Talk:News - Revision history

http://wiki.armagetronad.org/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3ANews Talk:News - Revision history 2026-10-16T09:20:40Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.44.2 http://wiki.armagetronad.org/index.php?title=Talk:News&diff=2358&oldid=prev Jonathan at 23:12, 11 December 2005 2005-12-11T23:12:10Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 19:12, 11 December 2005</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l69">Line 69:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 69:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* A spammer hit the page. I actually couldn't see the spam, only when I looked at the diff could I see it. It was at the bottom after a few hundred line breaks. --[[User:Nemostultae|nemostultae]] 15:26, 11 December 2005 (CST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* A spammer hit the page. I actually couldn't see the spam, only when I looked at the diff could I see it. It was at the bottom after a few hundred line breaks. --[[User:Nemostultae|nemostultae]] 15:26, 11 December 2005 (CST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">** Oops, I didn't look down (like on the other page) and only saw the &amp;quot; stuff. P.S. What's the matter with the wiki? It's soooooooo slow. --[[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] 17:12, 11 December 2005 (CST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Jonathan http://wiki.armagetronad.org/index.php?title=Talk:News&diff=2357&oldid=prev Dlh at 21:26, 11 December 2005 2005-12-11T21:26:32Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 17:26, 11 December 2005</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l67">Line 67:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 67:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What happened? --[[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] 14:52, 11 December 2005 (CST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What happened? --[[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] 14:52, 11 December 2005 (CST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* A spammer hit the page. I actually couldn't see the spam, only when I looked at the diff could I see it. It was at the bottom after a few hundred line breaks. --[[User:Nemostultae|nemostultae]] 15:26, 11 December 2005 (CST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Dlh http://wiki.armagetronad.org/index.php?title=Talk:News&diff=2355&oldid=prev Jonathan: What happened? 2005-12-11T20:52:49Z

<p>What happened?</p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 16:52, 11 December 2005</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l63">Line 63:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 63:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Don't take this the wrong way, but that's not news. :) The fundamental question that determines what's news and what isn't is "Does it matter to readers?" A forum post with this announcement would probably be more appropriate, but I don't think a post is needed until there's actual code. Then, you announce when it's implemented on the wiki and ask for testing. ;) --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 21:29, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Don't take this the wrong way, but that's not news. :) The fundamental question that determines what's news and what isn't is "Does it matter to readers?" A forum post with this announcement would probably be more appropriate, but I don't think a post is needed until there's actual code. Then, you announce when it's implemented on the wiki and ask for testing. ;) --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 21:29, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">----</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">What happened? --[[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] 14:52, 11 December 2005 (CST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Jonathan http://wiki.armagetronad.org/index.php?title=Talk:News&diff=2133&oldid=prev Lucifer at 03:29, 3 November 2005 2005-11-03T03:29:29Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 23:29, 2 November 2005</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l61">Line 61:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 61:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[User:TiTnAsS|TiTnAsS]] 21:12, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[User:TiTnAsS|TiTnAsS]] 21:12, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* Don't take this the wrong way, but that's not news. :) The fundamental question that determines what's news and what isn't is "Does it matter to readers?" A forum post with this announcement would probably be more appropriate, but I don't think a post is needed until there's actual code. Then, you announce when it's implemented on the wiki and ask for testing. ;) --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 21:29, 2 November 2005 (CST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Lucifer http://wiki.armagetronad.org/index.php?title=Talk:News&diff=2128&oldid=prev TiTnAsS at 03:12, 3 November 2005 2005-11-03T03:12:25Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 23:12, 2 November 2005</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l55">Line 55:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 55:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>--[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 18:23, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>--[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 18:23, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">----</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Tell me any of these of inaccuracies so i can fix em O_o. Ill fix those ones right now. Also, when get around to it I think ill try to write that for PHP, i'll have it include GMT, then their local timezone after, and note which is which. I don't mind fixing anything you have a problem with, but i cant unless you tell me it :-/</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[User:TiTnAsS|TiTnAsS]] 21:12, 2 November 2005 (CST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

