be useful for anyone who tries to do such a thing again... We have to discuss stuff so that decisions made...

== Feedback for the Seventh Ladle ==
;Legit
: For starters, that was the worst ladle ive ever played. We organized a team and then when we played all positions etc... were all fucked up and hyphy i asked him to lay off def cus hes always too close and he still does it and fucked def once again. And as for redice little oops noob tking our whole team, at least 5 players in one round! And was unfair for that and also because the admin wasnt very good at locking a server cause some noob joined our team and fucked our whole team up as well. all this i will probably not play for TM anymore. And as for the finals was pretty good match to watch but tui was definantly the better team as watching how SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone. It was also funny when SP members would tell tui people to stfu and talk shit to them when they won but was also funny when pysko got all mad when someone got in his def and said it was a bullshit win for tui, next ladle should be handled better then this one.

;2020
: I forgot I was meant to be harsher with team entry. Most of us gathered and got the team organised. Then we started our game again TuI, and hyph refused to stay in midfield and got involved with def. I tried to tighten us up as a team, and for the first time issued a threat... which didn't go well with some members of the team who weren't aware of the havoc at the back. We lost the first match. And in the second, new players entered the server, a player using a familiar team name team-killed, and wrtl was constantly asked to admin the game -- and he was our defender! I didn't get into any kind of groove, played like a noob. What a mess.
:No idea what to do. I try to make it as clear as possible on the challenge board, and people seem confused about when it starts etc. I canjust about handle that, but not try to organise a team as well. I just want to play in a good game!!!!!!!!
;[[User:Durka|Durka]]
:The organization was a bit spectacle this time because of the games being delayed by 45 minutes. Otherwise everything went smoothly.

:About the finals, I didn't really care that it was 6 on 8 and they had a 2 man advantage, but what really pissed me off, was that it was 1-1 and in the 3rd match while the score was 76-70 their lead, the winzone popped up. We even had a one man advantage I belive at that point. They took the winzone and that boosted the score to 86-70. We could have easily won that match. Then, to top it off, they holed me (I was def) and went in and got the zone (using their 2 man advantage made it quite impossible to stop them while in the zone). Them winning that match completely turns around the entire finals. Instead of being 2-1 us, its 2-1 them. Then, in the 4th match, it was definately getting close, and it was 96-88 in the final round, and for the 10th time in the finals, I got holed by ~*SP*~ and they took the match.

:My point I'm trying to make is that:
:*There should be no winzone what so ever
:*I know we've talked about this before, but as long as a team gets at least 5 or 6 players there, the other team should at least cut 1 person. I'm fine with a one-man advantage & I'm also fine with a two-man advantage, or even 3, but if they use those extra men to hole the defense 10 times throughout 4 matches, then that (in my mind) is a bit unfair.

;'''Rico'''
:I dont mind doing it in a reg game, but in a serious tourney, when I'm trying to def against 4 attackers, I dont take kindly to the rest of the opposing team spamming me with messages to put me off. I'd have ignored them, but when theres so much spam it takes up half your screen and you have to play with only 10 fps anyway, it kinda pissed me off.

:Not that I was playing well anyway as it happens, but when I'm subject to "omg, our def sucks, alex you made us lose" etc etc criticism from my OWN TEAM because I was being distracted multiple ways... I do happen to get annoyed.

:Whatever, I'll still be taking part in some events in the future. Just remind me to silence the WHOLE of the opposition.

;AshitakA
:I just want to admit that it wasn’t redice, who played at the end. He abused his name like 2020 already said. What a bummer! He hadn’t the courage to make it with his own name. Anyway, for the next ladle I want to mention the idea to let teams also play for the 3rd and 4th or 5th and 6th place. It wouldn’t take much more time, because they play at the same time as the final would be. At the moment there are enough fort server online to realise this idea. Maybe you can include it into the ladle system.

;k3nNy
:Sp had a good setup, a good team with good team organisation. i think it is sad that no one here can gratulate sp for winning the ladle but instead some of you are searching for excuses why sp shouldnt have won the ladle. first: legit. hey dude, you say sp wasnt good as tui? i think thats kinda odd when you watch the field domination sp had during the finals. sp played with 2-3 defensive players and they didnt have much to do. sp was playing with 5 offensive players. so if you count those 5 offensive players + the defensive tui players you get quite much players dont u? so isnt it then a logical outcome that there is a quite high percentage for the defence of being holed by a dying player? so legit, tell me 1 person who wouldnt use a hole in the finals of the ladle. "SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone" --> this sounds for me that u accuse sp for holling on purpuse, which wasnt at all.
:well then about the winzone... first of all: as always i think it should be disabled too.
:then to the situation: durka, it was a 2 on 2 situation, 1 sp attacking against 2 doubledefending tuis (which made it impossible for the attacker to do sth), 1 sp staying in the back in case the attacker dies. how long did that situation last? how long could it have been lasting. well i was the one in the back, probably grinding myself for the 30st time in a row, waiting for sth to happen. first i thought aw dam winzone wth are you doin here. then i thought what the heck. so i think the first time i took a winzone because i was gettin that bored back in there! i just wanted that round to be over, i didnt care if tui would have taken it.
:oh and back to legit again: sp members well telling tui members to shut up because they were whining non stop. its a ladle final, so please be a man, play it and loose it or win it. congratulations sps!
:btw. exept i think the winzone should be disabled by default, i think this ladle was fine as usual.

;Legit
:LoL kenny, fine speech but TUI is definantly were better players. Just by knowing some of the members in tui and i dont even know most of them and i knew all SP that were playing TUI has definantly better team. Who did you have? Pysko and Sasha and uhh who else...? LoL anyways, if you were so bored of the ladle match and wanted to get the winzone then why the fuck are you playing in the ladle if its boring?!?! You had a player HellBlade who didnt even get to play and wanted to and you sat there being bored playin it when someone else in your clan could had actually enjoyed it? Your excuses are lame and you know you were afraid sp was going to loose cause TUI was a better team that why you really got the winzone.

;fr34ky
:LoL Legit, nice offenses but SP just won with all allowed methods, using no cheats. Holes were allowed, so we used them...a Winzone was there too, k3nNy used it and i agree with him! At first...it's really boring back there, and you know why it was boring? - No, not because Ladle is so boring, it was because no TuI attacked us...and why didnt they attack us? Hmmm, i think you know the answer. Oh and k3nNy had no chance to see any TuI not using the winzone...so he couldnt know TuI didnt want to use it. Congratulations Speeders, nice Ladle for us and certainly many other Players (except you Legit :->)
:greets, fr34ky

;k3nNy
:you must have been in another match legit, because i didnt have one single time the feeling tui was going to win. they had a good comeback to 1-1 but that was it. sp was the best team yesterday, because they acted like a team. good teamplay etc. made us strong. we didnt care about "players" like you do. everyone had their job, and everyone did it great. the reason why hellblade couldnt play is because he is an offensive player too, and we were already playing with 5 offensive players with psyko and me in defence (and obli), though we are normally both offensive players too. still i wont force anyone in a good playing team to sit out.
:and to you legit, please stop your whining and complaining all the time. that prejudiced whining of you is goin on my nerves. if you loose you loose, then stand to it. maybe you will win next time again, who knows. but stop that prejeduce stuff like: oh sp used holes, they certainly did that on purpurse. oh k3nny said he got bored that round, in that case he certainly thought the whole ladle was boring ?!? if you dont get it dude, go and watch the replay of that round, maybe in 10 years you will understand it when ur mature enough.

;'''Rico'''
:Funny that no-one has replied to my comment about the purposeful distractions. Of course it doesn't matter, as all of you would deny it anyway.

:Anyway, grats, even though winzoning is the lamest way to win ever, just an unparallelled level of chicken-ness. And ok, holing is fine, but when its like 5 on 1 and someone holes on purpose, thats annoying. As a defender, I have to deal with it all the time.

:Thats my piece, any comments about the purposeful distractions would be much appreciated. Thanks

;PsYkO
:How about a "congratz"?

;madmax
:First of all, congratz. I pretty much know nothing more about what happened so...
:The main thing I see is that always playing a knockout competition is not a good thing. It gets too... usual. I think some kind of championship competition and making the ladles more spaced (two/threee months maybe more?) would be a nice idea.
:I think in a knockout system it sure proves who was the best team then, but hey, what if a team who lost one game would win against all other teams? What if they were having a bad day? Having a championship (point based) would be IMHO a good idea. Perhaps that whole thought of "Kings Of the Grid"... After all, theres already a domain :)
:Also, it would benefit teams that consistently make good games, not only "that day" with "that conditions" with "..."

== Previous Feedback ==

*[[Ladle-1/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-2/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-3/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-4/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-5/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-6/Feedback]]

== Previous Results ==
Sixth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
| [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="4" | 1
| rowspan="8" | [[Team somethingsomething]]
|-
| [http://www.oops-clan.org/ °°ps] || 0
|-
|team 3 || n/a
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || rowspan="2" | 0
|-
| [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || bye
|-
| [[Tronic Monkeys]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Tronic Monkeys]] || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || n/a
|-
| [[Team somethingsomething]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
| team 8 || n/a
|}

Fifth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|team 1 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | WS || rowspan="2" | bye
| rowspan="4" | WS || rowspan="4" | 2
| rowspan="8" | team TM
|-
|team 2 || N/A
|-
|team 3 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | PKC || rowspan="2" | n/s
|-
|team 4 || N/A
|-
|team 5 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TM || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | TM || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || N/A
|-
|team 7 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TuI || rowspan="2" | 1
|-
|team 8 || N/A
|}

Fourth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|WPN || 2
| rowspan="2" | wpn || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | ho || rowspan="4" | 0
| rowspan="8" | proNoobz
|-
|tm || 0
|-
|none || N/A
| rowspan="2" | ho || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|ho || '''bye'''
|-
|st || 2
| rowspan="2" | st || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | pN || rowspan="4" | 2
|-
|ws || 0
|-
|pN || bye
| rowspan="2" | pN || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|TiP || n/s
|}

Third Ladle:

{{Ladle-7}}

Ladle Feedback

2007-01-08T17:44:26Z

Madmax: /* Feedback for the Seventh Ladle */ Added mine.

{{Ladle-7}}

Please write your comments below about your experience of the event. You can also add comments about how it could be better... This information may be useful for anyone who tries to do such a thing again... We have to discuss stuff so that decisions made...

== Feedback for the Seventh Ladle ==
;Legit
: For starters, that was the worst ladle ive ever played. We organized a team and then when we played all positions etc... were all fucked up and hyphy i asked him to lay off def cus hes always too close and he still does it and fucked def once again. And as for redice little oops noob tking our whole team, at least 5 players in one round! And was unfair for that and also because the admin wasnt very good at locking a server cause some noob joined our team and fucked our whole team up as well. all this i will probably not play for TM anymore. And as for the finals was pretty good match to watch but tui was definantly the better team as watching how SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone. It was also funny when SP members would tell tui people to stfu and talk shit to them when they won but was also funny when pysko got all mad when someone got in his def and said it was a bullshit win for tui, next ladle should be handled better then this one.

;2020
: I forgot I was meant to be harsher with team entry. Most of us gathered and got the team organised. Then we started our game again TuI, and hyph refused to stay in midfield and got involved with def. I tried to tighten us up as a team, and for the first time issued a threat... which didn't go well with some members of the team who weren't aware of the havoc at the back. We lost the first match. And in the second, new players entered the server, a player using a familiar team name team-killed, and wrtl was constantly asked to admin the game -- and he was our defender! I didn't get into any kind of groove, played like a noob. What a mess.
:No idea what to do. I try to make it as clear as possible on the challenge board, and people seem confused about when it starts etc. I canjust about handle that, but not try to organise a team as well. I just want to play in a good game!!!!!!!!
;[[User:Durka|Durka]]
:The organization was a bit spectacle this time because of the games being delayed by 45 minutes. Otherwise everything went smoothly.

