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Durka: /* talk */

2009-07-07T17:01:33Z

talk

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	--[[User:2020\|2020]] 04:48, 7 July 2009 (PDT)		--[[User:2020\|2020]] 04:48, 7 July 2009 (PDT)

			I think you misunderstood my intentions of editing the blurb in the first place. I totally agree with everything you said and I totally agree that there really are stages for the Ladle, but the ones that used to be on the blurb just didn't make sense and all they did was cause confusion. My ultimate goal was to rewrite the stages so they made sense, but seeing as I only edited the blurb just before the Ladle, it was only a quick-fix, which I hope to come back to later so as to polish it up and have them (the stages) actually coordinate with what's really going on. --[[User:Durka\|Durka]] 10:01, 7 July 2009 (PDT)

2020: /* talk */

2009-07-07T11:49:53Z

talk

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	I'm giving up with bullets since this is an important issue. Please consider it.		I'm giving up with bullets since this is an important issue. Please consider it.

	The notion of the stages was based on time-parameters. The first stage being preparation before the day. The second stage being the preparation on the day. And the third stage being the actual experience of the game. This is quite simple since it is all related to timing. Your restructuring has validity, but there are inconsistencies which could be ironed out. Your blurb mention team captain lists second when that's what needs to be completed first, and the brackets are emphasised first even though we don't know how many teams are actually going to appear. I would also only put one link in the sentence, with optional links provided in the menu bar of the blurb.		The notion of the stages was based on time-parameters. The first stage being preparation before the day. The second stage being the preparation on the day. And the third stage being the actual experience of the game. This is quite simple since it is all related to timing. Originally, I had the current stage in bold so that it would be clear what stage we were at. Your restructuring has validity, but there are inconsistencies which could be ironed out. Your blurb mention team captain lists second when that's what needs to be completed first, and the brackets are emphasised first even though we don't know how many teams are actually going to appear. I would also only put one link in the sentence, with optional links provided in the menu bar of the blurb.

	How would you like to proceed? We have had enough experience, and you more than I regarding the actual running of the day, and the guideline page could do with a proper rewriting so that it is consistent with the blurb.		How would you like to proceed? We have had enough experience, and you more than I regarding the actual running of the day, and the guideline page could do with a proper rewriting so that it is consistent with the blurb.

	--[[User:2020\|2020]] 04:48, 7 July 2009 (PDT)		--[[User:2020\|2020]] 04:48, 7 July 2009 (PDT)

2020 at 11:48, 7 July 2009

2009-07-07T11:48:18Z

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	The "Stages" really were obsolete. Stage 1 talked about Team Captains decided on the brackets and their respective teams' position in the bracket. Well, the brackets are made randomly, so Stage 1 doesn't even apply anymore. Stage 2 talked about Team Captains meeting in IRC at 7pm GMT to discuss last minute changes and/or adjustments. Well first of all that time is wrong since the first round of matches started at 6pm GMT. Also, there's no need for the captains to meet since everything has been worked out beforehand by either Concord or myself. Stage 3 talked about playing the games and having fun. Well that's a given, no? All the "Stages" really did were confuse newer players about which rules are correct, especially since they would see the "Stages" at the top of every Ladle wiki page. --[[User:Durka\|Durka]] 16:23, 5 July 2009 (PDT)		The "Stages" really were obsolete. Stage 1 talked about Team Captains decided on the brackets and their respective teams' position in the bracket. Well, the brackets are made randomly, so Stage 1 doesn't even apply anymore. Stage 2 talked about Team Captains meeting in IRC at 7pm GMT to discuss last minute changes and/or adjustments. Well first of all that time is wrong since the first round of matches started at 6pm GMT. Also, there's no need for the captains to meet since everything has been worked out beforehand by either Concord or myself. Stage 3 talked about playing the games and having fun. Well that's a given, no? All the "Stages" really did were confuse newer players about which rules are correct, especially since they would see the "Stages" at the top of every Ladle wiki page. --[[User:Durka\|Durka]] 16:23, 5 July 2009 (PDT)

			Ok. There are definitely stages to this.
			*Stage 1, therefore, is to stick names down on the team list.
			*The transition to stage two, is the random allocation of teams to servers.
			*It is wise to get captains to meet up, and you are right about the start time, since it has to be changed to account for the number of rounds preceding the final. at 9pm gmt. Originally, this meeting was to follow along the lines of self-selection of teams in the brackets. It also allows for certain contingent factors to be dealt with. And for certain individuals to emerge as better organisers than others. Which led to people who are naturally better at getting things run smoothly, that is you and concs most recently. In the same we leaders emerge in teams, so leaders emerge amoungst captains. The tendency is for strong-willed individuals to take control, to form teams and then dictate what should happen and how. Purely a willful, and often a ego-based, system. This leads to a certain hierarchical system which persists in time.
			*The danger of eradicating stage 2 and leaving it to the few exceptional organisers is that this becomes a weak point. What if you are ill? And the community has relied on you guys to do all the extra work? How can a new captain learn to take more responsibility, to earn respect, and thus fulfil a role like you or concs? And, how does this scale up to 1000000 players? And please do not answer this with a technical solution. One of the principles of this self-organising system is that we develop trust amoungst team-captains just in the same we develop trust of our team mates on the grid. Even with 1m players, the challenge is to ensure that it relies on people, on our self-discipline and trust and mutual alignment.

			I'm giving up with bullets since this is an important issue. Please consider it.