TiTnAsS http://wiki.armagetronad.org/index.php?title=Talk:News&diff=2124&oldid=prev Lucifer at 02:42, 3 November 2005 2005-11-03T02:42:17Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 22:42, 2 November 2005</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l48">Line 48:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 48:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>****** I may have misunderstood you. I thought you wanted to know the time in the editor's time zone? (and of course the wiki should be able to display anything in any zone based on the viewer's preferences) --[[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] 20:34, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>****** I may have misunderstood you. I thought you wanted to know the time in the editor's time zone? (and of course the wiki should be able to display anything in any zone based on the viewer's preferences) --[[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] 20:34, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>******* Ah, there's several comments that aren't combined that might need to be. :) If we have to manually enter the date, then the most reasonable compromise I can think of is for the editor to put his timezone and its offset. If the wiki is going to process a macro when the item is written (the same way our signatures are processed), then it should be put in the editor's timezone with an offset. Because in that situation the wiki is just doing a more automated version of what the user does manually entering the time. However, if the wiki is going to store a time to show when the news item was made, timestamping it, then it should be timestamped with UTC. From there we can decide, should it show according to the editor's time zone or should it show according to the reader's time zone, or according to the server's timezone? This last decision should be in User:Preferences and have a reasonable default. --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 20:40, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>******* Ah, there's several comments that aren't combined that might need to be. :) If we have to manually enter the date, then the most reasonable compromise I can think of is for the editor to put his timezone and its offset. If the wiki is going to process a macro when the item is written (the same way our signatures are processed), then it should be put in the editor's timezone with an offset. Because in that situation the wiki is just doing a more automated version of what the user does manually entering the time. However, if the wiki is going to store a time to show when the news item was made, timestamping it, then it should be timestamped with UTC. From there we can decide, should it show according to the editor's time zone or should it show according to the reader's time zone, or according to the server's timezone? This last decision should be in User:Preferences and have a reasonable default. --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 20:40, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">******* PS: I don't know what the wiki does, but if it currently transforms <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> into a hardcoded time stamp, then I think that should be changed to store a UTC as well. :)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>----</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>----</div></td></tr> </table>

Lucifer http://wiki.armagetronad.org/index.php?title=Talk:News&diff=2123&oldid=prev Lucifer at 02:40, 3 November 2005 2005-11-03T02:40:31Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 22:40, 2 November 2005</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l47">Line 47:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 47:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>***** Pardon me, in the first bullet I was talking about a time that the wiki computes when the record is stored, and in the second a time that the wiki converts to UTC when the record is stored, and ''''then'''' converts again when its displayed. I'm still wondering what your point is, though. --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 20:20, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>***** Pardon me, in the first bullet I was talking about a time that the wiki computes when the record is stored, and in the second a time that the wiki converts to UTC when the record is stored, and ''''then'''' converts again when its displayed. I'm still wondering what your point is, though. --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 20:20, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>****** I may have misunderstood you. I thought you wanted to know the time in the editor's time zone? (and of course the wiki should be able to display anything in any zone based on the viewer's preferences) --[[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] 20:34, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>****** I may have misunderstood you. I thought you wanted to know the time in the editor's time zone? (and of course the wiki should be able to display anything in any zone based on the viewer's preferences) --[[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] 20:34, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">******* Ah, there's several comments that aren't combined that might need to be. :) If we have to manually enter the date, then the most reasonable compromise I can think of is for the editor to put his timezone and its offset. If the wiki is going to process a macro when the item is written (the same way our signatures are processed), then it should be put in the editor's timezone with an offset. Because in that situation the wiki is just doing a more automated version of what the user does manually entering the time. However, if the wiki is going to store a time to show when the news item was made, timestamping it, then it should be timestamped with UTC. From there we can decide, should it show according to the editor's time zone or should it show according to the reader's time zone, or according to the server's timezone? This last decision should be in User:Preferences and have a reasonable default. --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 20:40, 2 November 2005 (CST)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>----</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>----</div></td></tr> </table>