:About the finals, I didn't really care that it was 6 on 8 and they had a 2 man advantage, but what really pissed me off, was that it was 1-1 and in the 3rd match while the score was 76-70 their lead, the winzone popped up. We even had a one man advantage I belive at that point. They took the winzone and that boosted the score to 86-70. We could have easily won that match. Then, to top it off, they holed me (I was def) and went in and got the zone (using their 2 man advantage made it quite impossible to stop them while in the zone). Them winning that match completely turns around the entire finals. Instead of being 2-1 us, its 2-1 them. Then, in the 4th match, it was definately getting close, and it was 96-88 in the final round, and for the 10th time in the finals, I got holed by ~*SP*~ and they took the match.

:My point I'm trying to make is that:
:*There should be no winzone what so ever
:*I know we've talked about this before, but as long as a team gets at least 5 or 6 players there, the other team should at least cut 1 person. I'm fine with a one-man advantage & I'm also fine with a two-man advantage, or even 3, but if they use those extra men to hole the defense 10 times throughout 4 matches, then that (in my mind) is a bit unfair.

;'''Rico'''
:I dont mind doing it in a reg game, but in a serious tourney, when I'm trying to def against 4 attackers, I dont take kindly to the rest of the opposing team spamming me with messages to put me off. I'd have ignored them, but when theres so much spam it takes up half your screen and you have to play with only 10 fps anyway, it kinda pissed me off.

:Not that I was playing well anyway as it happens, but when I'm subject to "omg, our def sucks, alex you made us lose" etc etc criticism from my OWN TEAM because I was being distracted multiple ways... I do happen to get annoyed.

:Whatever, I'll still be taking part in some events in the future. Just remind me to silence the WHOLE of the opposition.

;AshitakA
:I just want to admit that it wasn’t redice, who played at the end. He abused his name like 2020 already said. What a bummer! He hadn’t the courage to make it with his own name. Anyway, for the next ladle I want to mention the idea to let teams also play for the 3rd and 4th or 5th and 6th place. It wouldn’t take much more time, because they play at the same time as the final would be. At the moment there are enough fort server online to realise this idea. Maybe you can include it into the ladle system.

;k3nNy
:Sp had a good setup, a good team with good team organisation. i think it is sad that no one here can gratulate sp for winning the ladle but instead some of you are searching for excuses why sp shouldnt have won the ladle. first: legit. hey dude, you say sp wasnt good as tui? i think thats kinda odd when you watch the field domination sp had during the finals. sp played with 2-3 defensive players and they didnt have much to do. sp was playing with 5 offensive players. so if you count those 5 offensive players + the defensive tui players you get quite much players dont u? so isnt it then a logical outcome that there is a quite high percentage for the defence of being holed by a dying player? so legit, tell me 1 person who wouldnt use a hole in the finals of the ladle. "SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone" --> this sounds for me that u accuse sp for holling on purpuse, which wasnt at all.
:well then about the winzone... first of all: as always i think it should be disabled too.
:then to the situation: durka, it was a 2 on 2 situation, 1 sp attacking against 2 doubledefending tuis (which made it impossible for the attacker to do sth), 1 sp staying in the back in case the attacker dies. how long did that situation last? how long could it have been lasting. well i was the one in the back, probably grinding myself for the 30st time in a row, waiting for sth to happen. first i thought aw dam winzone wth are you doin here. then i thought what the heck. so i think the first time i took a winzone because i was gettin that bored back in there! i just wanted that round to be over, i didnt care if tui would have taken it.
:oh and back to legit again: sp members well telling tui members to shut up because they were whining non stop. its a ladle final, so please be a man, play it and loose it or win it. congratulations sps!
:btw. exept i think the winzone should be disabled by default, i think this ladle was fine as usual.

;Legit
:LoL kenny, fine speech but TUI is definantly were better players. Just by knowing some of the members in tui and i dont even know most of them and i knew all SP that were playing TUI has definantly better team. Who did you have? Pysko and Sasha and uhh who else...? LoL anyways, if you were so bored of the ladle match and wanted to get the winzone then why the fuck are you playing in the ladle if its boring?!?! You had a player HellBlade who didnt even get to play and wanted to and you sat there being bored playin it when someone else in your clan could had actually enjoyed it? Your excuses are lame and you know you were afraid sp was going to loose cause TUI was a better team that why you really got the winzone.

;fr34ky
:LoL Legit, nice offenses but SP just won with all allowed methods, using no cheats. Holes were allowed, so we used them...a Winzone was there too, k3nNy used it and i agree with him! At first...it's really boring back there, and you know why it was boring? - No, not because Ladle is so boring, it was because no TuI attacked us...and why didnt they attack us? Hmmm, i think you know the answer. Oh and k3nNy had no chance to see any TuI not using the winzone...so he couldnt know TuI didnt want to use it. Congratulations Speeders, nice Ladle for us and certainly many other Players (except you Legit :->)
:greets, fr34ky

;k3nNy
:you must have been in another match legit, because i didnt have one single time the feeling tui was going to win. they had a good comeback to 1-1 but that was it. sp was the best team yesterday, because they acted like a team. good teamplay etc. made us strong. we didnt care about "players" like you do. everyone had their job, and everyone did it great. the reason why hellblade couldnt play is because he is an offensive player too, and we were already playing with 5 offensive players with psyko and me in defence (and obli), though we are normally both offensive players too. still i wont force anyone in a good playing team to sit out.
:and to you legit, please stop your whining and complaining all the time. that prejudiced whining of you is goin on my nerves. if you loose you loose, then stand to it. maybe you will win next time again, who knows. but stop that prejeduce stuff like: oh sp used holes, they certainly did that on purpurse. oh k3nny said he got bored that round, in that case he certainly thought the whole ladle was boring ?!? if you dont get it dude, go and watch the replay of that round, maybe in 10 years you will understand it when ur mature enough.

;'''Rico'''
:Funny that no-one has replied to my comment about the purposeful distractions. Of course it doesn't matter, as all of you would deny it anyway.

:Anyway, grats, even though winzoning is the lamest way to win ever, just an unparallelled level of chicken-ness. And ok, holing is fine, but when its like 5 on 1 and someone holes on purpose, thats annoying. As a defender, I have to deal with it all the time.

:Thats my piece, any comments about the purposeful distractions would be much appreciated. Thanks

;PsYkO
:How about a "congratz"?

;madmax
:First of all, congratz. I pretty know nothing more about what happened so...
:The main thing I see is that always playing a knockout competition is not a good thing. It gets too... usual. I think some kind of championship competition and making the ladles more spaced (two/threee months maybe more?) would be a nice idea.
:I think in a knockout system it sure proves who was the best team then, but hey, what if a team who lost one game would win against all other teams? What if they were having a bad day? Having a championship (point based) would be IMHO a good idea. Perhaps that whole thought of "Kings Of the Grid"... After all, theres already a domain :)
:Also, it would benefit teams that consistently make good games, not only "that day" with "that conditions" with "..."

== Previous Feedback ==

*[[Ladle-1/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-2/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-3/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-4/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-5/Feedback]]
*[[Ladle-6/Feedback]]

== Previous Results ==
Sixth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
| [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || 2
| rowspan="2" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | [http://tui.owns.it TuI] || rowspan="4" | 1
| rowspan="8" | [[Team somethingsomething]]
|-
| [http://www.oops-clan.org/ °°ps] || 0
|-
|team 3 || n/a
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || rowspan="2" | 0
|-
| [http://www.sp-clan.com SP] || bye
|-
| [[Tronic Monkeys]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Tronic Monkeys]] || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || n/a
|-
| [[Team somethingsomething]] || bye
| rowspan="2" | [[Team somethingsomething]] || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
| team 8 || n/a
|}

Fifth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|team 1 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | WS || rowspan="2" | bye
| rowspan="4" | WS || rowspan="4" | 2
| rowspan="8" | team TM
|-
|team 2 || N/A
|-
|team 3 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | PKC || rowspan="2" | n/s
|-
|team 4 || N/A
|-
|team 5 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TM || rowspan="2" | 2
| rowspan="4" | TM || rowspan="4" | 3
|-
|team 6 || N/A
|-
|team 7 || N/A
| rowspan="2" | TuI || rowspan="2" | 1
|-
|team 8 || N/A
|}

Fourth Ladle:
{| border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" rules="all" style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0; border:solid 1px black; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:95%; empty-cells:show; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" | Quarter Finals !! colspan="2" | Semi Finals !! colspan="2" | Final !! | Winner
|-
| colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 7:30 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 8:15 PM GMT || colspan="2" style="border-bottom:3px double" | 9:00 PM GMT || style="border-bottom:3px double" |
|-
|WPN || 2
| rowspan="2" | wpn || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | ho || rowspan="4" | 0
| rowspan="8" | proNoobz
|-
|tm || 0
|-
|none || N/A
| rowspan="2" | ho || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|ho || '''bye'''
|-
|st || 2
| rowspan="2" | st || rowspan="2" | 0
| rowspan="4" | pN || rowspan="4" | 2
|-
|ws || 0
|-
|pN || bye
| rowspan="2" | pN || rowspan="2" | 2
|-
|TiP || n/s
|}

Third Ladle:

{{Ladle-7}}

Talk:Ladle-5/Challenge Board

2006-10-30T09:49:41Z

Madmax: About the ladle#5 servers

in the fortress tournament do we have to play in the servers that you have put there? its just that in 2020's, z man's bugfarm or wild fortress european players have over 200 ping...--Ady 04:43, 29 October 2006 (CST)

2020's server and Z-Man's are some of the best servers for europeans... Wildwest is not though. --[[User:Madmax|madmax]] 03:49, 30 October 2006 (CST)

Talk:SteveTaylor

2006-10-03T11:27:53Z

Madmax: /* Lessons */

I want to join... hheheh Looking good lack...--[[User:2020|2020]] 11:13, 9 September 2006 (CDT)

Don't know if you guys saw, but Durka placed links for the 4 Team Fortress tourney everywhere. Well, there was one on the team page too, asking if we were interested, which I removed. Just a notice. --[[User:Madmax|Madmax]] 18:09, 29 September 2006 (CDT)

== what we need to do better ==

I just watched my recording from our semi final again. I think the chief reason for us losing were:

- no coordination
- bad grind; they were always faster rsp. we split too late
- no team leader to change strategy on the fly (no one thought of a tactic to permit efficient attack and could cause that to happen)
- relieving a good goalie by a less good one when the _offense_ does not work
- stopping offense (that never works imho. but we could only have stopped taking risks in the offense and tried to split earlier to counter their speed advantage)

=== Lessons ===
* We should practice before the tourney.
* We should assign responsibilities (offense coordinator, defense coordinator) prior to the match and not change them during it. (the executing person can change, of course).
* We should agree on tactical matters such as the function of a sweeper. There are two variants:
*# the sweeper must keep attackers away from the goalie. Only after he is dead can they get through
*# the sweeper should delay attackers until the goalie has set up, let them through in small doses, and squezze them against the goalie's wall to kill them (and be prepared to take half the zone if the goalie is cut)
* in my opinion, 2. is much better, as the attackers have to deal with two of us at once instead of one at a time.

[[User:Meriton|Meriton]] 17:16, 1 October 2006 (CDT)

Your thoughts?

: I'm not sure if you know what their defence looked like. They had SeBoL158 making a box where he overlapped his own tail a lot. Newbie was sweeping (one of the best sweepers). In my opinion there is not much point in me cruising around their zone when there is virtually no chance to conquer it. I felt useless attacking so I suggested that we would try without attackers. About sweepers; the difference between the two variants is very small. It's impossible to stop a good attacker from reaching the defender, so the first variant will become the second one quite fast when the attackers are good. If you felt that you were doing a good job as a goalie (which you were in my opinion) you should have said so and not let Lackadaisical take over. Personally I don't think it's worth the hassle to set up trainings and assign responsibilities for just a couple of games, I just play because it's fun, don't care much about the results in the end. --[[User:MaZuffeR|MaZuffeR]] 18:23, 1 October 2006 (CDT)

:: I know what their defense looked like. I was there once, and watched the replay. Crusing around their zone has a point: It occupies both the goalie and the sweeper. If we don't attack, that very same skilled sweeper will dogfight close to our fortress, putting stress on our defense. But I think the main reason is that some attacking assigns clearer areas of responsibility. We'd be less likely to have redundant defense walls or step on each other's toes. I am not saying the offense did a poor job; I agree their defense was very skilled. But all of us sweeping did not seem to work any better than the attacks we made in the beginning. [[User:Meriton|Meriton]] 19:46, 1 October 2006 (CDT)

::: The few rounds I had time to look, newbie was staying quite close to their zone until a few of us had died even if no one of us was attacking. I would of course have started attacking if I had noticed SeBoL158 being alone or our defence not having any problems with the attackers. I agree that everyone sweeping didn't work any better than me attacking, but we were losing and we had to change our tactic in some way. --[[User:MaZuffeR|MaZuffeR]] 07:56, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

:: I think the difference between the two variants is important. I don't agree that variant 1 usually turns into variant 2. Just as often, the sweeper takes risks and dies. I agree I should not have let lacka take over.