			The notion of the stages was based on time-parameters. The first stage being preparation before the day. The second stage being the preparation on the day. And the third stage being the actual experience of the game. This is quite simple since it is all related to timing. Your restructuring has validity, but there are inconsistencies which could be ironed out. Your blurb mention team captain lists second when that's what needs to be completed first, and the brackets are emphasised first even though we don't know how many teams are actually going to appear. I would also only put one link in the sentence, with optional links provided in the menu bar of the blurb.

			How would you like to proceed? We have had enough experience, and you more than I regarding the actual running of the day, and the guideline page could do with a proper rewriting so that it is consistent with the blurb.

			--[[User:2020\|2020]] 04:48, 7 July 2009 (PDT)

Durka: stages

2009-07-05T23:23:41Z

stages

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	[[Thoughts on points]]... really tricky problem which is being discussed on the forums in may 2007... i wanted to write a post but there are so many factors... the chat level afforded by forums doesn't penetrate deeply enough... probably going to get stuffed trying to chat about this, but... here's my attempt... contributions obviously wlecomed... let's put this wiki and the mode of discussion it suggests to the test!		[[Thoughts on points]]... really tricky problem which is being discussed on the forums in may 2007... i wanted to write a post but there are so many factors... the chat level afforded by forums doesn't penetrate deeply enough... probably going to get stuffed trying to chat about this, but... here's my attempt... contributions obviously wlecomed... let's put this wiki and the mode of discussion it suggests to the test!

			== talk ==

			The "Stages" really were obsolete. Stage 1 talked about Team Captains decided on the brackets and their respective teams' position in the bracket. Well, the brackets are made randomly, so Stage 1 doesn't even apply anymore. Stage 2 talked about Team Captains meeting in IRC at 7pm GMT to discuss last minute changes and/or adjustments. Well first of all that time is wrong since the first round of matches started at 6pm GMT. Also, there's no need for the captains to meet since everything has been worked out beforehand by either Concord or myself. Stage 3 talked about playing the games and having fun. Well that's a given, no? All the "Stages" really did were confuse newer players about which rules are correct, especially since they would see the "Stages" at the top of every Ladle wiki page. --[[User:Durka\|Durka]] 16:23, 5 July 2009 (PDT)

2020: /* other ideas */

2007-05-20T14:55:45Z

other ideas

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	== other ideas ==		== other ideas ==
	[[Thoughts on ping]]... got completely bamboozled...		[[Thoughts on ping]]... got completely bamboozled...

			[[Thoughts on points]]... really tricky problem which is being discussed on the forums in may 2007... i wanted to write a post but there are so many factors... the chat level afforded by forums doesn't penetrate deeply enough... probably going to get stuffed trying to chat about this, but... here's my attempt... contributions obviously wlecomed... let's put this wiki and the mode of discussion it suggests to the test!

Lucifer: /* school competition */

2006-11-09T02:31:46Z

school competition

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	* I'll talk to my math teacher. :) --[[User:Lucifer\|Lucifer]] 05:12, 8 November 2006 (CST)		* I'll talk to my math teacher. :) --[[User:Lucifer\|Lucifer]] 05:12, 8 November 2006 (CST)
	* Ah... so... you've found me out eh? that didn't take long, did it? --07:39, 8 November 2006 (CST)		* Ah... so... you've found me out eh? that didn't take long, did it? --07:39, 8 November 2006 (CST)
			** I do watch the recent changes page, even if I don't make many changes. --[[User:Lucifer\|Lucifer]] 20:31, 8 November 2006 (CST)

	== kings of the grid ==		== kings of the grid ==

2020 at 13:39, 8 November 2006

2006-11-08T13:39:04Z

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	* I'll talk to my math teacher. :) --[[User:Lucifer\|Lucifer]] 05:12, 8 November 2006 (CST)		* I'll talk to my math teacher. :) --[[User:Lucifer\|Lucifer]] 05:12, 8 November 2006 (CST)
			* Ah... so... you've found me out eh? that didn't take long, did it? --07:39, 8 November 2006 (CST)

	== kings of the grid ==		== kings of the grid ==

Lucifer: /* school competition */

2006-11-08T11:12:33Z

school competition

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	Hm... what's it called? [[Tron School]]... armagetroned hehe... um...		Hm... what's it called? [[Tron School]]... armagetroned hehe... um...

			* I'll talk to my math teacher. :) --[[User:Lucifer\|Lucifer]] 05:12, 8 November 2006 (CST)

	== kings of the grid ==		== kings of the grid ==
	Going to start another thing, to see if it works. Runs along lines that gar originally suggested. Basketball, winning team stays on. Van called it, King of the Hill. So, we have [[Kings of the Grid]].		Going to start another thing, to see if it works. Runs along lines that gar originally suggested. Basketball, winning team stays on. Van called it, King of the Hill. So, we have [[Kings of the Grid]].

2020 at 10:01, 8 November 2006

2006-11-08T10:01:43Z

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-[[Thoughts on ping]]...
+Ok, is it possible to run a competition for schools? Out of a standard school of 1,000 students, I suspect it is possible to create a team or two supported by the maths department. There are I suspect, five stages:
 == kings of the grid ==
 Going to start another thing, to see if it works. Runs along lines that gar originally suggested. Basketball, winning team stays on. Van called it, King of the Hill. So, we have [[Kings of the Grid]].
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 The game is not just the one on the grid. I will leave that for one_tm.

2020 at 19:36, 7 October 2006

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	~~== Chat Room ==~~

	~~I think we've decided about the chatroom, haven't we?--~~[[~~User:2020\|2020~~]] ~~14:14, 26 September 2006 (CDT)~~		[[Thoughts on ping]]...

	== kings of the grid ==		== kings of the grid ==