Lucifer http://wiki.armagetronad.org/index.php?title=Talk:News&diff=2122&oldid=prev Jonathan at 02:34, 3 November 2005 2005-11-03T02:34:04Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 22:34, 2 November 2005</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l46">Line 46:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 46:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>***** And your point is _____? There's no contradiction. In the first bullet I was talking about a time that the user manually enters, in the more recent bullet I was talking about a time that the wiki stores and then computes for display. Since I was talking about two different things, there's no contradiction. --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 20:18, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>***** And your point is _____? There's no contradiction. In the first bullet I was talking about a time that the user manually enters, in the more recent bullet I was talking about a time that the wiki stores and then computes for display. Since I was talking about two different things, there's no contradiction. --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 20:18, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>***** Pardon me, in the first bullet I was talking about a time that the wiki computes when the record is stored, and in the second a time that the wiki converts to UTC when the record is stored, and ''''then'''' converts again when its displayed. I'm still wondering what your point is, though. --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 20:20, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>***** Pardon me, in the first bullet I was talking about a time that the wiki computes when the record is stored, and in the second a time that the wiki converts to UTC when the record is stored, and ''''then'''' converts again when its displayed. I'm still wondering what your point is, though. --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 20:20, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">****** I may have misunderstood you. I thought you wanted to know the time in the editor's time zone? (and of course the wiki should be able to display anything in any zone based on the viewer's preferences) --[[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] 20:34, 2 November 2005 (CST)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>----</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>----</div></td></tr> </table>

Jonathan http://wiki.armagetronad.org/index.php?title=Talk:News&diff=2119&oldid=prev Lucifer at 02:20, 3 November 2005 2005-11-03T02:20:38Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 22:20, 2 November 2005</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l45">Line 45:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 45:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**** You contradicted the last sentence at the first bullet level. --[[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] 20:01, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**** You contradicted the last sentence at the first bullet level. --[[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] 20:01, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>***** And your point is _____? There's no contradiction. In the first bullet I was talking about a time that the user manually enters, in the more recent bullet I was talking about a time that the wiki stores and then computes for display. Since I was talking about two different things, there's no contradiction. --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 20:18, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>***** And your point is _____? There's no contradiction. In the first bullet I was talking about a time that the user manually enters, in the more recent bullet I was talking about a time that the wiki stores and then computes for display. Since I was talking about two different things, there's no contradiction. --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 20:18, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">***** Pardon me, in the first bullet I was talking about a time that the wiki computes when the record is stored, and in the second a time that the wiki converts to UTC when the record is stored, and ''''then'''' converts again when its displayed. I'm still wondering what your point is, though. --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 20:20, 2 November 2005 (CST)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>----</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>----</div></td></tr> </table>

Lucifer http://wiki.armagetronad.org/index.php?title=Talk:News&diff=2118&oldid=prev Lucifer at 02:18, 3 November 2005 2005-11-03T02:18:57Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 22:18, 2 November 2005</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l44">Line 44:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 44:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** Better to make it a more general case change, have it store in UTC and then change it to the user's preference. --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 19:33, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** Better to make it a more general case change, have it store in UTC and then change it to the user's preference. --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 19:33, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**** You contradicted the last sentence at the first bullet level. --[[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] 20:01, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**** You contradicted the last sentence at the first bullet level. --[[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] 20:01, 2 November 2005 (CST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">***** And your point is _____? There's no contradiction. In the first bullet I was talking about a time that the user manually enters, in the more recent bullet I was talking about a time that the wiki stores and then computes for display. Since I was talking about two different things, there's no contradiction. --[[User:Lucifer|Lucifer]] 20:18, 2 November 2005 (CST)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>----</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>----</div></td></tr> </table>

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