:: You did not say anything about the grind/split. Was my impression of too little speed/too late a break correct? [[User:Meriton|Meriton]] 19:46, 1 October 2006 (CDT)

::: From what I rememeber the grind/split was fine, not great, but fine. In my opinion we did not lose the match because of bad grinding or splitting too late. I can't remember them ever reaching our zone before you had set up, which should be enough to win matches. --[[User:MaZuffeR|MaZuffeR]] 07:56, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

: Actually I did ask for change of tactic but it's hard to give commands when you are playing the game at the same time. I think if one of the wings double grinded (the one without the def on their side) and the other split soon, we could've overtook them on one side and attack their base fast, hopefully before sebol has set up his def. Holers did a good job their first match against pronoobz because they could disrupt sebols def by either overtaking the wings or do a center attack. Another thing we could've done was torpedo sebol, but we would still need to make sure newbie was dead and a torpedo is risky when you only have five people on a team since you need three people to make sure it works. The reason i wanted to take def was because i saw people get into the def because you had a gap, but it's true i did a worse job. Personally I'd rather had someone mimicing sebols def on our side.
: We could've done with more preparation before the match, and i already had the idea but i was too late (just a few minutes before the first match would start) to set things up properly. About practice, how about i try and arrange a 'revenge' match with pronoobz? Who would be up for that? --[[User:Lackadaisical|Lackadaisical]] 19:01, 1 October 2006 (CDT)

:: My defense speciality is sumo defense, so that's what I tried to do. That defense works just as well (actually I think it's better) if executed right, but requires a different separation of roles than endless spinning à la sebol. Alas, we had never before talked about that, otherwise, the defense would have worked a lot better. I acknowledge that my defense was not perfect, and in the 5 rounds before you took over, I lost 2 rounds to cut attacks. I lost 1 rounds in a tight fight against two opponents and 1 due to the misunderstanding where Lack killed me and himself. The round we won was when only 3 opponents and I were left and I killed all 3. But the analysis shows that the offense had a problem, not the defense. (In most rounds, I failed after you all died). So wanting defense was premature IMHO, and me granting it was out of a wrong sense of politeness. Anyway, I think we have learned from this what we can.

:: A revenge match sounds interesting. [[User:Meriton|Meriton]] 19:46, 1 October 2006 (CDT)

:: I try to take part in a revenge match if you can arrange one at a suitable time (I'm away next weekend). Hopefully I'll have a better day than yesterday when/if this happens. --[[User:MaZuffeR|MaZuffeR]] 07:56, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

::: I'm up for that match. Best time for me is around 9/10PM GMT on pretty much any day (as long as it's settled with time). --[[User:Madmax|Madmax]] 06:27, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

Ladle-4/Team List

2006-09-29T23:12:32Z

Madmax: Created link to my user page

{{Ladle-4}}

The Fourth Tronic Ladle will be played on Sunday 1st October with the finals at 9pm GMT (US: 5pm EDT, 3pm MDT, 4pm CDT, UK: 10pm BST, DE: 23:00 CEST).

Form a team or add your name to one. The following list is provisional: actual players on the day may be different. It is merely a record of intention. Please indicate a Team-Captain. This is a very important role and requires reasonable responsibility -- choose carefully.

== [[Tronic Monkeys]] (8 Players) ==

*[[User:2020|2020]]
* rain
* THE COOL CAT -- HYYYYYYPHY LEOPARD
* Captain gArIsImO (uhahahahahah)
* [[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]]
* help im a bug
* ghableska

== [[We Pwn Noobs|WPN]] (4 Players) ==
* [[User:Durka|Durka]]
* [[User:Legit|Legit]]
* [[User:Chuck|Chuck]] aka Betu
* G5
(more will sign up)

== proN00bz ];) (6 Players) ==
* newbÎe (captain)
* Slash
* Luzifer
* ~*LoD*~SlaYer
* ct|SeBoL158
* LoD|Ady-Lucifer (not sure if i will be available 1st october...)

==[[SteveTaylor|Steve Taylor]] (4+1 Players)==
* [[User:Lackadaisical|Lackadaisical]] (capitán, open for sign ups, check our page)
* Blackbird
* JC (spare wheel, not really good player)
* [[User:madmax|madmax]]
* meriton

==[[Holers]] [Ho] (7 Players)==
* [[User:Sasha|Sasha]]
* Infamous
* '''~}{Alex}{~''' [Captain]
* $ubzero
* fr34ky!
* HoAX
* cyclotron

== [[Wraith Squadron]] (4 Players) ==
*kamakazi
*Manta
*Goodygumdrops
*AshitakA
*JJBean
New sign-ups welcome, please try to attend practice sessions.

== Tronners in Pyjamas .[[TiP]] (2 Players) ==
* H.A.K (captain)
* Thunder
* Crackpod(brainstorm)
* Vogel
* White
* ???????????
*Lloyd

It has been suggested that one of the ways we can make the event more exciting is by experienced players starting up new teams. For example, [[anarchic wanderers]] players will each or in pairs, start up a new team. They will be responsible for recruiting new players, training them up, and presenting them at the next Tronic Ladle. Could be fun.

{{Ladle-4}}

Talk:SteveTaylor

2006-09-29T23:09:46Z

Madmax: 4 Team Fortress links

SteveTaylor

2006-09-29T20:22:00Z

Madmax: Deleted Durka's pub. Next time ask on the discussion page?

[[Image:Teamstevetaylor.gif|center|]]

Hello! We are Steve Taylor and we would like to welcome you to our page dedicated to Steve Taylor. We are one of the offspring-teams of the [[Anarchic wanderers]], and are planning to combine new and experienced players to fight in the [[Ladle-4]]. The head of Steve Taylor, or captain if you may, is [[User:Lackadaisical|Lackadaisical]] (you might have heard of him from legends and tales as 'The AW vs SS match' and 'Winning The Spoon without actually playing the finals'). Currently we are still looking for people to join, so if you are interested to play in one the most notoire tournaments in Armagetron History, there is a chance you will find what you are looking for here at Steve Taylor!

==News==
===Steve Taylor has been born===
Yes, you are seeing it right! The Anarchic wanderers has produced yet another spawn, and it will be playing in and training for the Ladle-4.

--[[User:Lackadaisical|Lackadaisical]] 11:07, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

==Who are part of Steve Taylor?==
*Lackadaisical
*Blackbird
*JC
*madmax
*meriton

==Applying==
If you want to apply, you just need to put your name down on either the list here or on the [[Ladle-4/Team_List|Ladle Team List]], or both. I'll try to make sure that the lists stay synchronized. Oh, one more thing, if you tend to not watch the wiki every single day like some of us do, just send [[User:Lackadaisical|Lack]] an email and he'll try to keep you updated through that.

==Contact==
We could use the [[Talk:SteveTaylor|Talk Page]] for discussion/comments about stuff. If you have any general questions which might be usefull for others I suggest putting them on the FAQ and hopefully someone else (perhaps the head of Steve Taylor himself!) can answer them.

==FAQ==
;Who's this Steve Taylor dude?
:We are Steve Taylor.

;Are you related to Charles Taylor(president of Liberia from 1997 to 2003)?
:No.

;Are you my first grade teacher's husband?
:No.

SteveTaylor

2006-09-24T16:09:51Z

Madmax: /* Who are part of Steve Taylor? */

[[Image:Teamstevetaylor.gif|center|]]

Hello! We are Steve Taylor and we would like to welcome you to our page dedicated to Steve Taylor. We are one of the offspring-teams of the [[Anarchic wanderers]], and are planning to combine new and experienced players to fight in the [[Ladle-4]]. The head of Steve Taylor, or captain if you may, is [[User:Lackadaisical|Lackadaisical]] (you might have heard of him from legends and tales as 'The AW vs SS match' and 'Winning The Spoon without actually playing the finals'). Currently we are still looking for people to join, so if you are interested to play in one the most notoire tournaments in Armagetron History, there is a chance you will find what you are looking for here at Steve Taylor!

==News==
===Steve Taylor has been born===
Yes, you are seeing it right! The Anarchic wanderers has produced yet another spawn, and it will be playing in and training for the Ladle-4.

--[[User:Lackadaisical|Lackadaisical]] 11:07, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

==Who are part of Steve Taylor?==
*Lackadaisical
*Blackbird
*JC
*madmax

==Applying==
If you want to apply, you just need to put your name down on either the list here or on the [[Ladle-4/Team_List|Ladle Team List]], or both. I'll try to make sure that the lists stay synchronized. Oh, one more thing, if you tend to not watch the wiki every single day like some of us do, just send [[User:Lackadaisical|Lack]] an email and he'll try to keep you updated through that.

==Contact==
We could use the [[Talk:SteveTaylor|Talk Page]] for discussion/comments about stuff. If you have any general questions which might be usefull for others I suggest putting them on the FAQ and hopefully someone else (perhaps the head of Steve Taylor himself!) can answer them.

==FAQ==
;Who's this Steve Taylor dude?
:We are Steve Taylor.

;Are you related to Charles Taylor(president of Liberia from 1997 to 2003)?
:No.

;Are you my first grade teacher's husband?
:No.

Ladle-4/Team List

2006-09-24T16:09:13Z

Madmax: /* Steve Taylor */ Added myself

{{Ladle-4}}

The Fourth Tronic Ladle will be played on Sunday 1st October with the finals at 9pm GMT (US: 5pm EDT, 3pm MDT, 4pm CDT, UK: 10pm BST, DE: 23:00 CEST).

Form a team or add your name to one. The following list is provisional: actual players on the day may be different. It is merely a record of intention. Please indicate a Team-Captain. This is a very important role and requires reasonable responsibility -- choose carefully.

== [[Tronic Monkeys]] (5 Players) ==

*[[User:2020|2020]] (please check teampage...)
* rain
* n00b
* THE COOOL CAT -- HYYYYYYPHY LEOPARD
* Captain gArIsImO (uhahahahahah)

== [[We Pwn Noobs|WPN]] (4 Players) ==
* [[User:Durka|Durka]]
* [[User:Legit|Legit]]
* [[User:Chuck|Chuck]] aka Betu
* G5
(more will sign up)

== Abominable Snowmen (3 Players) ==
* [[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] (captain for now, until someone else takes it)
* help im a bug
* ghableska

== proN00bz ];) (5 Players) ==
* newbÎe (captain)
* ~*SP*~Slash
* Luzifer
* ~*LoD*~SlaYer
* ct|SeBoL158

==[[SteveTaylor|Steve Taylor]] (3+1 Players)==
* [[User:Lackadaisical|Lackadaisical]] (capitán, open for sign ups, check our page)
* Blackbird
* JC (spare wheel, not really good player)
* madmax

==[[Holers]] (7 Players)==
* [[User:Sasha|Sasha]]
* Infamous (Ok you can be captain alex)
* '''~}{Alex}{~''' [Captain YAAYYYYYYYY :D]
* $ubzero [yes alex u will :D ]
* fr34ky! (if you want ;)/got asked by a guy in this team)
* HoAX
* cyclotron //should be captain tho ;}

== [[Wraith Squadron]] (4 Players) ==
*kamakazi
*Manta
*Goodygumdrops
*AshitakA
New sign-ups welcome, please try to attend practice sessions.

== Tronners in Pyjamas .[[TiP]] (2 Players) ==
* H.A.K (captain)
* Thunder

It has been suggested that one of the ways we can make the event more exciting is by experienced players starting up new teams. For example, [[anarchic wanderers]] players will each or in pairs, start up a new team. They will be responsible for recruiting new players, training them up, and presenting them at the next Tronic Ladle. Could be fun.

{{Ladle-4}}

User talk:Wrtlprnft

2006-09-06T14:12:09Z

Madmax: About the new teams for the ladle #4

Hi there.
:Yeah, hi :D --[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 04:10, 26 May 2006 (CEST)

== questions about wiki management ==

Please feel free to delete stuff once we've chatted wrtl, since i am taking liberties in talking to you here. You seem to be able to explain things simply, so i was wondering if you could help. I have a wiki, and a bot keeps on sticking stuff all over the place, hidden with div partitions. How can I stop this from happening? If I protect the page, then new people can't edit. How come this wiki isn't plagued with bots? Hope this is Ok my asking... --[[User:2020|2020]] 07:17, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
*No need to delete it, once the page gets too full I'll move it to something like [[User_talk:Wrtlprnft/Archive/]] and create a new talk page.We had that spammer problem too (just look at the [http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&user=&page=&limit=500&offset=0 block logs]…). Well, first it was solved it by hacking the login page to have differently named fields than the default, in an attempt to confuse bots. That worked quite well, we didn't get any spam for a while. Sometimes users complained, though, as the hack was uncorrectly blocking them as bots.Quite recently Lucifer decided to install [http://www.homelandstupidity.us/software/bad-behavior/ Bad Behavior], which seems to have a blacklist of URIs that bots like to link to and automatically bans them. It works quite nicely, so Lucifer even enabled anonymous edits again.Hope that helps… —[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 07:47, 6 September 2006 (CDT)

== Cockpit ==

I love it. However, I would like to edit a few things. Like the camera angles, I hate the way they take so long to return to front position. And one glaring omission: rubber gauge with internal view. But I love the indicators, colour bars on the sides. Btw, do you ever use the map? -[[User:2020|2020]] 10:28, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
*The camera angles are a totally different thing. That's meriton's camera code, he wrote it. The camera is a big mess right now, noone understands it, and it would be very dangerous to rewrite it all without totally changing its behavior (leading to what we have now, people complaining that it's “different”).That some gauges disappear in incam mode results that this was originally a testing cockpit, so I tested if the camera attribute worked, then I copied and pasted existing gauges, and so half of the gauges disappear in incam mode… I fixed it, use <code>COCKPIT_FILE wrtlprnft/testfile-0.0.3.aacockpit.xml</code> to get it.
**Is this a console command? -[[User:2020|2020]] 11:42, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
***Yeah, sure. —[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 14:51, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
*I rarely use the map on fortress, most times I use it for chico maps on CTWF, there it's quite usuable. Occasionally I use it when I'm dead too. —[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 11:14, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

== Team Monster? ==

Hehehhe... you cheeky devil... what kind of tags will you have? Tronic Monkey has the funny little trademark sign... you are going to confuse our noobs... if I get any, that is... Team Monster... ehehhe... Seriously™, thanks for taking the step of creating a team without players... brave... —[[User:2020|2020]]
*Dunno yet. This mostly came out of me talking with Your_mom on IRC about the fact that you'd probably dislike if I joined your teem (seeing that you want the AW people to create a new team). So well, we'll need to see what happens. I hope Vanhayes is gonna join me and help me recruit some more players.
**Thanks, would love to have you playing with us... the chances are we won't find enough for a team, and we will probably just merge, but.. wth... sounds like fun, doesn't it? --[[User:2020|2020]] 10:28, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
***Maybe we should target to split up AW into about three independant teams? We already have enough players for two teams, with one month of time for recruiting we might be able to fill those. Just a suggestion. —[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 11:14, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
****I'll probably try to set a team as well, but I think finding -new- players will be tough. Anyway, I was thinking about inviting people who haven't really played in a ladle or in most ladles. That way we attract more players who probably wanted to play but didn't have a "suitable" place to do it. --[[User:Madmax|Madmax]] 09:12, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
*Team Monster is a name we chose because we didn't have anything better, I overlooked that it would have the same abbreviation as Tronic Monkeys… I guess we'll see what happens.Btw you can't use the the '™' sign in arma right now as it's not in the latin-1 charset… —[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 09:13, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

== Thanks Wrtl ==
I have fiddled about with Ladle pages, and it looks like [[Ladle-4]]. Can you think of any more changes? And how can I contact meriton to check it out? [[User:2020|2020]] 18:59 (GMT+2) 4th September 2006
* It looks promising now. If it stays structured like that it might avoid quite a bit of confusion. I'll lock the Challenge Board as soon as I wake up on the 1st of october to prevent edits, if you don't mind.Dunno about meriton, he might notice it on the recent changes, otherwise you can contact him on his [[User_discussion:Meriton|user page]] or on the forums, i guess… —[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 12:09, 4 September 2006 (CDT)
** A couple of minor things. :) You should include on that page "Where to meet before the tournament". Also, is it possible to change a redirect? I was thinking that [[Ladle]] should always point to the most recent, and the most recent should have links for historical information on previous ladles. --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 22:29, 4 September 2006 (CDT)
***Well, I am not sure how to set up the IRC channels... Hopefully, when we get to that stage, it will have been set up by someone... unless someone can show me how it works and I can get a few players to test it... Redirect, I think. Thanks Luci.... oh, how can I revert a page to a previous version? [[User:2020|2020]] 10:28 (GMT+2) 5th September 2006
****Joda already set it up so you can join any channel containing “arma”. As for creating a channel, just say /join <name>, if the channel doesn't exist it'll be created.There's two ways to revert a page: Either you're sysop and have that fancy ”rollback” link (which is also dangerous if you select it by accident) or you aren't, then you have to do it manually: Go to the history of the page, click on the date of the revision you wanna revert it to, then click the edit link at the top. It will display a warning that you're editing an old version, ignore that (that's what you want anyways), then save the page without making a change. It might be good to explain in the summary to what revision you reverted it and why. —[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 04:16, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
***To change a redirect go to that redirect page (it'll redirect you to the new locations), then click on the link right below the title (“Redirected from '''…'''”), then edit that page to point to the new location. —[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 04:16, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

== Your Skin for the Wiki ==
Lovely. Thanks. Why hasn't it been advertised? Why isn't it the new default? [[User:2020|2020]]
*Well, I guess [[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] has to do that if he likes it. He'll probably want to copy the images it uses onto his server and change the links so the wiki doesn't depend on two servers to be online, which would increase the not–working probabiltiy to PServer 1 not working + PServer 2 not working + PServer 1 not working × PServer 2 not working, that would be more than twice as likely than if everything was on the same server (assuming the probabilities are the same).Anyways, anyone who can test the skin in IE7? It doesn't run under WINE, so I have no way of testing it. —[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 17:09, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
*In ie6 looks okay i guess, its plain white wherever the white opacity png is. Png's arn't properly handled in ie6 (havn't bothered with ie7 since i use firefox). Looks nice in firefox but i prefer the current default. Anyways good work.--[[User:Your mom|Your mom]] 21:09, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
*Actually I'm not using an alphatransparent PNG. It's two PNGs, one brightened a bit for the foreground, and they're both positioned using <code>background-attachment:fixed</code>. Well, guess what, IE6 doesn't support it and displays rubbish, so I'm using a CSS hack to hide the foreground CSS from it. Trouble is that this hack doesn't work for IE7 anymore (it supports the appropiate selector), but that should be fine if it supports <code>background-attachment:fixed</code>, but I'm not sure if it does.I don't want to use alphatransparent PNGs as they were used in the old skin and caused weird effects for the tabs at the top of the page. This method is safe in the sense that it makes overlapping elements invisible. —[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 03:09, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
** It's not the new default because it runs really freaking slow on my computer. The background-attachment: fixed needs to be removed for that to change. Sorry. --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 12:45, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
*** It's still running painfully slow on my computer. It adds about 5 seconds on average for each page to render over the MonoBook skin. --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 22:31, 4 September 2006 (CDT)
**** Did the old skin run any faster? I don't think it did a lot different than my version. In theory this might be because it's first processing the unchanged monobook skin and rendering that, then it sees the CSS file I added and applies its changes. If this is the case your browser sucks… —[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 04:16, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
***** Heh, yeah, "Your browser sucks" isn't very good web design.... *poke* Actually, the old skin ran faster than yours, but not nearly as fast as the monobook skin. The main reason I'm probably having problems with it is the huge size of my browser window and the fact that it takes a lot of work to first figure out how to render it, and then render it in that big space. Of course, I do *all* of my browsing in this huge window and don't encounter any significant problems because of it.... The difference between MonoBook and your skin is in the neighborhood of 5 seconds, depending on how much crap is on the page (the preferences page takes much longer, a short page takes a bit less). The difference between the old skin and MonoBook is in the neighborhood of 2 seconds, but it's pretty much a constant for all pages. It might be the system used like you suggest. I'd be willing to try something a bit more hardcore to see if that takes care of it. --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 20:58, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
****** I'm just saying that your browser sucks on a technical level, not that there shouldn't be done something against it. I guess the only thing one could try is to merge the CSS that's directly on the wiki ([[MediaWiki:Wrtlprnft.css]]) into the CSS that's stored in a file somewhere on your server and see if that helps… —[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 03:36, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
****** Thinking about it again, it may of course be just the fact that the images are stored on my server, with has more lag for you, and your browser can't use an already existing connection to your server to get them… —[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 03:45, 6 September 2006 (CDT)

== What will come after the spoon? ==

hyeheh
well, actually i was going to thank you for fiddling with the wiki for ladle, but couldn't send a message since the forum didn't allow it and this is the only way i can think of getting into contact.... 
i was wondering, after waiting for 2 weeks for the spoon to finish.. do you think it may be too early to start off on the next competition...? i have opened it up to a few people to get initial feedback.. what do you think? —[[User:2020|2020]]
:hehe, actually I got the same PM 3 times :D
:I think we should wait a few months for people to settle down... It's getting harder and harder to organize matches, people are just not that interested anymore, but I'm sure the interest will come back after a while. And don't mind my wiki corrections, just try to adapt that style since it is the "correct" way to do it, at least it generates the most sensible markup --[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 21:41, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

Third Tronic Ladle

2006-09-04T16:44:14Z

Madmax: /* Shadow League vs Anarchic Wanderers (A-team) */ Removed an extra "alex" there

One day, players will be able to post up video reports of how games have gone... hell, one day, there will be professional journalists covering the final... But until then, make use of this space...

== quarter finals 7.30pm GMT ==

===Anarchic Wanderers (B-team) vs WPN===

2-1 at…

*Anarchic Wanderers (B-team) were Vanhayes, Lack, MaZuffeR, Sticky, 2020, wrtlprnft, ghableska
*WPN were Durka, blaig, Panda, featherfcuk, G5, ßëtµ

There's a [http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/awbvswpn.avi recorded movie (AVI, mpeg4)], if there's any interest in it I'll make one for the final game too.—[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 10:32, 4 September 2006 (CDT)


===Shadow League vs Crazy Tronners===

2-0 at…

*Shadow League were…
*Crazy Tronners were…

===Anarchic Wanderers (A-team) vs Wraith Squadron===

...-... at LoD Fortress Server

*Anarchic Wanderers (A-team) were: eggcozy ~ }{Alex}{ ~ Hay-Lin gArIsImO ghableska madmax featherfcuk
*Wraith Squadron were: ...

== semi-finals 8.15pm GMT ==

===Shadow League vs Anarchic Wanderers (A-team)===

1-2 at AST server

*Shadow League were: Meriton, Sasha, Radian, [...]
*Anarchic Wanderers (A-team) were: eggcozy ~ }{Alex}{ ~ Hay-Lin gArIsImO ghableska madmax featherfcuk

== finals 9pm GMT—Anarchic Wanderers (A-team) vs Anarchic Wanderers (B-team)==

2-1 at Z-Man's Tournament Server
*Anarchic Wanderers (A-team) were: eggcozy ~ }{Alex}{ ~ Hay-Lin gArIsImO ghableska madmax
*Anarchic Wanderers (B-team) were: Wrtlprnft 2020 MaZuffeR Lackadaisical Vanhayes Sticky

Third Tronic Ladle

2006-09-04T16:21:57Z

Madmax: /* Third ladle: SL vs AW-A players list */

One day, players will be able to post up video reports of how games have gone... hell, one day, there will be professional journalists covering the final... But until then, make use of this space...

== quarter finals 7.30pm GMT ==

===Anarchic Wanderers (B-team) vs WPN===

2-1 at…

*Anarchic Wanderers (B-team) were Vanhayes, Lack, MaZuffeR, Sticky, 2020, wrtlprnft, ghableska
*WPN were Durka, blaig, Panda, featherfcuk, G5, ßëtµ

There's a [http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/awbvswpn.avi recorded movie (AVI, mpeg4)], if there's any interest in it I'll make one for the final game too.—[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 10:32, 4 September 2006 (CDT)



===Shadow League vs Crazy Tronners===

2-0 at…

*Shadow League were…
*Crazy Tronners were…

== semi-finals 8.15pm GMT ==

===Shadow League vs Anarchic Wanderers (A-team)===

1-2 at AST server

*Shadow League were: Meriton, Sasha, Radian, [...]
*Anarchic Wanderers (A-team) were: eggcozy ~ }{Alex}{ ~ Hay-Lin gArIsImO ghableska alex madmax featherfcuk

== finals 9pm GMT—Anarchic Wanderers (A-team) vs Anarchic Wanderers (B-team)==

2-1 at Z-Man's Tournament Server
*Anarchic Wanderers (A-team) were: eggcozy ~ }{Alex}{ ~ Hay-Lin gArIsImO ghableska madmax
*Anarchic Wanderers (B-team) were: Wrtlprnft 2020 MaZuffeR Lackadaisical Vanhayes Sticky

Third Tronic Ladle

2006-09-04T16:19:37Z

Madmax: /* Third ladle: AW-A vs AW-B players list */ -> Did feather play this one?

One day, players will be able to post up video reports of how games have gone... hell, one day, there will be professional journalists covering the final... But until then, make use of this space...

== quarter finals 7.30pm GMT ==

===Anarchic Wanderers (B-team) vs WPN===

2-1 at…

*Anarchic Wanderers (B-team) were Vanhayes, Lack, MaZuffeR, Sticky, 2020, wrtlprnft, ghableska
*WPN were Durka, blaig, Panda, featherfcuk, G5, ßëtµ

There's a [http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/awbvswpn.avi recorded movie (AVI, mpeg4)], if there's any interest in it I'll make one for the final game too.—[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 10:32, 4 September 2006 (CDT)



===Shadow League vs Crazy Tronners===

2-0 at…

*Shadow League were…
*Crazy Tronners were…

== semi-finals 8.15pm GMT ==

===Shadow League vs Anarchic Wanderers (A-team)===

1-2 at AST server

*Shadow League were...
*Anarchic Wanderers (A-team) were...

== finals 9pm GMT—Anarchic Wanderers (A-team) vs Anarchic Wanderers (B-team)==

2-1 at Z-Man's Tournament Server
*Anarchic Wanderers (A-team) were: eggcozy ~ }{Alex}{ ~ Hay-Lin gArIsImO ghableska madmax
*Anarchic Wanderers (B-team) were: Wrtlprnft 2020 MaZuffeR Lackadaisical Vanhayes Sticky

LADLE team-lists

2006-08-28T19:58:47Z

Madmax: /* anarchic wanderers */

{{Ladle}}
Stick your name down on a list, or start your own team. Based on player feedback, we are going to stick to 5 players per team and we are going to try to organise the timing a little better so that the day (Sun 3rd September) runs smoothly...

Please indicate a captain. Check out the [[Challenge Room]] for the way the play-offs are organised.

== [[anarchic wanderers]] ==
* 2020
* '''~ }{Alex}{ ~''' {~ may be away, will let u know if i can make it. msn me ~ tcs_ownz_you@hotmail.co.uk ~}
* ghableska- if I can actually make it this time... :)
* Lackadaisical
* madmax

== [http://wpn.rocks.it WPN] ==
* Durka
* Legit
* Betu
* Pyrotek
* Trace
* Blarg
* G5 (I hope I can make it)
* Bashusr
* TnT
(More will also sign up)

== [http://teamlol.rocks.it ¡LØL!] ==
*Blader
*DDX
*Crash
*Kelly
*Wazer
*2b|!2b?
*ArcBeetle
*Scythe
*Veritech
*Sha9y
*Nate
*IceStage
*[S]onic[D]ragon[X]

== [[Shadow League]] ==
* Ossi
* Meriton
* Infamous
* Sasha
* Sky
* Thunder

== [[Wraith Squadron]] ==
* AshitakA
* BlAzE
* eclipse
* Goodygumdrops
* Manta

== [[old team lists]] ==
Where you can find the team lists for the First and Second Ladle Games.-->
[http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=LADLE_team-lists&oldid=12221]

Ladle Feedback

2006-07-30T12:11:48Z

Madmax: /* Feedback for the Second Ladle */ Added mine.

{{Ladle}}

Please write your comments below about your experience of the event. You can also add comments about how it could be better... This information may be useful for anyone who tries to do such a thing again...

== Feedback for the Second Ladle ==

;2020
:Ping was a big determiner in who won the matches. Ideas suggested during the game was to split the final between two servers. Also, the captains did not make use of the challenge room in the wiki. It was all just organised before the matches, which was ok because we only have four teams of about five players each. The idea is for the system to be future-proof, scalable to hundreds if not thousands of team... I can't see this working that well with more than four teams. I think team captains should take a little more responsibillity for making sure they choose a server that suits their players. And of course, it is the responsibility of the players to turn up! Oh well... Also... it would be nice to have little animations of the highlight, specific moves, climax battles, that kind of thing... can I change the format of the recording to make it quicktime? [[User:2020|2020]]
;Lackadaisical
:Would it be possible to do the next ladle on a sunday and maybe a bit earlier? Saturday night isn't the best time to go play a computergame for the europeans.

;Meriton
:The time the event takes place (start at 11:30 PM) is a bit tough for me. Might it be possible to indulge us European players and have it take place a couple of hours earlier next time? Personally, I prefer Saturday to Sunday as I have to get up early on Mondays.
----

;Manta
:If we are to drop scheduled games again from not enough teams show, we should move those matches up in time instead of delaying. WS lost half their players do to the time being changed. We do need to work out the scheduling on the wiki better next time as the matches ended up being switched right before game time.

:The procedural changes made since the last ladle really improved things. You did a GREAT job coordinating everything 2020. Thank you! Team coordination seemed to flow very well and having an admin on hand was a big help. The team captains were able to work out any issues and the players were polite to each other. I'd say we all had fun and in the end that is the reason we all showed up. Congratulations to everyone who played!

:And dealing with the ping issue: Over all having a few low ping players on any one team does not make it unfair. It is when 100% of one team's players have 1/3 the ping of the other that attrition will catch up every time. (Not to bring up my 438 ping ;), lol) An average 180s on one side vs 60s on the other can be a bit unbalanced. Similar to a 4 vs 7 player match. To solve this I don't think a single server can be found to please everyone. Germany does have some of the most active players so it would be wrong to say force them to play a US server for example. Perhaps some ideas can be worked out before the next ladle. Playing half the games on one server then switching might cause it's own logistics issues. What are some other peoples ideas?

----

;AshitakA
:I think it was great... And thanks to all players and those, who made this possible.The solution for the high pings would be a server on which every player could play with equal ping. But there is no one. So i think, like you said Manta, the server has to be changed. But in a fair way. Maybe every team has to play on different servers, or every game would be played twice on two different servers. However, i look forward to the coming ladle. Have fun, all!

----
;madmax
:I agree on the scheduling issue. The time, and I think specially the day arent the best. For me, Saturday night is usually for going out. Btw, congrats to AW!!! :D

== Feedback for the First Ladle ==

=== The Quality of Your Playing ===
;2020
:I was a passenger. I moved house, was using an old computer (fps was 15), and my connection got broken 3 times while playing Shadow League in the Semi's -- aaaaarrrrrghghghghgh. Like Van, hehe, and Durka I think.
* Yep me 2---[[User:Durka|Durka]]
*heh ya I wish my connection dropped only 3 times, More like 10-15, there was a storm going on at the time--[[User:Vanhayes|Vanhayes]]

;Manta
:It was a nice surprise that my ISP didn't have their usual holiday weekend hiccups. :) Over all I certainly could have done better, I'm not very good under pressure and my dialup connection seems to get saturated with more than 12 players on the grid. Oh and Manta sucks at sweeping :P

;sky
:well my computer already sucks haha. so i did fine until the AW match. made a lot more mistakes. only in the last AW match i was able to get like 8 or 10 points or somethin. but the other rounds there were less players playing like 7v7s or 6v6s and it was much easier to get through. also my ping was nicer. i want a pc haha. still had a great time though

=== The Quality of Your Team Playing ===
;2020
:Anarchic Wanderers were amazing. I never got to see much of the offence, but defence was superb. Garissimo was solid at the back, only getting beaten when the odds were 4 to 1. I saw Vanhayes pulling off a major stunt -- amazing! And Eggcozy was superb as sweeper. I had fun playing with the offence of the other teams most times; we just kept them back for ages while our offence did the biz. Superb quality of play.
*;[[User:Durka|Durka]]
*:I played for AW in the match against SL. I didn't get to see much of the amazing defense by our team. Everytime I would just bust through their middle and take up part of Sasha's def before he could make it complete. The problem was SL sometimes delayed Zop and the others from getting there soon enough...so I would be cramming part of the zone, but it would sometimes do nothing as we had no one else. SL realized this and Sasha's teammates would try and trap me in their zone. But, sometimes it did work and Zop would get their fast along with one other person and we would capture the zone fast (3 offense vs. 2 defense). It was a great team effort...4 points from winning the second match and 2 from winning the third. Well done SL and CONGRATULATIONS.
*'''sKy'''
:awesome

=== Getting Your Team Ready for The Match ===
;2020
:Damned messy. I couldn't get on the server for about 10 mins. We started about 30 mins late... it gets a little tedious when people are there, some playing, some just waiting for the real game. It would be nice if we could just import an entire team into a server. Have some kind of pre-grid preparation like in the film. Once teams are sorted, we just port into the server. Would be simple. Players would then turn up on time, otherwise, they just miss the boat. Trying to organise a match while playing is tough... too many distractions. Still... we managed it in the end... somehow...

*;[[User:Durka|Durka]]
*:I got to play one round with ¡LØL! because I was late. I showed up and only 2 people that were ACTUALLY on WS were playing. Everyone else was picked up "from the streets." (Example: man2d played with ¡LØL!, (WS), & SL during the tourney...just a little unfair). Also, we really needed 8 teams not 6 (there were 7, but CT didn't show). (Example: the ¡LØL! vs. WS match in the first round was actually a semi-final match so who-ever won was automatically in the finals...yet again weird. But, overall, the tourney was definately fun. Next time 2020, can we please not try and play the tournament '''ALL IN ONE DAY!!!''' Too chaotic!

;Manta
:Getting Wraith Squadron ready for each match was actually quite easy. All our players met in an MSN chat room one hour before the start time and we did all our coordinating from there. This made it very easy for us to all show up on one server at the same time. We then disconnected during game play of course. ---- Since there were ONLY 2 ladle servers and LOL & WS were the last teams paired we were forced to use Bugfarm fortress. This caused quite a bit of confusion with visiting players joining the match. Kindly, most willingly left or stayed as spectators. Also I don't believe man2d played for WS at any time during the tournament as he was on each of the opposing teams we played. Wish we had had him though.

=== Team-Captains and the Challenge Room ===
;2020
:As admin of 2020's T-room it was ok... but a bit stressful. Loads of people, including non-captains and noobs entering. The text area was too small and too many people were talking. Some were asking me to die so that they could join the game -- as if we were meant to be playing! Some of the non-captains were useful since they could leave the T-room and search for players like Xevi for Crazy Tronners, and the state of play in matches.
:Team-captains did the job well though, challenging one another, then setting off to do their matches. However, I think we should have waited until everyone knew who was playing who and where before leaving. The only real way of doing this is building a simple interface with challenge-board, etc so that people could see if they were challenged and whether they accepted etc. Still.. on the whole, it worked.

;Manta
:While using the T-room was problematic it did serve it's purpose well and its probably the only 100% sure way everyone has to communicate. 2020 took down the chat-server while he played which is understandable but we really need one up at all times for team captains to check in on each other while another match may still be ongoing. THANK YOU for all your work 2020, the ladle would not have been the success it was without you!

=== Anything else? ===
;2020
:Could have done with more matches. Also, losing teams could have played one another. In fact, we probably had time to play a round-robin affair. What was best about it is that we ended up with a winner. We trusted team-captains, and they pulled it off.
:My wishlist? Somehow keep teams together, maybe with some kind of pre-grid preparation room like the film. If this runs simultaneously to gameplay, you can be playing around in some server, and then when your team is assembled and ready, you are notified and requested to port to the proper server where your team assembles against the opposing team. Also, some kind of software to automate the challenges. The chat-facility was not good enough... too much noise...
:It is all to do with timing. As a first attempt, I think it was successful. The trick is... how to make it better...

;Manta
:--- Having the ability to lock a server to a certain number of players ahead of time. While letting there be room for a couple of spectators so backup team members can standby but keeping riffraff from joining. --- Letting a small majority successfully kick someone, without having to distract all the players with the vote. --- Have shuffle down AND up enabled to allow team placement. --- Have more servers available. --- Personally I liked the month long idea but I must say having the games all on one day seemed to work better. But this also made it very hectic and with elimination, losing teams only got to play one match after the effort of getting everyone coordinated. --- Over all I'd say the ladle was a great success and everyone had a great time which is most important.

User:Madmax

2006-07-28T10:57:05Z

Madmax:

From Portugal.
From fortress too.

:MSN Contact : madmax.ptz [youknowwhat] gmail.com
:Skype : madmax_xs
:forums.armagetronad.net : madmax

User:Madmax

2006-07-28T10:55:54Z

Madmax:

From Portugal.
From fortress too.

MSN Contact : madmax.ptz [youknowwhat] gmail.com
Skype : madmax_xs
forums.armagetronad.net : madmax

User:Madmax

2006-07-28T10:52:41Z

Madmax:

MSN Contact: madmax.ptz [youknowwhat] gmail.com

Main Page

2006-07-13T22:42:11Z

Madmax: Added a space in "International_Tron_World_Cup| Go to ITW page" that was missing

This is the Armagetron Advanced Wiki Project. It is a wiki, so you can edit most pages and add new ones, as your heart desires.

So this page is still a work in progress and looks a little thin. Go to the talk page to talk about what you would like to see here. Don't complain without offering some sort of constructive suggestion, but don't be afraid to criticize even if you don't have a constructive suggestion to offer.

 
 
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|+ '''Getting Started'''
| [[FAQ]]
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| * Frequently Asked Questions
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| [[The Basics]]
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| * I would like to find out about things like grinding, rubber, double-binding, customising...
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| [[Building Your Skillset]]
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| * I want to go head-to-head against the best...
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| [[Teamplay]]
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| * I have played the fortress, and I need to know...
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| [[Tronic]]
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| * Form a team and enter the TRON International Championship...

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|+ style="text-align: left" | '''International Tron WorldCup''' [[International_Tron_World_Cup| Go to ITW page]]
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ITW it's an international tournament and on it the players are organised in countries, this way an english player will play for England, a german one for Germany etc... If you are interested on it just go to ITW page and post your nick under your country. It will be a fortress style tournament but dont worry if you arent so good at it, the most important thing is to participe and have fun.
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| The Second Ladle fortress tournament is to be played on Sat 22nd July 2006!
* First Stage: stick your name down on one of the [[LADLE team-lists|teams]]
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{| style="width: 100%;"
|+ style="text-align: left" | '''earlier competitions...'''
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|The first [[THE LADLE|Tronic Ladle]] was a fortress tournament with seven teams and was won by [[Ladle Winners|Shadow League]] on 1st July 2006.

The [[THE SPOON|Tronic Spoon]] was a fortress tournament of 87 players arranged into 8 and was won by [[Team somethingsomething]] in March 2006.
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International Tron World Cup

2006-07-04T13:10:09Z

Madmax: /* Portugal */

== International Tron Worldcup ==

In this tournament can participe all fortress players.Just post your name down here under the name of your country.
This is organized in countries, if your country isnt here down, edit this page and add it.
After all interested players register we will update this page with all the instructions of the tournament.

== Canada ==
*Vanhayes
== Russia ==
*Ossi
*Sasha
*badzilla

== Spain ==

*Ady-Lucifer
*ORiON
*ChiCh0

== Germany ==
*Z-Man

== United Kingdom ==

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Talk:Anarchic wanderers

2006-06-06T19:52:19Z

Madmax: /* THE LADLE */ erm, nevermind

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== Forum names/other contact info ==
:Van: Van-hayes, lamb--chop@hotmail.com
:TBL: TBL, My AIM is goodSNsAllTaken, or goodnamesalltaken@gmail.com
:2020: 2020, 2020@davidpinto.org, skype:fidocancan, anytime after 5pm gmt if you give me enough days notice.... with MBC: fri night or sat night?
:feather: featherfcuk, eirikurj@gmail.com
:madmax: madmax, madmax.ptz@gmail.com
:ghableska: Ghableska, ghableska@gmail.com
:gArIsImO: garismo, garisimo@aol.com

== RollCall ==

== ~~''NOTICE''~~ ==

=== [[THE LADLE]] ===
Right, guys, I am inviting your to stick your name down on the [[LADLE team-lists|team list]]. I've put the team down but only my name so far is up there! I have set the date for 9pm GMT Sat 1st July -- hope you can make it.

I know we all have different ideas about how to organise competitions. We tried spreading it out. The Spoon worked for 2 weeks, but the play-offs were dead in the water. So, I am hoping we can do it in one night -- a winner is guaranteed -- a CLIMAX finally! If you have other ideas about how to organise it, please present them on [[THE LADLE]] page as an alternative to the [[one-day ladle]].

Write your responses here, or email me, or skype me, or message me, or chat on the grid...

We can do this guys... we were one of the most proactive team in the Spoon... which is saying something for we are an anarchic bunch of lubs...

;Lack
:Um, i think you are taking too much credit saying you were the most proactive team when the spoon hasn't ended because your team didn't play their semi final match.

;2020
:ok ok lack, but we were pretty good with the page, organising games, turning up et al, during the seed rounds... and the playoffs... who knows...

Votes
:garisimo -FOR- I am in too! fuckit man lets just play for crying out loud...its not like the organization of this spoon tournament has been sharp. Let the 8th team play they came in it late anyway. Who the fuck cares! we are going to win it all!
:Van-Against
:2020-against? though any game would be nice now... doesn't have to be in the spoon remit... whatever... I am in...
:Lack-Against.. shouldn't you guys be playing against MBC now, since Ni gave them the quarter finals? AFAIK their game against 8th team is just a friendly match. We got a match (semifinals)against CT this monday, and after that we will be waiting for you. (or CT of course, but lets hope not).
:TBL - AGAINST. umm well i have a final on wednesday, and a wedding this weekend. and a few finals next week. and im going somewhere on thursday and fri. i may have time on wednesday nextweek however. wednesday nextweek would be good and 12pm gmt is fine for me.

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== Talk Page ==
;Van
:I have been busy with school, baseball just started, work: I finally got a job, and with the money I have from my job, Getting drunk. So if somone on AW would want to scheduale the MBC game, I would do my best to show up at the time, but untill middle of june, or later, I'll be pretty busy So I cant really do much.

;Lackadaisical
: No luck this weekend hayes :/? Garisimo: Anarchic as the anarchic wanderers are we can't really restrict anyone from playing or to play. But if you'd like to have those people to play, i suggest asking them when you catch them on the grid and point them to this page :) I guess all of them have seen this page at least once, but i doubt everyone is still checking this often. I'm pro both joda's idea and a match against SP btw, maybe we can combine both and have our first meeting playing against SP.

;gArIsImO
: Yo, WHILE WE WAIT ANOTHER 2 YEARS to play the final in the SPOON!
can we organize a friendly match against SP? We'll just play for beers or something.
I would like to nominate Van or Lacks as our capts. and here is my proposed team of 8 to fuckem up, any thoughts?
(~Lacks, Van, Maz, Zop, 2020 YUP :), gArIs, Nemo, Ghab~)
:@2020 Once The Spoon is over, I'd like to try out Joda's idea about one match each weekend, this would make everything alot easier, and we can try another version of Tronic later on(try to perfect our methods)@Joda I am schedualing a match with MBC vs AW, but if enough people vote that they would alow you guys to come back in then I'd call it off, "enough" being not only majority of AW but of other teams too.

;2020
:Yeah... trying to get a decision is tricky enough in one's own team, let alone getting a decision out of another team... just do it Joda... Van: could you look at all this and please consider a possible future event where we all play on one night over a couple of hours.... please...? it would make all this talk obsolete...

;Van
:I gotta say no for me on this joda, just doesnt seem fair, you guys didnt do seed then when you played knock out round you lost. But if majority say they wanna do it, than Who am I to say no? I'll putt a vote on it but I don't know how many people actually check this anymore.(vote above plz)

;joda.bot
:I just want to know if (most of) AW accept the 8th reentering instead of Knights of Ni. MBC seems to be ok with doing a match against us, so I'm trying to contact the remaining teams about it. (Would be nice if AW could agree on a opinion ;))

=== Non-Spoon discussion ===
;Van
:@2020: If you are talking about the game history, and comments posted on them there is a link to that page, as to the talk page once this one gets too big again i'll move it, or someone else can if they want, to another page. I really don't feel like going into the history and digging up the deleted stuff but if you really want me to I can.

;2020
:van: i understand your cleaning up the front page, tho may i ask that you leave some links to archives, otherwise there is no history... and i think that would be shame... when eg me or eg ghab or even you wrote comments about a game, i think they should be kept somewhere rather than trashed or lost...
::General way they do this on wikipedia is that they use the separate talk page and once it gets too full they just move it somewhere else (preserving the history) and create a new one under the old name with a link to the one they just moved... but that would assume a certain consistency and order on the talk page, which isn't the case here... --[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 19:37, 17 May 2006 (CDT)

;Lackadaisical
:I think i'd rather have it on a regular weekday, at around 20.00~21.00 gmt? it seems most of us are playing around that time anyway. Next, who do we ask? I'd say we just tell anyone we know, but that might've pose a problem when there are too many people (we'd like to get close to 16 but not more) if we can get around arranging a day/time before monday i think i'll let the people of ss know, to catch a bunch of good players at once.

;2020
:regular time sounds good to me... wed 21 gmt...

;Van
:Ya I like the idea of a organised match every weekend at the same time, so if u miss one u can just catch the next one. As for the teams how bout u pick 2 captains each weekend, and they pick their teams from who shows up?(I'm assuming this is being done on Z-man's spoon server, where u have more freedom with teams.)

;joda.bot
:How about 4 matches per month (one each weekend?) ? We can either use loose teams and just meet at the same time or use fixed teams and pick the time flexible (perhaps even both, but if it too loose I guess it won't last).

;Van
: psyko: to be fair that was when Fe actually played alot, and had some really good players,they still do btw just havent seen alot of them in a while. And when are madmax and Mazuffer joining SP?

;Lackadaisical
:Yeah, high level regular matches would be great too madmax, we could try and make some sort of fight-club kind of deal. mmm....

;psyko
:sp will gladly play AW when madmax and mazuffer join sp
:and to think...AW actually lost to fe lol

;madmax
:I would love to see high-level *regular* matches!

;2020
:i am in too lack...

;Van
:that sounds good to me, I'm in, when the spoon is over we can set it up.

;from garisimo
:I am down with lacksy! count me in too.

;from Lackadaisical
:Hey i was thinking, it would be cool if the 'non-spoon'(pre-spoon? old-skool?) anarchic wanderers would try and play against SP clan like there once was a game against fe. Ofcourse this would be best after the spoon to avoid confusion. Would be a pretty cool game, and if it ever happens, count me in ;)

;from 2020
:been wondering about that sp tag of yours... you must have a full complement by now... look forward to playing against you sometime... you will be a team to beat... if we ever do another tournament, I suspect SP will have a good chance of taking away the prize...

Talk:Anarchic wanderers

2006-06-06T19:51:51Z

Madmax: /* THE LADLE */

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== Forum names/other contact info ==
:Van: Van-hayes, lamb--chop@hotmail.com
:TBL: TBL, My AIM is goodSNsAllTaken, or goodnamesalltaken@gmail.com
:2020: 2020, 2020@davidpinto.org, skype:fidocancan, anytime after 5pm gmt if you give me enough days notice.... with MBC: fri night or sat night?
:feather: featherfcuk, eirikurj@gmail.com
:madmax: madmax, madmax.ptz@gmail.com
:ghableska: Ghableska, ghableska@gmail.com
:gArIsImO: garismo, garisimo@aol.com

== RollCall ==

== ~~''NOTICE''~~ ==

=== [[THE LADLE]] ===
Right, guys, I am inviting your to stick your name down on the [[LADLE team-lists|team list]]. I've put the team down but only my name so far is up there! I have set the date for 9pm GMT Sat 1st July -- hope you can make it.

I know we all have different ideas about how to organise competitions. We tried spreading it out. The Spoon worked for 2 weeks, but the play-offs were dead in the water. So, I am hoping we can do it in one night -- a winner is guaranteed -- a CLIMAX finally! If you have other ideas about how to organise it, please present them on [[THE LADLE]] page as an alternative to the [[one-day ladle]].

Write your responses here, or email me, or skype me, or message me, or chat on the grid...

We can do this guys... we were one of the most proactive team in the Spoon... which is saying something for we are an anarchic bunch of lubs...

;madmax
:"we were *one* of the most proactive team in the Spoon" , probably lacks a 's' on 'team' though. :D

;Lack
:Um, i think you are taking too much credit saying you were the most proactive team when the spoon hasn't ended because your team didn't play their semi final match.

;2020
:ok ok lack, but we were pretty good with the page, organising games, turning up et al, during the seed rounds... and the playoffs... who knows...

Votes
:garisimo -FOR- I am in too! fuckit man lets just play for crying out loud...its not like the organization of this spoon tournament has been sharp. Let the 8th team play they came in it late anyway. Who the fuck cares! we are going to win it all!
:Van-Against
:2020-against? though any game would be nice now... doesn't have to be in the spoon remit... whatever... I am in...
:Lack-Against.. shouldn't you guys be playing against MBC now, since Ni gave them the quarter finals? AFAIK their game against 8th team is just a friendly match. We got a match (semifinals)against CT this monday, and after that we will be waiting for you. (or CT of course, but lets hope not).
:TBL - AGAINST. umm well i have a final on wednesday, and a wedding this weekend. and a few finals next week. and im going somewhere on thursday and fri. i may have time on wednesday nextweek however. wednesday nextweek would be good and 12pm gmt is fine for me.

.

== Talk Page ==
;Van
:I have been busy with school, baseball just started, work: I finally got a job, and with the money I have from my job, Getting drunk. So if somone on AW would want to scheduale the MBC game, I would do my best to show up at the time, but untill middle of june, or later, I'll be pretty busy So I cant really do much.

;Lackadaisical
: No luck this weekend hayes :/? Garisimo: Anarchic as the anarchic wanderers are we can't really restrict anyone from playing or to play. But if you'd like to have those people to play, i suggest asking them when you catch them on the grid and point them to this page :) I guess all of them have seen this page at least once, but i doubt everyone is still checking this often. I'm pro both joda's idea and a match against SP btw, maybe we can combine both and have our first meeting playing against SP.

;gArIsImO
: Yo, WHILE WE WAIT ANOTHER 2 YEARS to play the final in the SPOON!
can we organize a friendly match against SP? We'll just play for beers or something.
I would like to nominate Van or Lacks as our capts. and here is my proposed team of 8 to fuckem up, any thoughts?
(~Lacks, Van, Maz, Zop, 2020 YUP :), gArIs, Nemo, Ghab~)
:@2020 Once The Spoon is over, I'd like to try out Joda's idea about one match each weekend, this would make everything alot easier, and we can try another version of Tronic later on(try to perfect our methods)@Joda I am schedualing a match with MBC vs AW, but if enough people vote that they would alow you guys to come back in then I'd call it off, "enough" being not only majority of AW but of other teams too.

;2020
:Yeah... trying to get a decision is tricky enough in one's own team, let alone getting a decision out of another team... just do it Joda... Van: could you look at all this and please consider a possible future event where we all play on one night over a couple of hours.... please...? it would make all this talk obsolete...

;Van
:I gotta say no for me on this joda, just doesnt seem fair, you guys didnt do seed then when you played knock out round you lost. But if majority say they wanna do it, than Who am I to say no? I'll putt a vote on it but I don't know how many people actually check this anymore.(vote above plz)

;joda.bot
:I just want to know if (most of) AW accept the 8th reentering instead of Knights of Ni. MBC seems to be ok with doing a match against us, so I'm trying to contact the remaining teams about it. (Would be nice if AW could agree on a opinion ;))

=== Non-Spoon discussion ===
;Van
:@2020: If you are talking about the game history, and comments posted on them there is a link to that page, as to the talk page once this one gets too big again i'll move it, or someone else can if they want, to another page. I really don't feel like going into the history and digging up the deleted stuff but if you really want me to I can.

;2020
:van: i understand your cleaning up the front page, tho may i ask that you leave some links to archives, otherwise there is no history... and i think that would be shame... when eg me or eg ghab or even you wrote comments about a game, i think they should be kept somewhere rather than trashed or lost...
::General way they do this on wikipedia is that they use the separate talk page and once it gets too full they just move it somewhere else (preserving the history) and create a new one under the old name with a link to the one they just moved... but that would assume a certain consistency and order on the talk page, which isn't the case here... --[[User:Wrtlprnft|Wrtlprnft]] 19:37, 17 May 2006 (CDT)

;Lackadaisical
:I think i'd rather have it on a regular weekday, at around 20.00~21.00 gmt? it seems most of us are playing around that time anyway. Next, who do we ask? I'd say we just tell anyone we know, but that might've pose a problem when there are too many people (we'd like to get close to 16 but not more) if we can get around arranging a day/time before monday i think i'll let the people of ss know, to catch a bunch of good players at once.

;2020
:regular time sounds good to me... wed 21 gmt...

;Van
:Ya I like the idea of a organised match every weekend at the same time, so if u miss one u can just catch the next one. As for the teams how bout u pick 2 captains each weekend, and they pick their teams from who shows up?(I'm assuming this is being done on Z-man's spoon server, where u have more freedom with teams.)

;joda.bot
:How about 4 matches per month (one each weekend?) ? We can either use loose teams and just meet at the same time or use fixed teams and pick the time flexible (perhaps even both, but if it too loose I guess it won't last).

;Van
: psyko: to be fair that was when Fe actually played alot, and had some really good players,they still do btw just havent seen alot of them in a while. And when are madmax and Mazuffer joining SP?

;Lackadaisical
:Yeah, high level regular matches would be great too madmax, we could try and make some sort of fight-club kind of deal. mmm....

;psyko
:sp will gladly play AW when madmax and mazuffer join sp
:and to think...AW actually lost to fe lol

;madmax
:I would love to see high-level *regular* matches!

;2020
:i am in too lack...

;Van
:that sounds good to me, I'm in, when the spoon is over we can set it up.

;from garisimo
:I am down with lacksy! count me in too.

;from Lackadaisical
:Hey i was thinking, it would be cool if the 'non-spoon'(pre-spoon? old-skool?) anarchic wanderers would try and play against SP clan like there once was a game against fe. Ofcourse this would be best after the spoon to avoid confusion. Would be a pretty cool game, and if it ever happens, count me in ;)

;from 2020
:been wondering about that sp tag of yours... you must have a full complement by now... look forward to playing against you sometime... you will be a team to beat... if we ever do another tournament, I suspect SP will have a good chance of taking away the prize...

LADLE team-lists

2006-06-06T19:48:48Z

Madmax: /* anarchic wanderers */

Stick your name down on a list, or start your own team. There are a maximum of 16 teams allowed for [[THE LADLE]]. Indicate a captain.

== [[anarchic wanderers]] ==
* 2020
* madmax

== [[~*SpeederS*~]] ==
* omega
* Joda
* demon
* slash
* Oblivion
* haylin
* PsYkOCIRCLE!
* cyclotron
* error
* smz
* kenny
* speed
* freak
* leeroy
* xell
* sonar

== [[Team wOOt!]] ==

any and all welcome just stick your name down here!

* Pez

== [[Hg MeRKuRiuM]] ==

* Ady-Lucifer
* Mephisto
* Dez
* The Core
* Rain
* $ubzero
* Anton84
* Kitty
* Mr. Bougo
* Chrome

== [[the pool]] ==
For players who would like to play on the day.

* Lackadaisical

Talk:Anarchic wanderers

2006-05-13T15:37:45Z

Madmax: /* RollCall */

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== RollCall ==
'''madmax'''
:I'm up for it! OF COURSE!

== ~~''NOTICE''~~ ==

It seems like the spoon is just about extinct, so I'd like to know who would be up for a AW vs ?? unofficial final? Put your name on the rollcall if you are up for it, and ill see what lack thinks about it.

;Votes
:Van-Against

.

== Talk Page ==

;Van
:I gotta say no for me on this joda, just doesnt seem fair, you guys didnt do seed then when you played knock out round you lost. But if majority say they wanna do it, than Who am I to say no? I'll putt a vote on it but I don't know how many people actually check this anymore.

;joda.bot
:I just want to know if (most of) AW accept the 8th reentering instead of Knights of Ni. MBC seems to be ok with doing a match against us, so I'm trying to contact the remaining teams about it. (Would be nice if AW could agree on a opinion ;))

=== Non-Spoon discussion ===
;Van
:Ya I like the idea of a organised match every weekend at the same time, so if u miss one u can just catch the next one. As for the teams how bout u pick 2 captains each weekend, and they pick their teams from who shows up?(I'm assuming this is being done on Z-man's spoon server, where u have more freedom with teams.)

;joda.bot
:How about 4 matches per month (one each weekend?) ? We can either use loose teams and just meet at the same time or use fixed teams and pick the time flexible (perhaps even both, but if it too loose I guess it won't last).

;Van
: psyko: to be fair that was when Fe actually played alot, and had some really good players,they still do btw just havent seen alot of them in a while. And when are madmax and Mazuffer joining SP?

;Lackadaisical
:Yeah, high level regular matches would be great too madmax, we could try and make some sort of fight-club kind of deal. mmm....

;psyko
:sp will gladly play AW when madmax and mazuffer join sp
:and to think...AW actually lost to fe lol

;madmax
:I would love to see high-level *regular* matches!

;Van
:that sounds good to me, I'm in, when the spoon is over we can set it up.

;from garisimo
:I am down with lacksy! count me in too.

;from Lackadaisical
:Hey i was thinking, it would be cool if the 'non-spoon'(pre-spoon? old-skool?) anarchic wanderers would try and play against SP clan like there once was a game against fe. Ofcourse this would be best after the spoon to avoid confusion. Would be a pretty cool game, and if it ever happens, count me in ;)

;from 2020
:been wondering about that sp tag of yours... you must have a full complement by now... look forward to playing against you sometime... you will be a team to beat... if we ever do another tournament, I suspect SP will have a good chance of taking away the prize...

Talk:Anarchic wanderers

2006-05-13T15:37:14Z

Madmax: /* RollCall */

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== RollCall ==
:madmax
I'm up for it! OF COURSE!

== ~~''NOTICE''~~ ==

It seems like the spoon is just about extinct, so I'd like to know who would be up for a AW vs ?? unofficial final? Put your name on the rollcall if you are up for it, and ill see what lack thinks about it.

;Votes
:Van-Against

.

== Talk Page ==

;Van
:I gotta say no for me on this joda, just doesnt seem fair, you guys didnt do seed then when you played knock out round you lost. But if majority say they wanna do it, than Who am I to say no? I'll putt a vote on it but I don't know how many people actually check this anymore.

;joda.bot
:I just want to know if (most of) AW accept the 8th reentering instead of Knights of Ni. MBC seems to be ok with doing a match against us, so I'm trying to contact the remaining teams about it. (Would be nice if AW could agree on a opinion ;))

=== Non-Spoon discussion ===
;Van
:Ya I like the idea of a organised match every weekend at the same time, so if u miss one u can just catch the next one. As for the teams how bout u pick 2 captains each weekend, and they pick their teams from who shows up?(I'm assuming this is being done on Z-man's spoon server, where u have more freedom with teams.)

;joda.bot
:How about 4 matches per month (one each weekend?) ? We can either use loose teams and just meet at the same time or use fixed teams and pick the time flexible (perhaps even both, but if it too loose I guess it won't last).

;Van
: psyko: to be fair that was when Fe actually played alot, and had some really good players,they still do btw just havent seen alot of them in a while. And when are madmax and Mazuffer joining SP?

;Lackadaisical
:Yeah, high level regular matches would be great too madmax, we could try and make some sort of fight-club kind of deal. mmm....

;psyko
:sp will gladly play AW when madmax and mazuffer join sp
:and to think...AW actually lost to fe lol

;madmax
:I would love to see high-level *regular* matches!

;Van
:that sounds good to me, I'm in, when the spoon is over we can set it up.

;from garisimo
:I am down with lacksy! count me in too.

;from Lackadaisical
:Hey i was thinking, it would be cool if the 'non-spoon'(pre-spoon? old-skool?) anarchic wanderers would try and play against SP clan like there once was a game against fe. Ofcourse this would be best after the spoon to avoid confusion. Would be a pretty cool game, and if it ever happens, count me in ;)

;from 2020
:been wondering about that sp tag of yours... you must have a full complement by now... look forward to playing against you sometime... you will be a team to beat... if we ever do another tournament, I suspect SP will have a good chance of taking away the prize...

Talk:Anarchic wanderers

2006-05-13T15:37:03Z

Madmax: /* RollCall */

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== RollCall ==

I'm up for it! OF COURSE!

== ~~''NOTICE''~~ ==

It seems like the spoon is just about extinct, so I'd like to know who would be up for a AW vs ?? unofficial final? Put your name on the rollcall if you are up for it, and ill see what lack thinks about it.

;Votes
:Van-Against

.

== Talk Page ==

;Van
:I gotta say no for me on this joda, just doesnt seem fair, you guys didnt do seed then when you played knock out round you lost. But if majority say they wanna do it, than Who am I to say no? I'll putt a vote on it but I don't know how many people actually check this anymore.

;joda.bot
:I just want to know if (most of) AW accept the 8th reentering instead of Knights of Ni. MBC seems to be ok with doing a match against us, so I'm trying to contact the remaining teams about it. (Would be nice if AW could agree on a opinion ;))

=== Non-Spoon discussion ===
;Van
:Ya I like the idea of a organised match every weekend at the same time, so if u miss one u can just catch the next one. As for the teams how bout u pick 2 captains each weekend, and they pick their teams from who shows up?(I'm assuming this is being done on Z-man's spoon server, where u have more freedom with teams.)

;joda.bot
:How about 4 matches per month (one each weekend?) ? We can either use loose teams and just meet at the same time or use fixed teams and pick the time flexible (perhaps even both, but if it too loose I guess it won't last).

;Van
: psyko: to be fair that was when Fe actually played alot, and had some really good players,they still do btw just havent seen alot of them in a while. And when are madmax and Mazuffer joining SP?

;Lackadaisical
:Yeah, high level regular matches would be great too madmax, we could try and make some sort of fight-club kind of deal. mmm....

;psyko
:sp will gladly play AW when madmax and mazuffer join sp
:and to think...AW actually lost to fe lol

;madmax
:I would love to see high-level *regular* matches!

;Van
:that sounds good to me, I'm in, when the spoon is over we can set it up.

;from garisimo
:I am down with lacksy! count me in too.

;from Lackadaisical
:Hey i was thinking, it would be cool if the 'non-spoon'(pre-spoon? old-skool?) anarchic wanderers would try and play against SP clan like there once was a game against fe. Ofcourse this would be best after the spoon to avoid confusion. Would be a pretty cool game, and if it ever happens, count me in ;)

;from 2020
:been wondering about that sp tag of yours... you must have a full complement by now... look forward to playing against you sometime... you will be a team to beat... if we ever do another tournament, I suspect SP will have a good chance of taking away the prize...

Talk:Anarchic wanderers

2006-04-29T20:22:06Z

Madmax: /* Non-Spoon discussion */

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== RollCall ==
garisimo is in just post the fuckin dates & times 
2020: talk about an anti-climax...

== ~~''NOTICE''~~ ==

;[[Playoffs (The Spoon)|Playoffs]] STARTED,upcoming matches is us vs MBC or Knights of Ni

.

== Talk Page ==

;Van
:we have to wait untill the other teams play each other before we can get another match,if All goes well we have only 2 more matches left in the spoon.

;garisimo
: please be sure to post dates & times... I try to make it to practices but noone is there.

;from ghableska
:Maybe we could have a practice on one of the other fortress servers before the match? Sort out positions and that kind of stuff....

;from 2020
:Where are the details as to who plays who? Why are we playing FE? And remember they beat us in the first game... so... we have to be on our toes... we have to know who is in what position... where has all that information gone btw?

;madmax
:BTW, i'm alive and well. lol
But this has been a rough week, and no time to play tron... Guess "i'll be back" saturday.

;featherfcuk
:Sorry dude. My bad.. I was having my period so I guess I was kinda overreacting because of the hormones and the killing of the whales and Jesus and all. Sorry :Þ

;Van
:feather u are looking at th AW page, not the team page which shows who is on the spoon team.
as for practices once we get some matches planned there will probly be more activity.(hopefully)
BTW my ping has been really shitty lately so I get fed up with tron easily lately<--my excuse for not showing up.

;featherfcuk
:I think we might have to take a roll call on who will have time playing in the playoffs. I haven't seen a few of us around the past days, nobody has shown up for the last 2 practices and there's not much traffic on the talk page. Are the teammembers losing interest or is this just because there hasn't been much going on lately, Spoon-wise? We have to pull the team back together before we start in the playoffs, we need to practice and get organized. There are a few e-mails missing so I can send the strategies to everyone.

:I think we're a few players short. In the original team roster there are 10 players registered, MaZuffer and Lackadaisical are on it, but they are both now in team Something Something. TBL has, according to Vanhayes, quit Tron and Wrtlprnft is in MBC. That leaves 6 players left. 6 players!! Oblivion had joined the team, but I haven't seen him around and I don't know about anyone else to join us, unless Zop would be interested.

:We were one of the strongest teams in the competition, now we've almost been reduced to rubble. I don't care about losing the competition, but damnit, I want to play as many games as possible. The 2 seed games I was able to participate in were the best games I've ever played in this great game. I just want to experience a few more of these organized games before I'll become an irregular player.

;featherfcuk
:This came when I clicked the link:

:Bad title
:From Armagetron Advanced Wiki

:The requested page title was invalid, empty, or an incorrectly linked inter-language or inter-wiki title.

:Oh, and great turnout at the practice. Me and Armagetron ran through some pretty important moves. He also told me a funny story about a hippie, the Buddha and a large overcoat during the McArthy era, but it was one of those "you had to be there" things.

;Van
:The knock out rounds have begun, see who we can play here [[Playoffs (The Spoon)|Playoffs]]

;FF
:Ok.. too bad though, he was a fun guy. Oh, about that strategy thing, I've got a .jpg that I'd really like to put up here, but there's no way to upload a picture now, always an error. Nobody seems to worry about it so I was wondering if we could post pictures somewhere else? We have to have some strategies if we're going to survive in the finals!

;van
:TBL said he was going to quit tron, so I'm pretty sure he did.

;Van
:Ya psyko is in charge of e-mails I think, though maybe not. Psyko?

;ghableksa
Just wondering whether someone could send out emails regarding practices, matches, etc...

; garis
:i just posted the time up above for hayes

;featherfcuk
:What is the time for the CT match?

;Oblivion
Hey is it ok if i join your team i think i have enough skill ;) I can try out if you want me to i just got 2.8.1 :) I wanna go kick some ass with the wanderers! I may not be able to make the practice times but ill practice multiple hours every day! I swear!

;Oblivion
I seriously think we should get everybody together on thursday and practice the fork, if we need points really bad i think it would be good to surprise the enemy be using that move!It could come of good use! The move has a lot of potential!

;featherfcuk
:Damn that Pimp.. almost ruined the thing. Luckily it was great and we sure kicked some Metal Based Carbon's arse! Anyway... I can't upload images, there seems to be a problem with the wiki, I just get a syntax error or something. Also, does anyone know if we can get a better index, like the one The Knights of Ni have? Or maybe there's a better way to navigate this page? I just always go to recent changes and look.

;Van
:Sorry about leaving at start, got banned for 345 or so minutes because I was polling,God I hate Pimp, hope u guys kicked ass and if not good try.( but probly Kicked ass)

;John Henderson
:Thank you. It sure is an honour to be here. I was talking about this team to my wife, while shaving my head and sucking on her toenail clippings, and she thinks we will be the first Tron champions in history. I think it's a pretty safe bet.

;Van
:hmm John henderson eh? well wellcome to AW.

;PsYkO
: Hey guys, since me and Hayez0rz are admins...can you all please post your e-mail accounts and I will send mass emails for practices, matches, etc.

Van's is lamb--chop@hotmail.com /
2020@davidpinto.org /
feather - eirikurj@gmail.com /
madmax.ptz@gmail.com
ghab - ghableska@gmail.com/
garisimo@aol.com/

;SOMEONE PLEASE GET THE OTHER'S EMAILS FOR ME THANKS

; gArIsImO
May I suggest #1 to post newer messages above this one? and keep a chronological order to this??? think of looking at your emails in outlook...
What an impressive match that was with team SS...although I thought we could have definitely have had them if Hayes didn't die 5 times and Psyk didn't dissapear all of a sudden! we had them! As far as Strategies...let me know where I can post the (garisimo defensive and offensive strategies....) thanks yall those were some exciting matches again!

;featherfcuk
:I posted a strategy form.. this is just to show you how we can display strategies. 2020: if you want I can make the fork strategy for you.......... YES PLEASE heheheh

;PsYkO
Can someone putting in the GMT times put in the EST times as well? and central times if you live there? Would help a lot..BTW sorry I missed the practice today the wiki page wouldn't load and I just decided to play AoE3 lol

;From PsYkO
:COME ON GUYS!! we are only getting like 3-5 people in each of our practices =/ WE need to become more of a team..
:Please everyone put these messages into your instant chats
:MAKE A HOLE FOR ME!
:I'M MAKING A HOLE!
:If it is 3v1 which a lot of times it will be..if we make a good hole it is like 99% chance that we will win..Especially that there are some VERY good defenses that we will be playing
:Maz, lacka, and nemo are very difficult to get into but it cane be done
:However, radian on fe overlaps his wall for the first couple of minutes making it impossible to get in...These are the kind of defenses that we need to put our "morals" aside and hole 'em!!

;from 2020
:agree with psyko about getting together, messages, and using torps effectively... see suggestions below about practice... oh, and remember if this luci-type organisation goes to pot, keep 9pm gmt 15th sat in your diary free just in case... see [[FUN -- all in one day]]

;from 2020
:GMT does not mean time at greenwich, since daylight saving screws things up. So, 9pm GMT means 10pm on mainland britain from spring to autumn... not sure what this means to everyone else...

;featherfcuk
:The timeout has to have some rules. Team Something Something called timeout because PsYkO left, but nobody noticed. Timeouts should only be allowed when a key player leaves without a word or if there's a bad mixup in the lineup, like when we change teams and change back to move in the lineup but get stuck in the other team.

;Oblivion
:Hey can I be wingman next time. I hated it this time i couldnt get enough speed. I know if i could just get to there zone i could shake shake em up real good. Would you give me a chance as wingman on Thursday and see if im good enough :)

;from 2020
:you've got the wrong idea oblivion, there is no team trial, if you want to play... that's fine by me... it only starts getting tricky when we have more players than opponents... but you are right about positions... I think it may be a good idea to discuss what positions we like....... i will stick that on the mainpage...

=== Non-Spoon discussion ===
;madmax
:I would love to see high-level *regular* matches!

;Van
:that sounds good to me, I'm in, when the spoon is over we can set it up.

;from garisimo
I am down with lacksy! count me in too.

;from Lackadaisical
:Hey i was thinking, it would be cool if the 'non-spoon'(pre-spoon? old-skool?) anarchic wanderers would try and play against SP clan like there once was a game against fe. Ofcourse this would be best after the spoon to avoid confusion. Would be a pretty cool game, and if it ever happens, count me in ;)